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jamesdietz
01-12-2007, 10:02 AM
http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...bbf72d7436e497ec5123 (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6521&sid=8d8c3eaffda2bbf72d7436e497ec5123)
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything ...I just thought that you might be interested in the look of a competitive ( sic) Sim.As you can see they have done alot to improve it over the last year...I still have it loaded & Iplay it from time to time , but I have to admit I still enjoy Il-2FB/Pf more and with Manchuria & 1946 who has time for more????
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jamesdietz
01-12-2007, 10:02 AM
http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...bbf72d7436e497ec5123 (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6521&sid=8d8c3eaffda2bbf72d7436e497ec5123)
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything ...I just thought that you might be interested in the look of a competitive ( sic) Sim.As you can see they have done alot to improve it over the last year...I still have it loaded & Iplay it from time to time , but I have to admit I still enjoy Il-2FB/Pf more and with Manchuria & 1946 who has time for more????
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Xiolablu3
01-12-2007, 10:38 AM
Looks very nice, thanks for posting!

I think IL2 looks a bit better, but this still looks good and looks a good alternative!

The flak sounds are much better. You really get a rush when you hear things. I have never really rated Il2's sound, it could be much improved I think.


Convoy attack :-

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=262089570677583...1809781358320306 2098 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2620895706775831673&q=source%3A18097813583203062098)

I reallly like the massive formations.

WHy limit yourself to one game? I think I may buy this when I see it and play it alongside IL2.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RAF74_Raptor
01-12-2007, 10:50 AM
Ive been thinking about picking this title up

Rood-Zwart
01-12-2007, 11:35 AM
the photo in the cockpit is what i'd like to stare at in Il2<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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major_setback
01-12-2007, 12:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RAF74_Raptor:
Ive been thinking about picking this title up </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They have it at Game in England for about 10 pounds, if I remember rightly. I bought it at Christmas.
I'm having trouble mapping the controls, so haven't got very far with it. The 'essentials' link on the site is unfortunately 'down'.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
01-12-2007, 12:24 PM
It has some definite advantages, like 6 DOF, excellent FMs, daft AI (AI can stall!), recognizable UK terrain, 1940's London smog, a flyable 110C, and assaults on an entire Gruppe of German bombers. Downside is rather last gen airplane textures. A big plus: was designed by dedicated B of Brit fans, is a labor of love, and Shockwave continues to develop it from patch to patch. I think it is a diamond in the rough. The 6 DOF puts it miles ahead of IL-2 46 in the situational awareness department.

capt_frank
01-12-2007, 02:13 PM
I asked Santa for this game for Christmas but he couldn't find it anywhere.

Does anyone know where this can be had here in the states? I just checked our local NC Wally World but to no avail. I know I can get it off EBAY for full purchase price, but I'm going to keep that as an "alternate choice".

So anyone know?

Thanks,

Frank

leitmotiv
01-12-2007, 02:24 PM
Direct from Shockwave may be your best deal:

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/bob/

capt_frank
01-12-2007, 02:27 PM
Oy! Thanks

trumper
01-12-2007, 02:41 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifIt is an excellent sim and well worth adding to the collection of flight sims.The 2.05 and multiskins patches have transformed it.
There is another patch in the works and a support crew that is second to non.S to them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

RAF74_Raptor
01-12-2007, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by capt_frank:
I asked Santa for this game for Christmas but he couldn't find it anywhere.

Does anyone know where this can be had here in the states? I just checked our local NC Wally World but to no avail. I know I can get it off EBAY for full purchase price, but I'm going to keep that as an "alternate choice".

So anyone know?

Thanks,

Frank </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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I found it a comp usa for 29.99 I should have bought it then

zoinks_
01-12-2007, 02:54 PM
i just got this last week. having some problems with the spitfire at the moment...landing is quite different than this sim. i need to devote more time is all.

kudos to shockwave for addressing AI! "The Flying Tigers" title is coming to a pc near me.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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capt_frank
01-12-2007, 02:57 PM
I just ordered it from Shockwave as suggested, $27.49 including shipping. I am a dire hard fan of the IL2 series, but I like to try other stuff, like smoked oysters on a ritz cracker... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SeaFireLIV
01-12-2007, 03:06 PM
It`s a good game.

