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WilhelmSchulz.
08-04-2007, 01:21 AM
There is no news articel to go with this but I heard over the raido that the US goverment acedntly sold Iran F-14 parts(planes?) resently labled "surplus" to Iran. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Folks you cant make this stuff up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I just want to know who the made that mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
08-04-2007, 01:21 AM
There is no news articel to go with this but I heard over the raido that the US goverment acedntly sold Iran F-14 parts(planes?) resently labled "surplus" to Iran. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Folks you cant make this stuff up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I just want to know who the made that mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Celeon999
08-04-2007, 07:26 AM
Hmmmm .....accidently sending plane parts to the middle east ?

I wonder what this looks like.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


U.S NAVY WAREHOUSE 0800 ZULU TIME

SOMEWHERE IN THE USA


John :

"Hey Mike !" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

"What about those crates of F-14 spare parts ?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif


Mike :

"Oh yes, almost forgot them, we need to ship them to that other warehouse in Eheran, Missouri" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

John :

"Do we have stickers for Eheran or do i need to write the adress on every single crate ?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


Mike :

"I fear they are out"

"Just take some from the desk in my office..... but dont forget to cross that T out first !" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

John :

"Okeydoke" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



TWO WEEKS LATER

SAHRANI REVOLUTIONARY GUARD BASE , TEHERAN ,IRAN

0900 MOHAMMED TIME


Abdul :

"By Allah !" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Goose_Green
08-04-2007, 07:35 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

As usual Celeon who have us rolling on the floor laughing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Who said that German's don't have a sense of humour? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

MarkSynthesis
08-04-2007, 08:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
There is no news articel to go with this but I heard over the raido that the US goverment acedntly sold Iran F-14 parts(planes?) resently labled "surplus" to Iran. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Folks you cant make this stuff up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I just want to know who the made that mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course, this is in addition to all the parts we deliberately sold to Iran, back when the Shah was our puppet-dictat....I mean, our loyal ally. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

gsc67
08-04-2007, 09:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
There is no news articel to go with this but I heard over the raido that the US goverment acedntly sold Iran F-14 parts(planes?) resently labled "surplus" to Iran. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Folks you cant make this stuff up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I just want to know who the made that mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmm.... You heard it on the radio... and "They" just cant make stuff up ! Are you a loyal Air America fan ? Cause if you beleive everything you hear on the radio... I have about 4000 shares of Halaberton that are still very valuable and I will sell them to you cheaply ! Come on now ! Thats like saying CNN is straight forward and down the middle !

Celeon999 ... Thats a riot !! Thats basicaly our US Postal Service as is !

Scape_G
08-05-2007, 12:57 AM
Most Recovered (http://voanews.com/english/2007-08-02-voa42.cfm)

PhantomKira
08-05-2007, 01:10 AM
I've heard that when the US pulled out of Iran following the overthrow of the Shah, the F-14s mysteriously lost a vital part of their fire control systems, in every single plane, making them all but useless as fighter/interceptors. Obviously this was the work of the Grumman people, who weren't about to see one of the most advanced weapons systems in the world fall into enemy hands. No one has claimed responsibility to this day.

Even so, the aircraft are extremely maintenance intensive, and unless you know what you're doing, it's unlikely that you'd be able to keep them flying for long (hence the presence of Grumman people in-country in the first place). Therefore, even if the parts are critical, it's unlikely that there are many people with knowledge on the subject who are capable of fixing the aircraft. On the other hand, the aircraft have most likely been in desert storage, and could in theory be brought back to flying condition without to much difficulty.

Not to mention the fact that the host country (USA), the only other operator of the aircraft, has since ceased flying them, and won't be likely to support any efforts to get them flying again (at least not intentionally http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif.

MarkSynthesis
08-05-2007, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhantomKira:
I've heard that when the US pulled out of Iran following the overthrow of the Shah, the F-14s mysteriously lost a vital part of their fire control systems, in every single plane, making them all but useless as fighter/interceptors. Obviously this was the work of the Grumman people, who weren't about to see one of the most advanced weapons systems in the world fall into enemy hands. No one has claimed responsibility to this day.

Even so, the aircraft are extremely maintenance intensive, and unless you know what you're doing, it's unlikely that you'd be able to keep them flying for long (hence the presence of Grumman people in-country in the first place). Therefore, even if the parts are critical, it's unlikely that there are many people with knowledge on the subject who are capable of fixing the aircraft. On the other hand, the aircraft have most likely been in desert storage, and could in theory be brought back to flying condition without to much difficulty. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, same I heard. Besides a puppet dictator and the removal of their democratic government, another gift of Operation Ajax was a lot of military hardware to help secure the region and prop up the puppet dictator.

There were a still a few F-14s flying, however, in 1988--or at least, that's what the the US Navy claimed, when they shot down Iran Air Flight 655 over the Persian Gulf.

Apparently, the missile-destroyer USS Vincennes couldn't distinguish between an Airbus A300 and a F-14 Tomcat. 290 dead... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

gsc67
08-05-2007, 12:10 PM
Theres more to that story....

