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kid_SA
03-12-2008, 01:28 AM
hi. I'm in the design phase of a home-built stick, but the trigger is worrying me. I'm curious as to how real planes dealt with the multitude of cannons/MG. Were there multiple triggers, or switches on the dash-board? Was it possible to switch quickly and easily between guns?

Not the Spit (know how that works) or the Russian planes with thumb-controlled triggers please as I'm going for a more German-ish stick, more mainstay, with the trigger behind the stick and used by the index finger.

Also, how much control was there over the planes with a really large array of weapons? Is SOW ever likely to introduce a 3-or-more-trigger plane of some kind? Does that even exist?

kid_SA
03-12-2008, 01:28 AM
hi. I'm in the design phase of a home-built stick, but the trigger is worrying me. I'm curious as to how real planes dealt with the multitude of cannons/MG. Were there multiple triggers, or switches on the dash-board? Was it possible to switch quickly and easily between guns?

Not the Spit (know how that works) or the Russian planes with thumb-controlled triggers please as I'm going for a more German-ish stick, more mainstay, with the trigger behind the stick and used by the index finger.

Also, how much control was there over the planes with a really large array of weapons? Is SOW ever likely to introduce a 3-or-more-trigger plane of some kind? Does that even exist?

Schwarz.13
03-12-2008, 02:01 AM
Here is a replica of a KG13 control column (as used in the Bf109, FW190 etc.):

http://www.valiant-studio.eu/tarmac/html/images/hangar/2_4.jpg

The button on the top of the stick was for Cannon; the index-finger paddle-flap type button was for MGs and also folded over the Cannon button as a safety guard; the button on the left side of the stick was the release button for external ordinance.

Hope this helps...

Friendly_flyer
03-12-2008, 03:58 AM
Cool! I wish there where joysticks like that available over the counter.

WTE_Ibis
03-12-2008, 04:19 AM
Actually there is, can't find the link but someone will I'm sure.
You may need near a thousand Euros though.


Found it. there you go, you have to buy the base then the stick replica.

http://www.valiant-studio.eu/tarmac/html/en/hangar.php


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GIAP.Shura
03-12-2008, 04:45 AM
In many of the cockpits in IL-2 you can actually see the buttons on the control column and see them activated. If I recall correctly, you can see this on the Hurricane stick and I know for sure that on the IL-2 stick you can see the safety covers flip up when you launch your external ordinance.

crucislancer
03-12-2008, 08:46 AM
Some of the Japanese navy planes, the Zero and the George for sure, had the cannon trigger on the throttle. The animation is in the game, though it's hard to see at times.

Haigotron
03-12-2008, 04:20 PM
Now that's a stick, I'm ashamed of my own short stick now...

Schwarz.13
03-12-2008, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Haigotron:
Now that's a stick, I'm ashamed of my own short stick now... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

http://www.accoutrements.com/images/products/10884.jpg

kid_SA
03-13-2008, 11:36 AM
thanks guys. Very helpful. That KG13 shot is the clearest I've seen yet. Hum, interesting. Is that a pinky switch I see there, or just a nut/bolt/screw sticking out?

The planes with many, many guns like the Hurri, what kind of trigger does it have?

Ok, back to the drawing board to hash it out. Thanks again!

Metatron_123
03-13-2008, 02:38 PM
I believe in the Hurricane it's one button for all guns. Check it out in the game.

Friendly_flyer
03-13-2008, 03:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Metatron_123:
I believe in the Hurricane it's one button for all guns. Check it out in the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is. It had a simple brass button with a rim around it that could be turned to "safe" or "fire". The later British fighters with spade grip and multiple types of guns had two square buttons in the same position, allowing you to push either one (MGs or cannons) or bout at the same time. Take a look at the Spitfire stick in-game.

Sokol__1
03-13-2008, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hum, interesting. Is that a pinky switch I see there, or just a nut/bolt/screw sticking out? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the KG13-B grip have a pinky button, for Push to Talk.

And sometimes, one more adictional switch:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9773/fl47919qe5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

WWII grips with more than 2 buttons:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5980/wwiigrip6yy.jpg

Sokol1

bolox00
03-13-2008, 04:20 PM
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/bolox00/spitcockpit.jpg
British mg/cannon button spit/hurri- rock up for 1, down for other and mash it in for everything. might be fun to model that tho
40mm cannon on hurri mkIV fired from button on throttle

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/bolox00/1_4.jpg

showing kg13 front- yes it is a pinky switch

kid_SA
03-17-2008, 11:48 AM
that's awesome. Great pics. Thanks a lot guys.