Friendly_flyer
01-12-2007, 03:10 PM
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GoToAway
01-12-2007, 03:28 PM
I tried this when it first came out. It was an absolute mess: unstable, buggy, broken, and with some ridiculous flight model bugs.

How much has it improved?

boxmike
01-12-2007, 03:40 PM
What's common there with IL-2, try to sneak -alone - close to He111 formation before firing them. Sniper-O-rama again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Both sims are excellent teachers for patience and tough speed sharpshooting in this.
2.05 patch brought also agggressive (have more g, literally!) opponents. No more 'Ach, there goes bunch of Spitfeuers und Hurricanes upon our bombers, however wir bleiben in formation', instead 'Wir folgen those Spitfeuers zum Valhalla if needed', for example (of my Germlish http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif)
As you are pumping .303s to into bombers in frustration, be sure that little formation of, say, 40 109s will be flattering you to death http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Going to intercept a bomber formation approaching Portsmouth, you notice condense trails high above your Hurricane formation and think, 'hell, they will be dropping upon my neck before I reach those bombers', instead those trails turn suddenly back south as your formation approaches bombers. Escorting 109's fuel has been counted as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I could compare offline only BoBII:Wov campaign flying to online IL-2: You have to fly a l o t to feel bored.

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leitmotiv
01-12-2007, 04:32 PM
All true, boxmike. I tried out the latest patch a bit today. Was able to get the jump on a Hurricane straining to catch a smoking formation of badly bashed Heinkels. Love the tracer effects---look just like B of Brit-period gun cam footage. I raked him good with my trusty 110, and he buggered off smartly. Try jumping the AI in 46! It is an entirely different experience with action all over the sky, beautiful effects, and quite a different way of fighting with 6 DOF.

True confessions---I bought it when it first came out in Sept 2005---and I frisbeed it into the trash in fury and consternation in Oct 2005! I came back when the good people on this forum urged us to give it another try with the patches. I reenlisted and never looked back.

Scragbat
01-12-2007, 04:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GoToAway:
I tried this when it first came out. It was an absolute mess: unstable, buggy, broken, and with some ridiculous flight model bugs.

How much has it improved? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here, the menu system was awful too...
I gave it a couple of patches before I gave up totally. IL2 is the benchmark and it didn't cut it for me...

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Philipscdrw
01-12-2007, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by capt_frank:
I am a dire hard fan of the IL2 series... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Aww, don't be so down on yourself! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SeaFireLIV
01-12-2007, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
It is an entirely different experience with action all over the sky, beautiful effects, and quite a different way of fighting with 6 DOF.

. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What a lot of people don`t realise is that you can get the 6DOF effect a little with standard TIR1! this is because BOb allows you to map the side-stepping lean effect to your keys. So I mapped `lean left` and `lean right` to my spare left hand joystick and my standard zoom forward on my main stick.

Now it`s rather amazing experience to be flying past a dozen HE111s in my spitfire, open the canopy, stick my head out and actually see the side of my aircraft and view the enemy bombers clearly. Dangerous but what a buzz! You can almost feel the wind on your face! Oh and the added outside noise of the engine and nearby bombers add much to that too!

IL2 cockpits feels very constrained after that, even the ones that allow you to open the `pit.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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Xiolablu3
01-12-2007, 06:53 PM
Just as a thought, dont you guys think COntrails in the game is a great idea?!?

I hope we have them in SOW BOB, that way there would be much less 'dot chasing'.

