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salthill
01-18-2007, 01:57 PM
Hi i've just read O'Briens Chasing after Danger his last book but about his initial war experiences attacking Brest from Cornwall, what a fab book no hero stuff just good story telling. anyway i'm just 1/2 way thru his second book Out of the Blue about his time with the Chindits/wingate force in burma. is this area covered in the Burma map . he talks about the Irrawaddy, Shweli, Bhamo, Chowringhee
or if not what part of Burma does the map cover
- any other fans of o'Brien?/
cheers

salthill
01-18-2007, 01:57 PM
Hi i've just read O'Briens Chasing after Danger his last book but about his initial war experiences attacking Brest from Cornwall, what a fab book no hero stuff just good story telling. anyway i'm just 1/2 way thru his second book Out of the Blue about his time with the Chindits/wingate force in burma. is this area covered in the Burma map . he talks about the Irrawaddy, Shweli, Bhamo, Chowringhee
or if not what part of Burma does the map cover
- any other fans of o'Brien?/
cheers

Dunkelgrun
01-18-2007, 04:12 PM
The FB Burma map is designed mainly around the Siege of Imphal in 1944 (although it doesn't include Kohima (sp?) where a lot of the ground fighting took place.
As such it has Imphal in the NW corner and includes the mountains on the India/Burma border, the top part of the Kabaw Valley, the Chindwin River runs right through the centre North to South, then there is a lot of jungle.

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Monty_Thrud
01-19-2007, 06:40 AM
Does anyone have a list of the aircraft used in Burma from early till late war, i've just set up the map with Hurricanes MkIIb/IIc and Ki-43, Ki-21, i'm sure P47s were used very late on....any others, allied or axis?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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stathem
01-19-2007, 07:09 AM
Mk VIII's Monty, Mk VIIIs!

Maybe some Vc 2 cannon also?

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Mr_Nakajima
01-19-2007, 09:43 AM
From quickly scanning ?Air War for Burma? by Christopher Shores the following in-game types were used:

September 1942:
Blenheim IV,
Mowhawk (P-36)
Catalina (Nomad)
Hurricane II (no mark given, assume IIb)
B-25C (as un-armed recce)
DC3 (C-47)

Jan 1943:
Hurricane IIb and IIc
Belnheim IV
Mowhawk IV (P-36)
DC3 (C-47)
B-25C (as un-armed recce)
Beaufighter VIf
Spitfire (recce only)
Liberator II (B-24)
B-24 (USAAF)
B-25 (USAAF, no mark given)
P-40 (USAAF)

June 1943
As above

Dec 1943
As above, and
Spitfire Vc
Spitfire VIII (non-operational, working up)
Beaufighter VI, X, XI
P-38 (USAAF, no model given)
Liberator III

July 1944
As above, plus
Spitfire VIII
Thunderbolt (no mark given)

Dec 1944 onwards
As above, plus
Mosquito VI
P-47 (USAAF)
Liberator VI

The Japanese operated Ki-84s over Burma late in the war. The JNAF briefly operated A6M and G4M from Magwe in Dec 1943 to Mar 1944.

Lots of other types, such as Hudsons, Bisleys, Ki-51s etc. which aren't in the game were used as well of course.

Monty_Thrud
01-19-2007, 09:48 AM
Thank you Mr_Nakajima, thats exactly what i was after, i just ordered that book. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Dunkelgrun
01-19-2007, 10:45 AM
Aircraft specific to the Siege of Imphal, March to July 1944

RAF and IAF:

Hurricane IIC
Hurricane IID
Spitfire VIII
Vultee Vengeance
Beaufighter VIF
Dakota
Wellington X
B-25 Mitchell
Harvard

IJA:

Ki-21 'Sally'
Ki-43-II 'Oscar'
Ki-46 'Dinah'
Ki-48 'Lily'
Ki-49 'Helen'

USAAF:

P-51 Mustang

Plus these were around and about, even if they weren't specifically used during the siege.

P-38 Lightning
B-25 Liberator


Stand-ins:

SBD for Vengeance
G4M1-11 'Betty' for Ki-49 'Helen'

Not much can be done for the Ki-48, nothing looks like it. I suppose the Betty could do for the Wellington at a pinch, although I don't personally like it.

Cheers!

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Mr_Nakajima
01-20-2007, 12:01 PM
Hi Dunkelgrun, I think the Russian SB can stand in for the Ki-48, which was designed by the Japanese on the same principles as they were impressed by it. The defensive armament is similar and it burns easily also.

I think there are some Japanese Ki-48/SB skins at Flying Legends; I certainly have some in my folders.