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VK_Dim
12-30-2004, 02:12 AM
I would like that all of you who have stutters with the latest patch-ONLINE, report here in this topic.
It is unreal how the game started to STUTTER after teh new patch, but only online.
I fly mostly on F16 and WC servers.
They are with 50 players limit.
Small stutters every now and then.
I am SURE, 100% sure that there are so many ppl that experience them also and that i am not alone.
I tried everythin, reinstalling the game, formatting, clean install of everythin, different dirvers etc etc.
I am SURE that it is not HARDWARE or connection related. Must be somethin in the new patch and it's netcode that gives those horrible stuters.

I also read the post from SPARX-WC host, that everythin is about NET SPEED. No it's not. Net speed is related to LAG AND WARP. If you have different NETSPEED set planes start to warp and lag, it is not the smae as STUTERING.

I have several suggestions what could be done to try and figure out what is causing those bad stutters. I wonder did the hosts try to reinstall the whole machine, put a clean install of game and patches, try to host the gmae without daemons, scripts or whatever they are called. This issue requires a big big test. I wonder could it be also client related, that somebody with outdated, prehistoric machine joins in the game and then the troubles start.
Flyin lately is not fun.
Can't remember back in a days when we had so much stutters.
Every single player on F16 last nite had stutters. That makes 50 of us during the 2 hours session. Is it the new.exe?
wth?

I am not whining, i know this issue will be solved. if it is the patch problem Oleg and team will do it, as always.
I jsut want to report this ISSUE beacuse i didn't see a signle person on this forums post about it and everybody is stuttering.
I offer myself to help as much as I can considering the server adn machines setup.

S!

Dim.cro

VK_Dim
12-30-2004, 02:12 AM
I would like that all of you who have stutters with the latest patch-ONLINE, report here in this topic.
It is unreal how the game started to STUTTER after teh new patch, but only online.
I fly mostly on F16 and WC servers.
They are with 50 players limit.
Small stutters every now and then.
I am SURE, 100% sure that there are so many ppl that experience them also and that i am not alone.
I tried everythin, reinstalling the game, formatting, clean install of everythin, different dirvers etc etc.
I am SURE that it is not HARDWARE or connection related. Must be somethin in the new patch and it's netcode that gives those horrible stuters.

I also read the post from SPARX-WC host, that everythin is about NET SPEED. No it's not. Net speed is related to LAG AND WARP. If you have different NETSPEED set planes start to warp and lag, it is not the smae as STUTERING.

I have several suggestions what could be done to try and figure out what is causing those bad stutters. I wonder did the hosts try to reinstall the whole machine, put a clean install of game and patches, try to host the gmae without daemons, scripts or whatever they are called. This issue requires a big big test. I wonder could it be also client related, that somebody with outdated, prehistoric machine joins in the game and then the troubles start.
Flyin lately is not fun.
Can't remember back in a days when we had so much stutters.
Every single player on F16 last nite had stutters. That makes 50 of us during the 2 hours session. Is it the new.exe?
wth?

I am not whining, i know this issue will be solved. if it is the patch problem Oleg and team will do it, as always.
I jsut want to report this ISSUE beacuse i didn't see a signle person on this forums post about it and everybody is stuttering.
I offer myself to help as much as I can considering the server adn machines setup.

S!

Dim.cro

F16_Petter
12-30-2004, 02:21 AM
Yes, I have noticed the same thing.
I see a big differance compared with 3.02bm.
Ill email 1c/maddox about it.

We at F16_Dedicated are willing to help testing these bugs, and what they are related to, if we can get enough testpilots.
But hey Dim.cro I guess I can count you in?

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VK_Dim
12-30-2004, 02:29 AM
Of course Petter!
I enjoy flyin with all of you on your server!
Respect!

F16_Petter
12-30-2004, 02:41 AM
Regarding this issue, please vote in the poll at
Our Homepage (http://www.flygflottilj16.se)

The poll will open until 2005-01-03.

Also you can help us in finding out the reason to the problem, see more details at our homepage.

Thanks

Yum_Yum
12-30-2004, 02:41 AM
Hello http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I use the same servers and I too and witness the same problems!