Both sides would see the enemyfrom much further away, leading to finding planes by eye, rather than only seeing a dot when it gets very close, or using icons, or using the F6 padlock key. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Feathered_IV
01-12-2007, 07:40 PM
I find the default external noises in WoV are even louder than Il-2. Is there a way to lower them or turn them off?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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striker-85
01-12-2007, 07:47 PM
Anyone know if they are planning on adding online multiplayer capabilities?

leitmotiv
01-12-2007, 10:39 PM
Hm, the only time I notice external noise in BOB2, F_IV, is when I am nearly being rammed, or a friendly squadronmate is perilously close to me. I can fly by a vee of bombers and hear only my own engine. The only way I know there is an enemy shooting at me is if (1) I spot him, or (2) I hear the tinny "ting ting" of hits on my airplane. No Maddox "rattatattatat" of enemy guns.

Feathered_IV
01-13-2007, 01:06 AM
Mine sounds like the one in this UTube clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un9g_16UMpQ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Mind you, my card is only an SB Audigy 2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I think the issue is more that I haven't found the right settings yet. One of the great things about it is just how many tweaks can be made to WoV.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
01-13-2007, 07:33 AM
I am going to check right now, once again. The clip seems to be getting much more ambient noise from the target 109 than I get, but I'll double check to be certain.

Capt.LoneRanger
01-13-2007, 07:51 AM
I must say I hold that game in my hands everytime I see it in the shelves. Considering I have 6DOF now and how this can be used in BOBII, I guess it'll land on my HDD after all.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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PRILLERS
01-13-2007, 08:05 AM
damage model is bad, overal is not good. terain is again this digitalising thing, which is 10years old techniqe to a terain to be made,
they had some opportunitybecause they saw il2, so the modification of this bob should be more profesional. but it looks, like a qiuck cosmetic upgrade, to earn at least some money...

but! the landing is very real. the feeling from landing manouver, is much more better like in il2. lqanding sound and landing model is very good. also smoke stripes after bullets are done in some way better like in il2.

hmm actualy is this sim out, to be compared with il2. il2 is in a far, far higher level.

leitmotiv
01-13-2007, 08:35 AM
To give the Devil his due, I think IL-2 is a more pleasing visual experience for the airplanes and some terrain, but I don't think there is much differnce in the FMs, except that takeoffs are much harder (more realistic) in BOB2. I think BOB2's AI beats IL-2's by a considerable margin---no BOB2 AI fighter gives you "hanging on prop free shots" like IL-2 does. IL-2 AI is absolutely predictable, as Sensei demonstrated in another thread. The tracer effects are more realistic in BOB2, and I have no grievance with the damage. One other thing I like is that the hand-held gun fire is more restrained in BOB2. You will not be killed by an MG17 at 1000 meters while approaching a vee of bombers.

SeaFireLIV
01-13-2007, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Mine sounds like the one in this UTube clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un9g_16UMpQ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Mind you, my card is only an SB Audigy 2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I think the issue is more that I haven't found the right settings yet. One of the great things about it is just how many tweaks can be made to WoV. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can adjust the sounds. There`s not an external setting, but I simply downed the effects and upped the engine noise to what appeared realistic (to the point I could hardly hear anything externally). My guns are still audible and you still hear things outside if you open the canopy.

The slight annoyance is that I do sometimes hear sounds like a pilot`s chute open which shouldn`t be, even if passing right next to me.

As for the rest of it, IL2 IS visually much more impressive in that the aircraft really are all `there` in full 3D and appear much clearer to the eye, in fact almost a little too clean. But once you get used to the more pastel shade of BOB and don`t expect to see planes too closely it actually grows on you a lot.

It`s a bit like looking at 2 different types of artwork by 2 different artists and getting used to them. They`re different but still great in their own.


One of the things I`m having to get used to is you can`t have everything in a sim as BOBvov has stuff I don`t like and so does IL2. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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Vike
01-13-2007, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:Convoy attack :-

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=262089570677583...1809781358320306 2098 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2620895706775831673&q=source%3A18097813583203062098)

I reallly like the massive formations.

WHy limit yourself to one game? I think I may buy this when I see it and play it alongside IL2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for this Xiola,i enjoy this great moment of flying!
Quite touching on some moments by the way! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

OMG,the Luftwaffe...what a Force! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Otherwise,some graphic glitching like the Stuka wheels that dig the ground at take-off,or the mouse-clicking function on the aicraft dashboard did confuse me a bit...

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leitmotiv
01-13-2007, 09:44 AM
Well stated regarding the graphics, SeaFireLIV. What they do they do very well. Pastel, is right.

F_IV, I thoroughly tested the sound effects, and I do not hear other airplanes unless I am passing very close (approx 100 meters) to a massed formation of bombers, or unless somebody blows right by me, esp from above. Never hear other side's guns, barely hear own unless its an MG/FF cannon chugging on my 109 or 110. I have made no changes to the sound program, using "as is."

I think the hit visual effects are photo-realistic---the burst of smoke when bullets impact, the feathery nearly invisible tracer smoke, and the smoke trailing damaged aircraft are all uncanny and actually look like period gun cam footage. The people who are doing the work on BOB2 are experts in the period and it shows.

SeaVee
01-27-2007, 07:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GoToAway:
I tried this when it first came out. It was an absolute mess: unstable, buggy, broken, and with some ridiculous flight model bugs.

How much has it improved? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was a real shame that when it was released in late 2005 it was so buggy, it truly was. As of the current 2.05 patch it is very very significantly improved - almost on an order of magnitude. 2.06 is currenly in beta testing and I expect it to be released in 2-3 months, again with very significant additional improvements.

The game will be undergoing continuos updates well into the future as Shockwave is building at least 2 new games based on the underlying BoB2 "Merlin Engine". One of those is "Flying Tigers" - likely to be released in 2007. As improvements are made for that it is almost certain most of those will also make their way into BoB2.

I own the IL2 series (IL2 + PF + Ace Expansion) and it is a great sim as well. Both games have strengths and weaknesses - like every game out there. There is plenty of room on my HD for both and I play both but overall enjoy BoB2 a bit more.

I did a little movie clip on youtube based on the exisitng 2.05 patch in case someone is interested:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TCHk9CFgE-U

By the way, I am not a Dev for BoB2, just one of the Beta testers and I try to help with forum queries at the Shockwave forums.

leitmotiv
01-27-2007, 09:56 PM
I will give everybody associated with BOB2 full marks for the most amazing attempt to get the details of operating the aircraft and their performance right. The ambience of the battle is superbly created from smog over London, to the right ships in a Channel convoy, to the types of AA one would have encountered over an RAF airfield. I am amazed to see how it gets better and better with each modification---this is truly a work-in-progress. When the airplanes' exteriors look as good as the interiors, it will be formidable competition for Maddox.

Old_Canuck
01-27-2007, 11:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
It has some definite advantages, like 6 DOF, excellent FMs, daft AI (AI can stall!), recognizable UK terrain, 1940's London smog, a flyable 110C, and assaults on an entire Gruppe of German bombers. Downside is rather last gen airplane textures. A big plus: was designed by dedicated B of Brit fans, is a labor of love, and Shockwave continues to develop it from patch to patch. I think it is a diamond in the rough. The 6 DOF puts it miles ahead of IL-2 46 in the situational awareness department. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Watching those clips makes me wonder if it has a track recording feature or something of that nature?

knightflyte
01-28-2007, 12:29 AM
I love IL2.... but damn! There are times as an offliner that this game is downright discouraging.

I'm still getting tons of kill stealing from the AI.

I just came from a furball with a Japanese Zero in the single mission on Pearl Harbour while flying a P 40.

I had alt advantage and clipped him. It aparently wasnt too bad so I yo-yoed to come in at him again. The bugger rolled and jerked like a mongoose escaping a snake....then took off for the sky leaving me in the dust. At my closest I was about .15km. He gained .70km to get .85km above me in a matter of MAYBE 15 seconds! INFURIATING!!!!!!!!

BoB:WoV isn't perfect, but when I'm in a dogfight I feel we're both mostly limited by the same laws of physics. I feel like I've accomplished something instead of getting a lucky shot sometimes.

Alright my whine is over! Phew I feel better now.

Shockwave's done a great job with BoB and has shown a level of dedication to the sim that really deserves a second looksee if you've removed it from your HD.


