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gothsword
04-08-2005, 07:43 AM
Just wanted to get peoples opinions. During WW2 who did you think had the best Torpedo Bomber in the World. My personal Choice goes to the Japanese B5N2 Kate. The major reason being the ability to carry the Long Lance Torpedo.

gothsword
04-08-2005, 07:43 AM
Just wanted to get peoples opinions. During WW2 who did you think had the best Torpedo Bomber in the World. My personal Choice goes to the Japanese B5N2 Kate. The major reason being the ability to carry the Long Lance Torpedo.

Deedsundone
04-08-2005, 10:26 AM
Swordfish.

han freak solo
04-08-2005, 10:44 AM
TBF/TBM Avenger

Why? I don't know any better. Educate me.

jeroen_R90S
04-08-2005, 11:50 AM
Savoia-Marchetti SM79. Why? It looks cool and from what I've heard it was pretty effective as well.

But then again, so were He 111 and Ju 88, but neither has the SM79 look. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jeroen

p1ngu666
04-08-2005, 12:09 PM
swordfish for the allies
and barracuda, for scary looks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

japanease thing for axis, and the italian trimotor is cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Hristos
04-08-2005, 12:18 PM
Fw 190.

Even Soviets used captured Fw 190D-9 with torpedo until 1948.

PE_Mosor
04-08-2005, 12:31 PM
Long Lance (61 cm Type 93) was ship launched torpedo. At 2700 kg total weight it was heavier than empty Kate!
Kate used 45 cm Type 91 torpedos.

tigertalon
04-08-2005, 01:01 PM
C6N "Saiun" (Myrt) by far.

<UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI>Could outrun Hellcats. (624kph at 6.000 m) - Japanese equivalent to british mossie
<LI>Range of 3000 miles
<LI>Even turned into a fighter!!! by installing twin 20mm as schraege musik!
[/list]

C6N "Saiun" was the last aircraft shot down in WW2. Happened at 5:40 a.m. on August 15, 1945, five minutes before the hostilities ended.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/images/nakajima_myrt.jpg

Tooz_69GIAP
04-08-2005, 01:24 PM
Fairey Swordfish is the most successful torpedo bomber of WWII.

And it's purdy!!

JG53Frankyboy
04-08-2005, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tigertalon:
C6N "Saiun" (Myrt) by far.

+ Could outrun Hellcats. (624kph at 6.000 m) - Japanese equivalent to british mossie
+ Range of 3000 miles
+ Even turned into a fighter!!! by installing twin 20mm as schraege musik!


C6N "Saiun" was the last aircraft shot down in WW2. Happened at 5:40 a.m. on August 15, 1945, five minutes before the hostilities ended.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/images/nakajima_myrt.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sry, but thats a Recon plane. not able to carry Torpedos. the JN used the "C" designation for Recons.
and the B6N2 was much slower.

most succesfull Torpedoplanes , in use of torpedos, were most propably the:
Swordfish, SM79 and B5N2

JG53Frankyboy
04-08-2005, 01:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristos:
Fw 190.

Even Soviets used captured Fw 190D-9 with torpedo until 1948. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

good joke. NO Fw190 EVER used Torpedos in combat ore active duty . the LW was still testing when the war ended.

LeadSpitter_
04-08-2005, 02:08 PM
Savoia-Marchetti SM79

telsono
04-08-2005, 02:35 PM
Multi-engine aircraft:

SM-79 - Great record, had capacity for two torpedoes but operationally used a single one (two caused a drastic reduction in aircraft response). Buscaglia was the top torpedo pilot. Odd story about him, at the time of the Italian Armistice with the Allies he was shot down near Sardinia. The German allied ANR named a sqadron after him since he was presumed dead. This was a common practice in the Italian air force to name a squadron after a fallen hero. They had to rename the squadron as he turned up alive in an American hospital. Later he flew with the Italian Co-Belligerent Air Force, dieing after a fatal ground looping with a Martin Baltimore.

Single-engine aircraft:

Swordfish - Most successful, and very versatile (day and night, land and sea based). Read Charles Lamb's "To War in a Stringbag" great book. 190's and 109's had a problem shooting at them as they were too slow!

Beaufort-RAF
04-08-2005, 04:54 PM
Ahem.

Von_Zero
04-08-2005, 04:59 PM
the thingy in Deedsundone's sig. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Seriously, i'd bet on the Avenger.

