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llaneilian
10-13-2006, 07:05 AM
Does anybody out there happen to know what the optimum corner speeds are for the various marques of Spitfire &/or the P-51?

llaneilian
10-13-2006, 07:05 AM
Does anybody out there happen to know what the optimum corner speeds are for the various marques of Spitfire &/or the P-51?

Scen
10-13-2006, 12:17 PM
You won't have to worry too much about corner speed in all of the Spitfires... You can basically put it in your lap and recover any loss of E because of it's amazing excelleration. Also you can put some climb into it and leave most guys in the dust.

Try it you'll like it

VF2_Sarge
10-13-2006, 03:12 PM
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VW-IceFire
10-13-2006, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scen:
You won't have to worry too much about corner speed in all of the Spitfires... You can basically put it in your lap and recover any loss of E because of it's amazing excelleration. Also you can put some climb into it and leave most guys in the dust.

Try it you'll like it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Disagree. A good 109 pilot can use that lack of knowledge against you by turning at speeds where the Spitfire is less able.

My suggestion is to keep your speed around 250mph or about 325kph for best turning speeds in an engagement. When you start to loose speed from there most 109 versions reach or exceed parity with the Spitfire as speed drops. Particularly in stability...you have to fight the Spitfire (particularly the IX and VIII models) when you drop speed like that meanwhile the 109 is becoming more stable.

If you loose that advantage in a turn...or if the fight becomes more vertical the Spitfire IX tends to be in a less advantageous spot versus the 109G-6 Late or 109G-6 A/S.

You can get away with a little bit more on the Spitfire V models but only just a bit and in those time periods the 109F-4 and G-2 models tend to have a significant advantage in power.

The late boosted Spitfire IX +25lb model is less encumbered by these disadvantages due to an increase in power outside of the critical supercharger stages. This Spitfire has the most amount of options of the whole line...even the XIV (not in game) in terms of manuevering does not have as many advantages as the high boost IX model.

In all cases you should be leveraging the Spitfires excellent turn at medium speed and responsive controls against your opponents. Although acceleration on the Spitfire is good, energy retention through manuevers is also quite good. This can be dangerous if you overspeed as the ailerons get quite heavy but keep it under control and you can usually win the middle ground against any German fighter. The Luftwaffe pilots will be smart to fight you at the extremes either at slow or very high speeds, in high speed rolls, and at altitudes outside of your full throttle heights.

My preference in fighting against Spitfires is the FW190 as the style of fighting is completely different. The 109G-6 models have to play the Spitfire IX's game while the FW190 plays against the Spitfires game by staying fast, high, and making sweeping runs against the Spitfire and using high angle deflection shots. A well flown Spitfire is probably the most dangerous fighter you can meet in any other fighter...however...that tends to breed over confidence particularly in team situations.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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llaneilian
10-14-2006, 12:35 PM
Icefire,
Although grateful to others for their input, I tend agree with you. If corner speed wasn't important, why is such great emphasis placed on it by the "guru's". Thank's for the info.

While I'm here can I just tell you how much I enjoyed playing your "Lightning strikes" campaign & your AEP & RAF mission packs. Keep up the good work!!

Regards, Llaneilian

VW-IceFire
10-16-2006, 05:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by llaneilian:
Icefire,
Although grateful to others for their input, I tend agree with you. If corner speed wasn't important, why is such great emphasis placed on it by the "guru's". Thank's for the info.

While I'm here can I just tell you how much I enjoyed playing your "Lightning strikes" campaign & your AEP & RAF mission packs. Keep up the good work!!

Regards, Llaneilian </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Lots of people write the Spitfire off as a "newbie" plane and are done with it...no appreciaton for the finer points of air combat for or against the plane (thus the overinflated opinion everyone has about it).

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VFA-195 Snacky
10-16-2006, 06:24 PM
I only appreciate the fact that it takes little to no skill to be successfull in this plane online. It is seriousely overmodeled while other planes that do deserve attention by Oleg and crew are tossed to the side like garbage. Namely planes like the P51 which is a travesty and no matter how much data is thrown at the developers to fix them because of foreign bias they will never be fixed tot he level they deserve to be. So fly your Spits, your LA7s, your out of this world ME109s and enjoy.

The American aircraft will never get the attention they deserve because this is a Russian developer. Unfortunantly this is the only WWII sim out there worth anything so you either go along with the flow or you fly alone in some other sim. I'll keep flying the Mustang, The jug, etc and I'll keep being picked off by Tie Fighter Spits. Unless oleg suddenly has a change of heart this will not change.

To be honest it has nothing to do with the Spits at all. Oleg could not change a thing, but at least give us poor yanks a chance and fix our planes so we can compete. The P51 was right up there with the Spit in performance, but you dont see a whole lot of Mustangs flying around online do ya? Of course not. The information is out there to make them accurate. There is no excuse why they fly this poorly. Makes me sick!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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dusta01
10-16-2006, 07:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
I only appreciate the fact that it takes little to no skill to be successfull in this plane online. It is seriousely overmodeled while other planes that do deserve attention by Oleg and crew are tossed to the side like garbage. Namely planes like the P51 which is a travesty and no matter how much data is thrown at the developers to fix them because of foreign bias they will never be fixed tot he level they deserve to be. So fly your Spits, your LA7s, your out of this world ME109s and enjoy.

The American aircraft will never get the attention they deserve because this is a Russian developer. Unfortunantly this is the only WWII sim out there worth anything so you either go along with the flow or you fly alone in some other sim. I'll keep flying the Mustang, The jug, etc and I'll keep being picked off by Tie Fighter Spits. Unless oleg suddenly has a change of heart this will not change.

To be honest it has nothing to do with the Spits at all. Oleg could not change a thing, but at least give us poor yanks a chance and fix our planes so we can compete. The P51 was right up there with the Spit in performance, but you dont see a whole lot of Mustangs flying around online do ya? Of course not. The information is out there to make them accurate. There is no excuse why they fly this poorly. Makes me sick! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


wah wah wah

Seriously i suggest you learn to fly the Stang a bit better then . I don't find any issues with it online . As long as you know the limitations in the game , no problems in nailing unsuspecting blue pilots. P47 , well that should only be flown in pairs and if done that way and flown high it's devastating. Don't blame the tools, blame the monkey behind them.



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