Oh and BoB's cockpits are fabulous. Nice work Shockwave.

Also SeeVee: There was a thread on Sim HQ or Shockwave's forums on how to set the control functions in BoB. I believe YOU wrote it. I found it useful, and I think others might too. I can't locate it. Would you know where it is... and could you make it a sticky in SimHQ/Shockwave?

leitmotiv
01-28-2007, 12:36 AM
Yes, it does have a playback feature, Old_Canuck, and it now has a new mission builder.

I agree about the AI, knightflyte. Maddox AI is so predictable you feel you are part of a ballet company because of the rigid choreography. BOB2's AI usually reacts so fast it is a "one second he is there, next he isn't" situation. Trying to keep in formation in the correct 1940 RAF and Luftwaffe tactical formations in BOB2 is a super-human task. The tight RAF fighter formations require weeks of practice.

Avont29
01-28-2007, 01:12 AM
this game looks pretty sweet....ffs it has clickable cockpit guages, i love that, thats what i loved about cfs2 so much was that clickable guages and stuff

i think im gonna pick this game up, looks kinda good, i hope it has multiplayer

Avont29
01-28-2007, 01:16 AM
heh i was actually checking out the game , then i saw this post lol


from what i hear from the reviews, this game is WAY harder than il2 sturmovik, with the landings and the stalls, etc. i love realism, so yea im probally gonna get this game, see how it is

SeaVee
01-28-2007, 05:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by knightflyte:
I love IL2.... but damn! There are times as an offliner that this game is downright discouraging.

I'm still getting tons of kill stealing from the AI.

I just came from a furball with a Japanese Zero in the single mission on Pearl Harbour while flying a P 40.

I had alt advantage and clipped him. It aparently wasnt too bad so I yo-yoed to come in at him again. The bugger rolled and jerked like a mongoose escaping a snake....then took off for the sky leaving me in the dust. At my closest I was about .15km. He gained .70km to get .85km above me in a matter of MAYBE 15 seconds! INFURIATING!!!!!!!!

BoB:WoV isn't perfect, but when I'm in a dogfight I feel we're both mostly limited by the same laws of physics. I feel like I've accomplished something instead of getting a lucky shot sometimes.

Alright my whine is over! Phew I feel better now.

Shockwave's done a great job with BoB and has shown a level of dedication to the sim that really deserves a second looksee if you've removed it from your HD.


Oh and BoB's cockpits are fabulous. Nice work Shockwave.

Also SeeVee: There was a thread on Sim HQ or Shockwave's forums on how to set the control functions in BoB. I believe YOU wrote it. I found it useful, and I think others might too. I can't locate it. Would you know where it is... and could you make it a sticky in SimHQ/Shockwave? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

knightflyte,

I think you are referring to the controller config/ui thread written by Retro in the Technical Support section of the Shockwave BoB2 forum here: http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2241

(Note: to access that section fo the forums you need to be a registered member there, it is also in the 2.04 PDF manual starting on page 32 which can be downloaded here: http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5934

Or the same version with "book marks" here:
http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5968

I edited the 2.04 manual and along with Borton wrote a small portion from scratch. More of an editing/complitation job taking info from forum posts, user contributions, etc. I'll be doing the same for the 2.05/2.06 manual update very soon.

For BoB2 I've also done a couple of tutorials on landing, Track IR setup, some sound mods and a thread about use of the Buttkicker Gamer device with BoB2 (which is an awesome immersion-adder).

Il2 has some spectacular attributes which is why I still play it, multiplayer in particular. BoB2 does as well but it quite a bit better in SINGLE player than Il2. There is so much immersion and randomness that it is very replayable without getting bored. I've had it just over a year and play all the time and have only been playing the many Instant Action missions. Incredibly I have yet to start a campaign!!! It is THAT replayable - even though currently limited to offline only.

The campaign has been called "The Mariana's Trench" of campaigns because it is so deep. It has the ability to frag into any mission within it so you get the best of both the 2D strategizing and 3D combat aspects.