SnapdLikeAMutha
04-08-2005, 05:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by telsono:
Swordfish - Most successful, and very versatile (day and night, land and sea based). Read Charles Lamb's "To War in a Stringbag" great book. 190's and 109's had a problem shooting at them as they were too slow! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's also a story doing the rounds that one of the reasons Bismark was unable to defend herself against the Swordfish of Ark Royal and victorious, was that the predictor on her AAA fire control system did not have a setting for firing on aircraft flying below 100kts...the incoming Stringbags were doing about 85kts...

tigertalon
04-09-2005, 04:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
sry, but thats a Recon plane. not able to carry Torpedos. the JN used the "C" designation for Recons.
and the B6N2 was much slower.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Frakyboy,

Are you sure on that? I have seen many sources, claiming that it can carry torpedo... Yes, C means reconnaissance, but it evolved from B6N "Tenzan" (Jill), basically fitted with stronger engine, and smaller wings (so maybe it retained the ability to carry torpedoes).

Looking at the Jane's fighting aircraft of world war 2 it says:
...two/three seat long-range reconnaissance monoplane. May also be used as a torpedo carrier...
and then
Crew of three for reconnaissance duties, or two when used as torpedo-carrier
further on
When carried, torpedo is mounted externally beneath fuselage and to starboard of centerline...

However, I cannot find any pictures of C6N with torpedo...

Ah, and yes, upper data, 624kph speed, 3000km range, are for recon version... My mistake.

JG53Frankyboy
04-09-2005, 04:53 AM
well, the torpedo carring C6N1-B was ony a project.
and as you already said, it would have for sure not the same performance as the plain reconnaisance variant.

jugent
04-09-2005, 06:27 AM
IL2 it can take lots of punishment and the reargunners are more deadly than other deadly reargunners.

Art-J
04-09-2005, 06:59 AM
I wouldn't count C6N as a torp plane, that would be unfair http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. It was designed strictly as a reconnaisance crate, and the later designed -B torp version never reached prototype status. It was a quite pretty plane, though...

P.S. - as someone mentioned, "Kate" couldn't carry Type 93 aka "Long Lance" torpedo, neither did any other plane. The heaviest and strongest Japanese torpedo designed for airborne operations was Type04 450mm one. Weight 985kg (304kg warhead), 42 knots, about 1 mile range. Entered service in autumn 1944, too late to have any influence on the final war outcome.

SkyChimp
04-09-2005, 07:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tigertalon:
C6N "Saiun" (Myrt) by far.

+ Could outrun Hellcats. (624kph at 6.000 m) - Japanese equivalent to british mossie
+ Range of 3000 miles
+ Even turned into a fighter!!! by installing twin 20mm as schraege musik!


C6N "Saiun" was the last aircraft shot down in WW2. Happened at 5:40 a.m. on August 15, 1945, five minutes before the hostilities ended.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/images/nakajima_myrt.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sry, but thats a Recon plane. not able to carry Torpedos. the JN used the "C" designation for Recons.
and the B6N2 was much slower.

most succesfull Torpedoplanes , in use of torpedos, were most propably the:
Swordfish, SM79 and B5N2 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He probably meant B6N, which was a torpedo plane, and appears tohave had very good performance:
http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/image/foto/15-7-2003-8-50-nakajima_b6n1_tenzan_jills_off_752nd_kokutai_on_tr aining_mission.jpeg
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/cl-pln/images2/FR045-05.jpg

Art-J
04-09-2005, 07:37 AM
Excuse me, SkyChimp, but the machine on this lovely drawing You posted seems to be B7N Ryusei ("Grace") attack plane. Now THAT was one a fast & crazy multirole beast! Could deliver not only torpedo, but a decent bomb load as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

SkyChimp
04-09-2005, 07:43 AM
Yes, I know it's B7N. This freaking forum is F*CKED UP and my post is all screwed up. It's missing half of what I typed. On top of that, I just started a thread with a lkink to the site where I got that picture and that's missing as well!!!!

FIX THE FORUMS!!!!

SkyChimp
04-09-2005, 07:51 AM
Anyway, I picked the B7N as my Japanese pic since it had better performance than the B6N. But it surely didn't contribute much to the war.

A lovely painting of the B6N
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/cl-pln6/images8/Tenzan1.jpg

p1ngu666
04-09-2005, 09:19 AM
nice pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif