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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 11:35 AM
S!

I got Fb last week and have gone mental for it! Hats off because it's hands down THE best PC game I've got - full stop.

I'm really impressed with all the extra support material available (mud movers etc)

I've done lots of digging - but please could I ask for help with some of the following?

I know these must be such Noob Q's that you get all the time but I'd be really greatfull for some help....

1) Tried my first online session and got my *** handed to me, after 3 hours of play I was at least able to see who was shooting me down!
Is it better to carry on what I'm doing (no ext view, CEM etc) and learn the hard way - or does it make more sense to learn this at a latter date?

2) Can anyone point me in the direction of some good defensive tips for flying an IL-2 against fighters (do I let the gunner get on with it - or try to do both? Should I get as low a possible? Should I make lots of tight turns, etc)

3) I found a site saying Hyperlobby is dodgy is this true?

4) Should I devote my time to learning one aircraft really well at a time well or get a good tatse of all?

5) Is it better to go for online - or hone my skills offline?

Many thanks, and I cant wait to do some more online stuff - I know I can get good as this!!!!

Cheers
D



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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 11:35 AM
S!

I got Fb last week and have gone mental for it! Hats off because it's hands down THE best PC game I've got - full stop.

I'm really impressed with all the extra support material available (mud movers etc)

I've done lots of digging - but please could I ask for help with some of the following?

I know these must be such Noob Q's that you get all the time but I'd be really greatfull for some help....

1) Tried my first online session and got my *** handed to me, after 3 hours of play I was at least able to see who was shooting me down!
Is it better to carry on what I'm doing (no ext view, CEM etc) and learn the hard way - or does it make more sense to learn this at a latter date?

2) Can anyone point me in the direction of some good defensive tips for flying an IL-2 against fighters (do I let the gunner get on with it - or try to do both? Should I get as low a possible? Should I make lots of tight turns, etc)

3) I found a site saying Hyperlobby is dodgy is this true?

4) Should I devote my time to learning one aircraft really well at a time well or get a good tatse of all?

5) Is it better to go for online - or hone my skills offline?

Many thanks, and I cant wait to do some more online stuff - I know I can get good as this!!!!

Cheers
D



I was to take responsability for the newcomer Erich Hartmann. I looked at him and thought: Oh my God, what are they sending us now? What a baby!

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 11:44 AM
1. Stay with them settings and learn them

2. Don't fly IL-2 as a fighter. It ain't. Let the tg do his job and fly slow and evade.

3. HL is ok. The site you're refering to is made by an antagonist who doesn't like HL. He's well known. Ignore.

4. Have one fav and practice in it but play around with em all to learn pros and cons if u ever meet them in the air.
Also, in some online wars u won't be able to choose plane so better know what you're doing then. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

5. Off and Online is two different things. Real humans don't fly like AI. But AI is good practice but Online is where u will get the best practice.
A mix is best. Do a campaign to get to learn diff. planes and learn basic flying and ACM then join an online war or go dfing online.

GL and have fun.

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 11:50 AM
Cool,
Thanks for that.
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I was to take responsability for the newcomer Erich Hartmann. I looked at him and thought: Oh my God, what are they sending us now? What a baby!

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 11:54 AM
Np. Hope others will post their opinion.

Btw you've seen a red swingline laying around? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 11:59 AM
Vengeanze wrote:
- 1. Stay with them settings and learn them

But make sure the server you are on enforces them for others!
Otherwise you will continue to get your a$$ handed to you when they use cockpit off!

-
- 2. Don't fly IL-2 as a fighter. It ain't. Let the tg
- do his job and fly slow and evade.
-
Agreed

- 3. HL is ok. The site you're refering to is made by
- an antagonist who doesn't like HL. He's well known.
- Ignore.

Ditto
-
- 4. Have one fav and practice in it but play around
- with em all to learn pros and cons if u ever meet
- them in the air.
- Also, in some online wars u won't be able to choose
- plane so better know what you're doing then.
-
Pick your battles!

- 5. Off and Online is two different things. Real
- humans don't fly like AI. But AI is good practice
- but Online is where u will get the best practice.
- A mix is best. Do a campaign to get to learn diff.
- planes and learn basic flying and ACM then join an
- online war or go dfing online.
-
Spot on. Do both! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 12:12 PM
- I got Fb last week and have gone mental for it!
- Hats off because it's hands down THE best PC game
- I've got - full stop.