I think I may have seening it since the 3.2beta and hoped 3.3 would fix it and make it better. nothing has changed.

I dont believe it is lag http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Cya!

VK_Dim
12-30-2004, 04:31 AM
I hope that more ppl will respond and report their experiences about this serious matter.
S!

WUAF_Badsight
12-30-2004, 04:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:
I also read the post from SPARX-WC host, that everythin is about NET SPEED. No it's not. Net speed is related to LAG AND WARP. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
you dont get stutters from internet issues

its a computer issue

no one has claimed in Sparx's thread that the NETSPEED setting would affect STUTTERS

because it wont

F16_Petter
12-30-2004, 05:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
you dont get stutters from internet issues
its a computer issue
no one has claimed in Sparx's thread that the NETSPEED setting would affect STUTTERS
because it wont <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well well, it seems to be a computer issue caused by Online playing, and its very similar to the "spawn" freezes in older IL2.

It affects a LOT of players and therefor i would not call it a computer issue, in the way that there is something on the client computer that is the error. Its rather a programming bug that make so many ppl suffer from this.


Call it what you like, its still annoying and I belive it is in the code of the game, and not a setting you can adjust to make it dissapear.

NN_EnigmuS
12-30-2004, 05:14 AM
yes it's everytine some little freeze and stutters and sometimes big freeze for me as the computer cannot hold those micro freeze every 30s

ive never experienced such bad gaming yet online with my config and so on for lot of people i think

WUAF_Badsight
12-30-2004, 05:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F16_Petter:
Call it what you like, its still annoying and I belive it is in the code of the game, and not a setting you can adjust to make it dissapear. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes , yes & exactly

& just one person in a server who has a slow computer that has a hard time running a busy DF room & coop game can RUIN the smoothness for everyone

his delays / pauses / spawning times will affect EVERYONE else

VK_Dim
12-30-2004, 05:29 AM
Then it seems that lately there is a lot more ppl with bad machines lately then it was couple of months ago.
hehehe

JG52Uther
12-30-2004, 06:00 AM
I have seen no change.I dont get stutters online,and so far never have.

VK_Dim
12-30-2004, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG52Uther:
I have seen no change.I dont get stutters online,and so far never have. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
what servers are u usually playin on? how many players are in those servers, do they run some scripts? What is configuration of those servers...provide some more info plz.
TY

carguy_
12-30-2004, 08:11 AM
I have a feeling that from 3.02 the sound engine is screwed up and being main cause of stutters.

I tried everything,tested,tweaked for a week.

Ppl tell to make a clean install,defrag,etc.

Now this doesn`t end well for my system at least.

Before 3.02 I had multiple installs on one disc,every install was a "dirty" install which means patch on patch,AEP over FB,everything the same and left without maintainance since May 2004 and everything all right.I installed 3.02,still ok.Then I had to reformat the system and did clean install with defrag,etc.
EVERYTHING went crazy with 3.02.Sound was ****,stutters cause the game to be unplayable.
I installed 3.03,still the same.

Next I completely ereased the game and installed everything over again with defrag,etc.

Before doing this I tried lowering sound hardware support and quality but sound went all crappy and stutters stayed.

After the SECOND time clean install I again tried to lower sound settings and yesterday I flew 4 perfectly smooth sorties and I`m again hooked.

Any geniuses here to explain WTF is going on?

BTW me sound is Nvidia Soundstorm(MOBO A7N8X-E).

Heavy_Weather
12-30-2004, 08:43 AM
I personally think its the sound engine in the game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

JG52Uther
12-30-2004, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG52Uther:
I have seen no change.I dont get stutters online,and so far never have. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
what servers are u usually playin on? how many players are in those servers, do they run some scripts? What is configuration of those servers...provide some more info plz.
TY <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Update.I just got a screen freeze in WC after 5 minutes flying.Has not happened anywhere else yet,so maybe there is something screwy going on.I usually fly on WC,easternhotshots,Birds of Prey with NO problems at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif.I have an Audigy 2 ZS card with full accelleration so maybe i will back it off a bit and retest.Usually i can fly online flawlessly in a 50 player server for hours.

