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stalkervision
07-15-2007, 03:09 PM
Just wondering if anyone here has tried this yet on someone's rudder and tail?

especially on a on-line foe? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
07-15-2007, 03:09 PM
Just wondering if anyone here has tried this yet on someone's rudder and tail?

especially on a on-line foe? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VW-IceFire
07-15-2007, 03:11 PM
Its happened to me on rare occasion where I accidentally cut the guys tail off when I pulled up too late. I think I was flying a D-9 at the time...chewed his tail section off and toasted my engine.

stalkervision
07-15-2007, 03:18 PM
Seeing the episode of dogfights about the german's using their planes "Russian style" to knock down aircraft gave me the idea..

It would be a totally cool on-line mission with B-17's, P-51's and German "assault aircraft" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

slo_1_2_3
07-15-2007, 03:21 PM
Its harder than you would think, you try getting past the defensive guns of 30 b-17 and hit a moving object going 300 mph. Kinda difficult, I think the germans in ww2 thought it would be easier than it was ,but we know how successful that wasn't

stalkervision
07-15-2007, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slo_1_2_3:
Its harder than you would think, you try getting past the defensive guns of 30 b-17 and hit a moving object going 300 mph. Kinda difficult, I think the germans in ww2 thought it would be easier than it was ,but we know how successful that wasn't </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your certainly right about that. It would be quite the challange!

KG66_Gog
07-15-2007, 04:37 PM
Just fly bombers and only bombers for a week on Hyperlobby, my guess is that you will be rammed by enemy fighters at least 6 times.

leitmotiv
07-15-2007, 04:59 PM
In my I-16 heyday I, of course, had to try classic taran tactics. Good luck, mate. Easier said than done. First of all you have to survive those ultra-murderous Maddox gunnners. Then you have to be clever in your tailplane chopping. The I-16 pilots were not expending their airplanes, they were trying to whack up a German bomber with their props and stagger home. Mainly I ended up crashing into the Ju 88s.

For untrained pilots those Bf 109 crashers in the "Dogfights" episode were incredible. Furthermore, what luck to have survived---especially the crazed pilot who managed the double play on the lead ships---good grief---he should have got the Knight's Cross for that maneuver---what precision! I could not have virtually made such a perfect cleave into the lead ship in a million years. The guy was brilliant.

Bearcat99
07-15-2007, 06:48 PM
It happened to me once on a 109 in a 51.. this was a while back too.. it was quite by accident. I have tried to duplicate it but everytime I wound up with no engine..

SeaFireLIV
07-15-2007, 06:55 PM
The closest I came to that was when attacking a bunch of bombers in my I16. I ran out of ammo, but still wanted to take down another bomber. I flew right up to a bomber, but was too scared to try and chop it with the prop, so flew below and to its starboard side.

Then I came up by his wing and carefully slapped the tip of his starboard wing with mine. That part of his wing broke off and so did mine and I successfully bailed with an extra bomber down!

I was well pleased with that one and I`ve yet to find a flight sim with a collision detection that good!

leitmotiv
07-15-2007, 07:11 PM
Well done Seafire and well done Oleg!

Korolov1986
07-15-2007, 07:19 PM
Happens often to me with one of the P-38's engines.

tigertalon
07-15-2007, 07:43 PM
It was possible to use your prop and cut enemies tail surfaces without damaging your engine/prop in initial IL2 Sturmovik. Why they changed it, I have no idea. Props in general are way, way tougher than control surfaces nevertheless.

KrasniyYastreb
07-15-2007, 09:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b03emFNEZ8

Not true btw, In original Il-2 your engine is damaged as a result.

BADroadrunner
07-15-2007, 09:22 PM
closest i came once was i was flyin in a spit and i found a formation of 2 betties that just happen to be trying to bomb my base. i didnt like that idea, and i noticed they were crazy close. so i flew in fast from their 9'o clock with guns blazen and i pulled up perfectlu over the 2, so i thought.
as i pass over i looked back and i seen the planes both blow up and i got 2 kills. so i typed into the chat what happen, because i know i didnt kill either of u on the attack. the pilot told me that when i passed over i clipped his wing and it made him go into the other bomber.

i was like, HA!, i knew the spit was good for something!!!

but its werid i had no damage at all execpt bullet holes.

FritzGryphon
07-15-2007, 11:08 PM
In a VEF mission I shot down 7 Pe-2s, 3 of which by ramming the right vertical stabilizer with my FW-190A4.

It used to be really easy to pull off in any durable plane, so long as you didn't collide with a hard part of the target. The easiest way was to shave the top of the vertical stab, and the AI would bail out.

If it's harder now, I'm glad they changed it. Just for kicks I would try this offline, and could easily knock down 6 or more planes by ramming alone. Just chop their tails off like nothing and fly merrily along.

Whenever I've heard of ramming attacks in real life, the ramming plane is always severely damaged or destroyed outright.

FE_pilot
07-16-2007, 12:10 AM
After watching dogfights tonight, i had an idea to make these 2 movies:

Fw190A8 vs. B24:

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s45/emiljan-1991/?ac...current=e4d15453.flv (http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s45/emiljan-1991/?action=view&current=e4d15453.flv)

Bf-109 vs. B24

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s45/emiljan-1991/?ac...current=8d38ea02.flv (http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s45/emiljan-1991/?action=view&current=8d38ea02.flv)

Enjoy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Hydra454
07-16-2007, 12:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FE_pilot:
After watching dogfights tonight, i had an idea to make these... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rock on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

ImMoreBetter
07-16-2007, 12:17 AM
I buzzed off my own tail flying just a little too close to a teammate.

I've only done it intentionally off-line. Chopping up b-17s.

DKoor
07-16-2007, 02:28 AM
I think it's possible only vs fighters or assault ac (which have only light defensive armament).
On monsters such is B-17 this approach will fail.
Bomber gunners will turn you into a nice aluminum rain if you attempt slow controlled approach in order to "chew off" teh bombers tail.....gunner basically cannot miss http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I did it several times, only once or twice intentionally......it isn't worth the risk IMO because in the best case scenario you'll walk from that accident with dead engine.
If you must ram the bomber it's better to do it with wheels lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

na85
07-16-2007, 09:24 AM
I've managed to take out a bomber's engine by sacrificing my rudder and tail fin (i-16). He ended up crashing, I managed to limp home (albeit yawing wildly all over the place)

Ernst_Rohr
07-16-2007, 09:42 AM
Only by mistake!

I did this the other night in a P-51. I bounced a flight of Betties, shot up one and ducked under him.

Did the same thing to the guy right in front of him and completely misjudged the distance I had, I took off his left wing at the midsection and lost my rudder in the process!

M_Gunz
07-16-2007, 10:01 AM
Downing bomber by cutting tail with prop was done over London during the BoB in 1940.
But I forget who and if he fly Spitfire or Hurricane. The place his plane hit is marked with a
plaque though.

3.JG51_BigBear
07-16-2007, 10:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Downing bomber by cutting tail with prop was done over London during the BoB in 1940.
But I forget who and if he fly Spitfire or Hurricane. The place his plane hit is marked with a
plaque though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Was that the Hurricane pilot who rammed the German bomber to prevent it from getting to Buckingham Palace?

WOLFMondo
07-16-2007, 10:27 AM
If I'm outta ammo and over freindly territory and have enough height to bail, theres only one thing for it...ramming speed!