Yep. Welcome ! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

- 1) Tried my first online session and got my ***
- handed to me, after 3 hours of play I was at least
- able to see who was shooting me down!
- Is it better to carry on what I'm doing (no ext
- view, CEM etc) and learn the hard way - or does it
- make more sense to learn this at a latter date?

With such low practice, it's pretty normal you get wiped. A lots of virtual pilots there have months of experience in IL2 online dogfights (and years in may other simulators).

It will take some time for you to get a hang of it. It's one of the most interesting "feature" of this game : It takes time to learn to play it. After almost 2 years of IL2/FB, I still learn and get surprised every evening. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Definitely NOT the kind of game that you "exhaust" in a week. And really worth your money. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


- 2) Can anyone point me in the direction of some good
- defensive tips for flying an IL-2 against fighters
- (do I let the gunner get on with it - or try to do
- both? Should I get as low a possible? Should I make
- lots of tight turns, etc)

Well, my "squadron" combines a wing of fighters and a wing of IL2s. The best defensive manoevers used by our bombers is to fly low in thiglty packed groups and to break up formation and do dispersive thight turns when a enemy fighter lines up (and scream for the cover fighters) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .
Then get back in close formation.

Do not get isolated in an IL2. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

- 3) I found a site saying Hyperlobby is dodgy is this
- true?

Nope. Using it since years. Never got a single problem with it.

As said, this site was made by a guy trying to ruin the good times we have with it. Ignore it.

- 4) Should I devote my time to learning one aircraft
- really well at a time well or get a good tatse of
- all?

Try to get used to one plane (Try La5FN, Yak3 or BF109G for a start) and when you think you have it under control, start swapping for planes with different characteristics (FW,Yaks, I16,...).

- 5) Is it better to go for online - or hone my skills
- offline?

Two different things. Online games are much more fun and disputed, but offline is good for training. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 12:13 PM
Ach! I want FB too! Me want FB!

As for your questions, well... I'm nowhere near a veteran, but I do think I can provide you with a few helpful pointers; I have no hands-on experience with FB, but since FB is the most realistic Prop-Combat sim available, a good place to start is with looking over what would be sensible in real life.

I would recommend you keep playing at "full real" (cockpit on, no externals, etc.) When I played IL2, I made the mistake of playing through the single player with "half real" settings. It is VERY hard to get used to the "full real" after that. Carry on, in other words.

Defense for the IL2? Hmmm... The IL2 is slow and sluggish; you have no chance in hell in a dogfight with it, provided the pilot in the attacking fighter is reasonably skillful. I'd say the trick to do runs in an IL2 is to avoid detection, and rely on friendly fighters to provide escort (online flyers are generally very friendly; just ask, and I'm sure more than a few "little friends" will show up to help out). Just be sure to let your escort fly some distance away from you, so you can slip out quietly in the event that the **** hits the fan.
But if you are discovered, and have a fighter zooming down on your tail, remember that the IL2 is a "classic two-seater"; the rear gun covers a limited arc behind and above. The rear gun can indeed be very dangerous to an attacking fighter, particularly up close, since any hits will be placed around the engine and cockpit. But a skilled attacker will try to get behind and *below* you, where he can fire away with impunity, since the gun can't reach him there. That, coupled with the fact that the IL2's underside is very vulnerable, because the radiator is placed there (it's the box between the wings) and even a light hit there will cause your engine to overheat and stop working.
To sum it up; stay low if under attack, keep an eye on your attacker, and try to prevent him coming in below you. If the attacker does manage to get in below, bank sharply to either side; if you're lucky, that will give your rear gun an excellent opportunity to send a burst into the enemy's cockpit. I said "bank sharply", but watch your E-level, and keep the turn to a minimum; IL2's bleed energy like hell in break-turns.

HyperLobby is *not* dodgy. There is a site accusing HL of being SpyWare and other such niceties, but that's made by a disgruntled former employee, as far as I managed to find out. HL is an excellent tool for flying online, and is nigh-on indispensable for cruising the online skies.

I would recommend focusing on a few aircrafts; since FB is so realistic, you can expect huge differences in how they fly and fight, and as such I would say that focusing on one fighter that really suits your style is the way to go. Do take the others for a spin every once in a while though, to spot advantages and weaknesses; such knowledge can be crucial in a dogfight.