Yum_Yum
12-30-2004, 09:22 AM
In the interests of helping this thread and myself I would like to add further experiences http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I also completely removed the game before re installing it and the patch.

We don't have a sound card installed and I play without any sound at all, so I am unsure if it is a sound issue or not.

My game plays with excellent settings off line and without any screen freezes or stutters.
Online I igreatly reduce the settings to try a prevent the sturres and freezes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

We have a Broadband 512 connection and the problem of stutters and freezes only arises when I play online.

It does not matter if my conection has a ping of 17 or 170 the effects online are still the same...only player numbers reduce the effects.
On a 50 player server if there are only 20 people playing there are little or no effects, the effects get worse with the more people which join, at 50 players the game is unplayable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
I experience simmilar things on smaller servers.

I can say that it appears on all the servers I have used iIncluding Hunter82's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif where I got timed out after playing for only 5 mins http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
It does not seem to be present if there are only 1 or 2 players on any server ?.

The game was fine up until the Beta patch (I think) and has become more apparent in 3.3.

These are just some of the things I have noticed and experienced, I know it does not happen to everyone, and really I would like to read posts by the people which it effects ..not the ones it doesn't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

I hope this offers some additional information to help resolve it, or I hope the next patch may fix it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


P.S. Thank you F16_Petter for taking the time to investigate this further by making a poll, I have voted.
Cya!

VK_Dim
12-30-2004, 09:29 AM
What i'm gonna do next is:
Remove the game and put a stock fb aep pf install with no patches at all.
Just to be sure that stutters are caused by the new patches.

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-30-2004, 10:34 AM
3.02 smooth. 3.03 I get micro stutters even at 50-70fps.

Owlsphone
12-30-2004, 12:00 PM
I too think it's the sound engine. There are so many bugs with the sound since the patch. I hear gunfire from across the map, random planes flying by that are not near me (probably also somewhere across the map).

I also get stutters even on my higher end system.

And on top of all of that, the game will just lock up every once in a while. IL-2 has NEVER locked up on me until 3.03.

Cpt-Madcowz
12-30-2004, 12:26 PM
Stutters are what made me stop playing the game nearly a year ago, I think it was the release of patch version 2, although I can't be certain of that. Was fine up until then. This patch made it impossible to play.

I must admit, after having spent all that time wishing I was flying and coming back to the game, they are still there, but not quite as bad.

And yes, I did everything ever suggested while trying to fix them. From complete low level formats and reinstalls, to getting a gig of ram and a new video card, I tweaked and pushed and prodded until my machine was sick of it.

I gave up in the end and went and played a game that worked.

But, to be honest, they were nowhere as good as this one.

/Mad

p1ngu666
12-30-2004, 02:27 PM
its planes spawning often, and flak (like a carrier or more) can make a game chug alot

if the game could see how much ram we have free, and cache the planes, or even intelligent caching, eg, dont load 109g6 cos no one flies that, then it would help alot, imo

F16_Petter
12-31-2004, 01:10 AM
I have come across some really interesting facts when testing yesterday, but I will have to have more evidence before posting about it so i wont do that now.

However if im right, you have all been wrong about certain statements.

I will do some more testing today, and take screenshots and talk to the testers before posting again.
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OldMan____
12-31-2004, 05:34 AM
I used to have lots of sutters and freezes with 3.01 and 3.02. Now with 3.03.. All gone. No problems anymore.

Atomic_Marten
12-31-2004, 01:14 PM
Also had a stutters, but this ain't the reason why I'm posting this. I see you're from Croatia, and just want to say hello.. and it appears that you're from the same city as I (VK) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pozdrav od Atomske Kune http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bula
12-31-2004, 02:06 PM
Like you, VK_Dim, I also have problems online, but only on certain servers. However, they are not stutters per se, but rather more like 'micro-freezes'. The most egregious is WC. It is so frustrating to line up a shot and then have a micro-freeze occur: the next thing you know, your bandit is nowhere in sight and your a/c has moved relative to where it was before the micro-freeze. I have followed Sparx's recommendations without any discernable effect.

I don't have this problem on GreaterGreen, although there's not a heckuva lot of difference in the ping value between GG and WC for me. I'd really like to hear if anyone has any suggestions about what's going on.