The Battle of Britain in real life is a fascinating historical battle in its own right -just watch the mini series Spitfire Ace, Piece of Cake, or read the book "The Most Dangerous Enemy" by Stephen Bungay. Great stuff for either BoB2 or Oleg's upcoming BoB.

BoB2 does have a replay function but it is not as refined as Il2s and still has some quirks - functional nonetheless. Its biggest advantage over Il2 (as far as the replay function) is that the saved file sizes are neglible in size -isually a few hundred KB only. The videos I've done were using FRAPS recording footage "live" in game and also recording from those same missions in the replay mode for much of the external shots. Final editing of scene transitions was done with Ulead Video Studio 10 Plus.

I want to stress again that my like and praise of BoB2 is not a knock on IL2. Both have many great points. Its unfortunate that many people have never even considered trying BoB2 as almost everyone that does is very impressed.

The combat flight sim genre overall unfortunately has few enough alternatives as it is. It is off the radar scope of most big name studios as most attention and resources are on FPS shooters and role players. Having more than one good alternative in combat flight sims is always a good thing. Its like having BOTH Jessica Alba and Angelina Jolie. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

trumper
01-28-2007, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Avont29:
heh i was actually checking out the game , then i saw this post lol


from what i hear from the reviews, this game is WAY harder than il2 sturmovik, with the landings and the stalls, etc. i love realism, so yea im probally gonna get this game, see how it is </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The landings and take offs are harder but they make you want to shout with joy when you get it right. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
It does'nt cost a fortune and you won't regret it.The backup on Shockwave and Sim HQ is second to non so if you get stuck,ask politely.

BillyTheKid_22
01-28-2007, 10:41 AM
http://www.pf-militarygallery.com/images/trudgian/spitfire.jpg


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif Battle of Britain!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

knightflyte
01-28-2007, 10:42 AM
Ahhhhhhhh Thanks Sea Vee.

I do have them printed...... (and a closer inspection of the read me woulda helped by me...D'oh!)

But for those who may have difficulty assigning control inputs to their stick in BoB, this is invaluable.

knightflyte
01-28-2007, 10:43 AM
When can we expect THAT release of BoB, Bill the Kid?

BillyTheKid_22
01-28-2007, 12:52 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

bazzaah2
01-28-2007, 12:59 PM
very good game -Shockwave have done a great job with this. If you want a BOB simulator with complex engine starts then it's here already.

Plus you can play it as a wargame if you like as well.

scottmal1
01-31-2007, 03:16 PM
Just got a new sealed copy on ebay tonight for £1.70! so im going to patch it up and give it a go, i cant go wrong at this price, the sounds alone are worth more than this!

SeaFireLIV
01-31-2007, 03:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaVee:
Its like having BOTH Jessica Alba and Angelina Jolie. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yea, but just don`t try having them in bed at the same time or the fur will fly! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
02-05-2007, 10:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trumper:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifIt is an excellent sim and well worth adding to the collection of flight sims.The 2.05 and multiskins patches have transformed it.
There is another patch in the works and a support crew that is second to non.S to them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to agree. The new patch has done wonders for it. It makes me want more! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

stalkervision
02-05-2007, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Il2 has some spectacular attributes which is why I still play it, multiplayer in particular. BoB2 does as well but it quite a bit better in SINGLE player than Il2. There is so much immersion and randomness that it is very replayable without getting bored. I've had it just over a year and play all the time and have only been playing the many Instant Action missions. Incredibly I have yet to start a campaign!!! It is THAT replayable - even though currently limited to offline only. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly BOB2 has so much immersion and randomness of events. It really feels like you are there at times. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Also the "air graphics" and scenery IMO are way better then Il-2. Il-2 looks a bit "cartoonish" to me now that I fly BOB 2. IM0, Bob 2 just looks more realistic over all. I enjoy playing Il-2 though for a lot of other reasons and don't plan to get rid of it since it is still a very very good flight sim. One is all the planes one has to choose from to fly... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

leitmotiv
02-05-2007, 11:53 AM
I agree on immersion, randomness of events, and cartoonish, stalkervision.