Offline flying is a good way to hone your skills, but remember that this only goes for gunnery and manouvering; as soon as you go online, you'll find that human pilots fly *very* differently to AI planes.


*Huff-huff*... Hope it helped. Good luck mate.
*S*



Message Edited on 08/12/0301:17PM by Dystopian

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 12:19 PM
I'm only going to give tips on the IL2, because the rest of the questions are answered fully.

The IL2 isn't a fighter, but it isn't a bomber either - it's an attack plane, and you can afford to be a bit aggressive in your piloting.

Don't fly slow in the Il2 - speed is life!. Only slow down when you're diving to attack ground targets, otherwise, more speed makes you more difficult to hit, especially for AA guns, plus you can turn speed into fast turns when you need to. let your rear gunner do his job, but you also need to make your plane a hard target. Make jinking turns and use dives to keep your speed up. Don't try to climb when you are being attacked, cause everyone can out climb you!

If you're lucky, and it happens to me a fair bit, you'll occasionally see a 109 fly out in front of you, perhaps attacking the plane ahead of you in formation. This is your best chance to zap a fighter with those nice 23mm cannons.

When you get to a target, stay with your wingmen if there is _any_ flak around. If you break off and attack separately, all the guns will be pointing at you during your pass, which is a disaster even for the Il2! Once the flak is gone, I usually break from formation to make more frequent attacks.

You _can_ kill a panzer III,IV or V with your 23mm guns! The trick is to fly at low speed parallel to the target with at least 600m altitude above the ground, watching it between the nose and the wing. Flaps help too. As it passes under the wing root, bank toward it and dive - you should be diving between 70 and 90 degrees. Quickly get it in your sights, fire cannons, and hopefully they will cut through the roof and destroy the tank! If you wait too long though to pull out of the dive, you still kill the tank, but by dropping an aeroplane on it instead. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

If you have RS82 or 132 rockets, you should attack from the rear of a tank, since many tanks can survive a hit on the front. If you have the BRS versions, you can usually attack from anywhere.

If you have bombs, try to drop them on the target. Dive bombing works, but it's tedious. Usually I just close quickly at very low altitude and drop as the target passes under the nose, banking and climbing as soon as the bombs are away. (I believe this method is now known as TLAR bombing = That Looks About Right) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


Message Edited on 08/12/0311:24AM by Bnej_03

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08-12-2003, 01:40 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 02:05 PM
Cheers all!
Top quality tips - esp the Il2 stuff, I was playing an online game and got chased for ages before I got put down. I did try using the gunner but I was soooo low I couldn't take eyes of pilot!

I guess the bottom line is If you get caught on your own - you are meat!

Been doing loads of practice in a P-39 - I love it but does it cut the mustard on-line? Have to be well cagey with the stick but I think it's a sweet Aircraft. The cannon is a beast!

Any ideas on convergence gun v cannon for a poor Noob shot? At the moment I have all at 300

Anyway I'm bored of practising - I'm off to get some beats online! I know ONE day I'll get a kill! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks for all the help, and maybee I'll see you in the air!

S!
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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 02:14 PM
Can't comment on P-39. Haven't flown it much.

Convergence of 300 seems a little bit too much. Go closer. I got mine at 150.
The closer the more energy your rounds have (it's modelled) and target easier to hit.

Have fun!

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 02:29 PM
Hmm....
Will try lowering convergence - sad fact is at the moment I'm rarely getting that close!

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 03:04 PM
If you fly planes without wing guns, then convergance isn't an issue. I like using the mig3 with 2xUB for gunnery practice - UB mgs fire much faster than the .50s in the american planes or 13mm on the germans, so it's not as weak as you might think. Plus, you get very little head shake from them, so it's easier to hold them on the target. LaGG3 1941 is also very stable, but with bigger guns, and non-mk108 bf109 fighters.

Of course, you can probably expect to be spanked if you fly the mig3 online. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif And if you don't _want_ to aim, just fly the P47 with extra ammo and hold down the fire button somewhere near an enemy plane.

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 06:23 PM
Mmm...

Going to stick with the P-39 till I master it.

Just been playing on-line and got whipped again! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Tips with the Il-2 really worked held off a fighter then beat a quick one out of there when cover arrived - he had 6-8 passes on me and I managed to dodge most. He might not have been any good.

When in a rumble I just seem to spend my time invain desperetly looking for bogeys..... Am I doing something wrong?
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