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Herr_Werner
10-11-2008, 12:26 AM
...that something so beautiful is so rare to find. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc

As a pilot in real life, I hope to someday be able to fly this bird. Last I heard there are only 4 operational in the world with the original V-12 benz/supercharger.

Herr_Werner
10-11-2008, 12:26 AM
...that something so beautiful is so rare to find. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc

As a pilot in real life, I hope to someday be able to fly this bird. Last I heard there are only 4 operational in the world with the original V-12 benz/supercharger.

Herr_Werner
10-11-2008, 12:29 AM
Oh and before anyone critisizes the pilot, thats actually a very good soft field landing in what I'd say is about 8 - 10 knots of crosswind.

WTE_Ibis
10-11-2008, 12:43 AM
Landing a 109 once is good.
Landing a 109 twice is very good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
btw my favorout aircraft.

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Feathered_IV
10-11-2008, 01:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Herr_Werner:
Oh and before anyone critisizes the pilot, thats actually a very good soft field landing in what I'd say is about 8 - 10 knots of crosswind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He lowered the undercarriage first and everything. A top landing in all respects. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

P.FunkAdelic
10-11-2008, 02:58 AM
Man look at all that yawing on the first landing.

*looks again* Hey I think I have that skin!

M_Gunz
10-11-2008, 04:14 AM
Here's the one that makes me cry. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiYs_zqnOoQ)

ADD:
Mark Hanna telling at the end how hard they are to land. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5svK5Xs76R4&feature=related)

Badsight-
10-11-2008, 04:26 AM
guess what the Black 6 pilot was messing with to cook his engine !

Aaron_GT
10-11-2008, 06:22 AM
Yes, Mark Hanna getting killed is more of a tragedy than a plane getting wrecked. With the drawings in theory you can make a new plane...

tragentsmith
10-11-2008, 06:53 AM
Yeah, but he's wrong when he says that 1/3rd of the 109s were lost in crashlandings.... It was about 5% only. Makes a huge difference...

Herr_Werner
10-11-2008, 09:58 AM
Yeah 1/3rd my ***. I am also stumped on the black 6 crash, he clearly missed his runway but never went around? Anything short of an engine failure and I blame pilot error.

Viper2005_
10-11-2008, 10:50 AM
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resources/dft_avsafety_pdf_501760.pdf

K_Freddie
10-11-2008, 02:17 PM
Google ME109/FW190 WW2 losses (various sources)... seems only about 50% were lost to enemy action. Maybe Mark Hanna is not far off with that statement
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M_Gunz
10-11-2008, 02:22 PM
Maybe a shot-up 109 is even harder to land than one untouched? So then what caused the loss on paper?

arjisme
10-11-2008, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Herr_Werner:
...that something so beautiful is so rare to find. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Just noticed in that video -- flaps stay down even after touchdown. Was it common practice with WWII fighters to leave landing flaps deployed during and after touchdown?

I ask only because it is often advised that in IL2 you retract flaps soon after landing to help reduce bouncing.

Xiolablu3
10-11-2008, 05:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Here's the one that makes me cry. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiYs_zqnOoQ)

ADD:
Mark Hanna telling at the end how hard they are to land. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5svK5Xs76R4&feature=related) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just a matter of interest, Reg Hallam who Mark Hanna talks about at the end of that video ('you didnt get me this time you little b*stard') is the guy who shows us the slats and 'toe-in' on the Bf109 on that video you sent me and is often posted here.

BillyTheKid_22
10-11-2008, 05:27 PM
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c372/ryanmediocre2/DontMakeMeCry.jpg

M_Gunz
10-11-2008, 06:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ar****e:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Herr_Werner:
...that something so beautiful is so rare to find. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Just noticed in that video -- flaps stay down even after touchdown. Was it common practice with WWII fighters to leave landing flaps deployed during and after touchdown?

I ask only because it is often advised that in IL2 you retract flaps soon after landing to help reduce bouncing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do that, I dunno who else, I lose lift but also braking power. I have plenty of strip, brakes
are not a worry if I touch near the start. If I can't fly flaps up at touchdown speed then
how can the plane leave the ground?

I'm in a sim, don't feel the plane move, don't see with either stereo or peripheral vision,
lacking in other sensory feedback as well. They have all that IRL. There's gonna be _some_
differences between what they can do and what I can that's gonna be from perception limits
due to hardware. I fly it how I can make it work.