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SATAN_23rd
11-05-2005, 01:45 PM
is it out yet, and if so what is the general consensus on its performance?

Thanks.

SATAN_23rd
11-05-2005, 01:45 PM
is it out yet, and if so what is the general consensus on its performance?

Thanks.

danjama
11-05-2005, 09:07 PM
It is not contending with SLi. Look through here.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24794

This one is good to look at

http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_I...earchTerms=crossfire (http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9913&SearchTerms=crossfire)

IMO it will not stand up to sli because ATi cards just arent up to Nvidias standards.

p1ngu666
11-05-2005, 09:57 PM
i dont think u can get crossfire (incidently, a dodgy name?) for there latest cards yet

Davinci..
11-05-2005, 10:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
IMO it will not stand up to sli because ATi cards just arent up to Nvidias standards. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

good argument... im sold.

HelSqnProtos
11-05-2005, 10:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:


IMO it will not stand up to sli because ATi cards just arent up to Nvidias standards. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

S~!

Clearly an educated opinion backed up by many facts that debunk the evidence regarding SLI and 'perfect'. I feel it is also a very compelling counter defense to the claims by ATI card owners that Nvidia drivers are junk. Obviously they are not. Why else would Oleg have to fix the game -- I mean for sure Nvidia got it right. pffft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Obviously those people who have posted in Community help with dual nv 7800s in SLI were making all their problems up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ATI crossfire IMHO is FAR superior on multiple levels to nv tech.

However I think the final word will come from Hunter when he tests a DFI crossfire board with two x1800s on the new 5.11 drivers. Nothing speaks like actual tests. Opinions be d@mned.

-HH-Quazi
11-05-2005, 10:46 PM
DFI has released their Crossfire mobo finaly:

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Sc...4&Category_Code=NA_2 (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&amp;Store_Code=M&amp;Product_Code= 110434&amp;Category_Code=NA_2)

p1ngu666
11-05-2005, 11:10 PM
tbh there both fine cards, last dire card (value ones not withstanding...) was the matrox one...

well dire for gamin, was cool tho...

Grue_
11-07-2005, 01:12 AM
Gaming performance of the Crossfire chipset looks better than the opposition but all the Crossfire boards (Sapphire & LanParty) still use the ATi SB450 chipset which gives poor SATA/USB performance.

A major advantage of Crossfire IMO is that you can use different graphics cards - they both have to be ATi 1800 for example but can have different manufacturers and bios's.

This hopefully means that you can buy a second card on the cheap when they have slipped in price.

danjama owns shares in nvidia I think http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
11-07-2005, 02:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">IMO it will not stand up to sli because ATi cards just arent up to Nvidias standards. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I buy the cards that have the best performance for the money, not the 'right' sticker on the box.


At the moment I wouldn't buy a crossfire system, but as so often achieved by ATi, it is a step in the right direction.

danjama
11-07-2005, 06:03 AM
why is everyone saying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif There is no need for sarcasm. I have tried an X850XT and it didnt even compare to my 6600GT, let alone a 6800GT and im speaking strictly for il2 here by the way. As for their newer cards, i have heard their a complete bust next to 7800's. I do not have "shares" in Nvidia, credit where its due, X850 performed well in other games like doom3 and far cry, but i just prefer my Nvidia. As for drivers being buggy, do not even make me pull out the hoards of evidence against Ati crappylist drivers! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Crossfire has alot of potential, what with the ability to mix cards, like Nforce4 when it first came out, alot of the boards will need time to adapt and iron out bugs. In time it could be a winning technology, they just need to produce the graphics cards to match. Id personally go for SLi (well, i did) because it is alot more stable and very comfortable right now, but maybe in the future crossfire will make its own space.

p1ngu666
11-07-2005, 06:11 AM
what cards u got dan?

btw with SLI and the latest drivers, u can run different cards from diff manufacture's.

they havetobe the same chipset tho

Capt.LoneRanger
11-07-2005, 07:02 AM
danjama, the X850XT is &lt;0.5% slower than the 6800 Ultra in PacificFighters-Benchmarks, according to http://www.firingsquad.com

I wonder how sensitive you are to detect that. Besides that, the minimum FPS lies 4-5 FPS higher than any nVidia-card.... Considering the X850XT is 50-100 bugs cheaper you should think twice instead of comparing labels.

Speaking of drivers, both, nVidia AND ATi are far from being even close to something like perfect. Just read some threads about not displayed planeparts with nVidia here - there are plenty of them.

Of course ATM the 7800 is the fastest gfx-card on the market, but as we all know this race will be turned in 6 month, as it always is. ATi is testing a PCIe-card with 1Gig DDR3-memory.

I don't care for labels, neither ATi nor nVidia.

Cold_Gambler
11-07-2005, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Considering the X850XT is 50-100bugs bugs cheaper you should think twice instead of comparing labels.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

typo or not, you decide http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
11-07-2005, 10:08 AM
Indeed =D

Scen
11-07-2005, 10:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
why is everyone saying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif There is no need for sarcasm. I have tried an X850XT and it didnt even compare to my 6600GT, let alone a 6800GT and im speaking strictly for il2 here by the way. As for their newer cards, i have heard their a complete bust next to 7800's. I do not have "shares" in Nvidia, credit where its due, X850 performed well in other games like doom3 and far cry, but i just prefer my Nvidia. As for drivers being buggy, do not even make me pull out the hoards of evidence against Ati crappylist drivers! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Crossfire has alot of potential, what with the ability to mix cards, like Nforce4 when it first came out, alot of the boards will need time to adapt and iron out bugs. In time it could be a winning technology, they just need to produce the graphics cards to match. Id personally go for SLi (well, i did) because it is alot more stable and very comfortable right now, but maybe in the future crossfire will make its own space. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The reason why ATI doesn't do so well against Nvidia in IL2 all comes down to the OpenGL drivers. Bottom line is they aren't so great. In DX games ATI is on top.

I've had very little problems with ATI's drivers. Far from the experience I had with Nvidia.

Bottom line is Crossfire is still young. Also Grue_ mentioned the chipset that DFI is using is not the greatest. It looks like we will have to wait til after the first the year before they address it.

ATI needs to address the OpenGL problem period. They know about it but they gave it less of a priority because there aren't a lot of OGL games out there.

Scendore