The officers identified the flight profile being flown by the Airbus A300B2 as being similar to that of an F-14A Tomcat during an attack run; the commercial flight had originated at Bandar Abbas, which served dual roles as a base for Iranian F-14 operations and as a hub for commercial, civilian flights. According to the same reports, the Vincennes tried more than once to contact Flight 655, but there was no acknowledgement. Not uncommon at the time ... for the Royal Fleet had the same problem many times.

TigerShark808
08-05-2007, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
There is no news articel to go with this but I heard over the raido that the US goverment acedntly sold Iran F-14 parts(planes?) resently labled "surplus" to Iran. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Folks you cant make this stuff up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I just want to know who the made that mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe the United States is trying to get the IRANIAN AIR FORCE air bound so they can shoot them down? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MarkSynthesis
08-05-2007, 04:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gsc67:
Theres more to that story....

The officers identified the flight profile being flown by the Airbus A300B2 as being similar to that of an F-14A Tomcat during an attack run; the commercial flight had originated at Bandar Abbas, which served dual roles as a base for Iranian F-14 operations and as a hub for commercial, civilian flights. According to the same reports, the Vincennes tried more than once to contact Flight 655, but there was no acknowledgement. Not uncommon at the time ... for the Royal Fleet had the same problem many times. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup. So much for 'state of the art', huh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

gsc67
08-05-2007, 05:13 PM
There is something special about the Left Wing'ers...they cant build... they dont fund...but they always complain about it ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

MarkSynthesis
08-05-2007, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gsc67:
There is something special about the Left Wing'ers...they cant build... they dont fund...but they always complain about it ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

*shrugs* Dunno about that, but I've always been opposed to three hundred civilian deaths. Especially due to military error.

gsc67
08-05-2007, 08:11 PM
Im not fond of that myself....funny how the "marter" effect works when they do not respond to the repeated attempts at radio call... Oh yeah !! Must be the pilots did not understand ! It happened way to often back in the 80's and early 90's where they just paid not attention to radio contacts... Shrugs...Some third world countries will always be half-*** and because of it things will happen. Sad... yes. It was not the first and it will not be the last.

WilhelmSchulz.
08-05-2007, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarkSynthesis:
There were a still a few F-14s flying, however, in 1988--or at least, that's what the the US Navy claimed, when they shot down Iran Air Flight 655 over the Persian Gulf.

Apparently, the missile-destroyer USS Vincennes couldn't distinguish between an Airbus A300 and a F-14 Tomcat. 290 dead... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok Hijack time.

Iran Air Flt. 655 was shot down by a over-agresive captian who disregarded personal reports saying other than what he wanted to hear.

Iran Air Flight 655 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655)

gsc67
08-05-2007, 09:34 PM
Wikipedia !!!! LOL..LOL...LOL....I'm glad you except that. I never will beleive anything from Wikipedia ! I will take the word of the short guy in N. Korea starving his people to death first ! Oh wait...according to Wikipedia... The US is to blame for that for not giving him free food so he can hand it out personally ! Yeah... thats the ticket ! I love this site... I get a good laugh everyday here ! Ya just cant make things up !! It was on the radio and on Wikipedia !!

WilhelmSchulz.
08-05-2007, 11:18 PM
Note Scrape_G's post it has a news article to back it up.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scape_G:
Most Recovered (http://voanews.com/english/2007-08-02-voa42.cfm) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

gsc67
08-06-2007, 09:45 AM
QUOTE:US goverment acedntly sold Iran F-14 parts(planes?) resently labled "surplus" to Iran


Nice article ! Now show me where it says we sold them to Iran... and that they are working parts for the F-14 TC ? You can give me 10 bolts, 3 screws, 25 shroud vanes, and a few o'ring cylinders... Does not mean I can do anything with them anymore. Not to mention that you left out all but a few were gotten back...
Tell the WHOLE story....

WilhelmSchulz.
08-06-2007, 12:16 PM
ummm. Did you evean look at the article? Because the quote is from my first post.

EDIT: also the reason I didint put in the part that we got them back was because I didint know that at the time.

gsc67
08-06-2007, 01:01 PM
Of course Wilhelm I read the article. That is why I am saying the US never sold the parts directly to Iran, nor does it say that in the article. They may have said that on the radio... but that is why I beleive very little what is covered on the radio... and then try to make factual statements using the radio or blogisphere as my sourse of reporting. In todays day an age...both the left and right are both BS artists.

Realjambo
08-06-2007, 03:55 PM
Ubisoft forums will not entertain politically driven or based discussions. This thread is losing it's focus and should that continue it will be locked.

Wilhelm, please consider the ramifications some of your threads may have in respect to the Ubisoft guidelines.

gsc67
08-06-2007, 04:21 PM
My bad RJ... It is not my intention of making this a politically based view...it was more of a info based. I will no longer have anything to say on it. Thanks

PhantomKira
08-06-2007, 05:04 PM
If I recall correctly, these were the only F-14s to have a paint scheme other than "Navy Grey", at least for a base. NASA (http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/F-14/) operated a few, but retained the base grey coat.

Certainly the only ones with desert colors, anyway.

Raptor22ADF
08-07-2007, 12:19 PM
Only problem is that the parts are for newer machines and they have old ones. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif