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Tecknoterrorist
02-24-2018, 10:26 PM
take any class and do this:


Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->ATTACK
Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint -> DODGE
Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint -> DODGE
Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->ATTACK
Feint -> DODGE -> Feint ->ATTACK
Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint!

if you feint well the enemy can die for heart attack

Dont worry about stamina, because the feint dont take a proper fatigue, is an extremly lowmind mechanics game.

Tank you Ubisoft for this ****

Devils-_-legacy
02-24-2018, 10:32 PM
Someones not happylol try light
them when they start feinting just throw out a light don't wait to see what they do unless they have hyper armour then it depends on the heros you use

Tecknoterrorist
02-24-2018, 10:39 PM
Someones not happylol try light
them when they start feinting just throw out a light don't wait to see what they do unless they have hyper armour then it depends on the heros you use

the problem is not how to stop the feintspammer. The problem is, this is a great game ruined by poor fight mechanic

Devils-_-legacy
02-24-2018, 10:40 PM
I like feinting it breaks up the game play specialy if youthe opponent starts to parry everything

Tecknoterrorist
02-24-2018, 11:08 PM
I like feinting it breaks up the game play specialy if youthe opponent starts to parry everything

This game need some more competitive mechanics not stupid spamming things

Devils-_-legacy
02-24-2018, 11:09 PM
If there spamming it then it's on you bro for falling for it repeatedly

Vakris_One
02-24-2018, 11:22 PM
take any class and do this:


Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->ATTACK
Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint -> DODGE
Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint -> DODGE
Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->ATTACK
Feint -> DODGE -> Feint ->ATTACK
Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint ->Feint!

if you feint well the enemy can die for heart attack

Dont worry about stamina, because the feint dont take a proper fatigue, is an extremly lowmind mechanics game.

Tank you Ubisoft for this ****
Man no wonder you get this salty if that's what you let yourself get owned by.

Tecknoterrorist
02-24-2018, 11:30 PM
Man no wonder you get this salty if that's what you let yourself get owned by.

no one get owned and noone get salty, is a fact. this game have poor fight mechanic. if you defend this mechanic you are a lowmind player or trashgameliker

Devils-_-legacy
02-24-2018, 11:41 PM
So does that make me a trash player then

Vakris_One
02-24-2018, 11:42 PM
no one get owned and noone get salty, is a fact. this game have poor fight mechanic. if you defend this mechanic you are a lowmind player or trashgameliker
Whatever you say dude. If you really think this game has trash fighting mechanics what's stopping you from leaving it?

Tecknoterrorist
02-24-2018, 11:48 PM
a

Tecknoterrorist
02-24-2018, 11:58 PM
So does that make me a trash player then
We are all trash player on this game, because all use the poor mechanic.



Whatever you say dude. If you really think this game has trash fighting mechanics what's stopping you from leaving it?

Because have a great characters graphic and i wait a new nonubisoftrash pvp game

Vakris_One
02-24-2018, 11:58 PM
have a great character graphic and i wait for another nonubisoftrash pvp game
So in the meantime you'd rather play this "ubitrashgaempoopookaka" and make useless rage threads on their forum. I'd normally say whatever makes you happiest but, clearly this doesn't make you happy so I am at a loss as to why someone would do this to themselves.

Devils-_-legacy
02-25-2018, 12:01 AM
Can I ask why it's a poor mechanic when it can be used effectively to gb a assassin who dodges early to bait a parry/deflect or to attack adds a layer of difficulty imo

Tecknoterrorist
02-25-2018, 12:03 AM
So in the meantime you'd rather play this "ubitrashgaempoopookaka" and make useless rage threads on their forum. I'd normally say whatever makes you happiest but, clearly this doesn't make you happy so I am at a loss as to why someone would do this to themselves.

I talk in a open forum and i talk because i pay for play a good game... and you have to do the same, pretend a good game, you should not philosophize about a player who thinks it's a trash game..
Or try to be objective... how you can see a game where the feint spam is a only way for play this game and think is a good game. try to explain me that. (sorry for my bad english)

Tecknoterrorist
02-25-2018, 12:09 AM
Can I ask why it's a poor mechanic when it can be used effectively to gb a assassin who dodges early to bait a parry/deflect or to attack adds a layer of difficulty imo

the poor mechanic is spam without lose proper stamina, force players to play only with free feint and dont with strategy. The spam is not a strategy in any game. So many old pvp game are balance because the programmers put CD in important skills for avoid the spam, for force player to think about attack and defence and make theyr own strategy.

sadly the new generation of players prefer EASY way than Strategy

Vakris_One
02-25-2018, 12:24 AM
I talk in a open forum and i talk because i pay for play a good game... and you have to do the same, pretend a good game, you should not philosophize about a player who thinks it's a trash game..
Or try to be objective... how you can see a game where the feint spam is a only way for play this game and think is a good game. try to explain me that. (sorry for my bad english)
I just don't agree with your approach to criticism because it's not constructive. You don't explain why you feel feinting is bad or why you think the fighting mechanics are trash and you don't offer any suggestions on how to improve it in your opinion.

My reasoning is simple, I don't see feinting as a problem. It is one of the tools at your disposal in order to catch your opponent out. There are ways to punish an over reliance on feiniting just like you can punish or counter any other move in the game. Guardbreaking them or using an unblockable are two such ways.

What problems do you find with feinting and how would you change the feinting mechanic?

Tecknoterrorist
02-25-2018, 12:49 AM
I just don't agree with your approach to criticism because it's not constructive. You don't explain why you feel feinting is bad or why you think the fighting mechanics are trash and you don't offer any suggestions on how to improve it in your opinion.

My reasoning is simple, I don't see feinting as a problem. It is one of the tools at your disposal in order to catch your opponent out. There are ways to punish an over reliance on feiniting just like you can punish or counter any other move in the game. Guardbreaking them or using an unblockable are two such ways.

What problems do you find with feinting and how would you change the feinting mechanic?

For improve this game mechanic just put CD on some skills or increase stamina drain from spamming skill to prevent ANY tipe of spam. Is not the feint the problem, the problem is, Feint is only way for play this game, you got the point now?
this game force player to use a poor mechanic for play because all are spammable and dont have many moves for fight.
SPAM is wrong, ubisoft have to make a many way for play not just one.
Try to play with more fighting option on this game and not only spam someskill or feint because the game mechanics is nailed by spam.
in a realistic fight, for feint an heavy attack you spend much more stamina for retake weapon back and redoing attack! feint spam is a nonsense mechanic.
If you have proper stamina drain and put some other way to play (like make more realistic the fightsystem with more medieval\edo\viking techniques)
Heavy and light attack in any direction.. infinite stupid combos for some heroes (like berserker and aramusha)dodge, parry, block and feint.. stop. no techniques
Look the fighting system of Kingdom come.. you dont need to feint spam for play, because that game is based on real medieval fight..
ubisoft must learn from that game and make this game better.

If assassins can dodgeattack, put some other move to prevent that not only feint\gb
if start a gb put some other moves for push back etc etc.
there is a many ways for make more HARD the fighting system this game.
Feint one, feint two time, at third you must be exausted.

Tecknoterrorist
02-25-2018, 01:29 AM
one classic scenario

Warden. Shoulder double tap, shoulder : if you dodge,he cancel into a free gb, if you dont dodge, he redoing double tap - shoulder etc etc, this fantastic mechanic can be repeated for 4 time, if you have good gear, you need just 3 time for kill.. wow... so wonderfull.

Devils-_-legacy
02-25-2018, 01:31 AM
I think you've dodged to early ill agree before the nerf a couple seasons back but not anymore

Vakris_One
02-25-2018, 01:58 AM
For improve this game mechanic just put CD on some skills or increase stamina drain from spamming skill to prevent ANY tipe of spam. Is not the feint the problem, the problem is, Feint is only way for play this game, you got the point now?
this game force player to use a poor mechanic for play because all are spammable and dont have many moves for fight.
SPAM is wrong, ubisoft have to make a many way for play not just one.
Try to play with more fighting option on this game and not only spam someskill or feint because the game mechanics is nailed by spam.
in a realistic fight, for feint an heavy attack you spend much more stamina for retake weapon back and redoing attack! feint spam is a nonsense mechanic.
If you have proper stamina drain and put some other way to play (like make more realistic the fightsystem with more medieval\edo\viking techniques)
Heavy and light attack in any direction.. infinite stupid combos for some heroes (like berserker and aramusha)dodge, parry, block and feint.. stop. no techniques
Look the fighting system of Kingdom come.. you dont need to feint spam for play, because that game is based on real medieval fight..
ubisoft must learn from that game and make this game better.

If assassins can dodgeattack, put some other move to prevent that not only feint\gb
if start a gb put some other moves for push back etc etc.
there is a many ways for make more HARD the fighting system this game.
Feint one, feint two time, at third you must be exausted.
The only viable suggestion you made is to increase the stamina cost of a feint. I don't necessarilly agree but that's fair enough. The rest is just you not liking the intrinsic nature of having a feint mechanic.

Mimicking the mechanics of a first person game like Kingdom Come is not gonna happen because it's a different type of combat for a completely different type of game. There is no feinting in Kingdom Come and you move much more freely than in For Honor - because it is an FPS. There is only block and attack (maybe a parry system, I'm not sure), scoring hits is heavily determined by your positioning, your aim and your timing. We cannot pin point our attacks on certain body parts like in an FPS game so without feinting all we'd have is two characters hammering at each other until one of them falls down. Pretty crap stuff if you ask me.

As for realistic fighting, in any kind of real life sword fighting the opponents aren't just throwing out attacks until one of them falls down. The combatants are constantly probing and poking each other's defences. They are most definitely going to make feints and make strikes from unexpected directions or redirect their attack by using the momentum from the startup or recovery of their previous motion akin to For Honor's soft feints.

Vakris_One
02-25-2018, 02:08 AM
one classic scenario

Warden. Shoulder double tap, shoulder : if you dodge,he cancel into a free gb, if you dont dodge, he redoing double tap - shoulder etc etc, this fantastic mechanic can be repeated for 4 time, if you have good gear, you need just 3 time for kill.. wow... so wonderfull.
Roll backwards, SB spam avoided before it even began. This isn't a feint by the way, it's a mixup mind game. It's not a very well designed moveset, I'll give you that.

When they rework Warden it should be heavily modified into something more fun and less cheap in my opinion.

Hammelsneid
02-25-2018, 02:59 AM
I love it everytime, when some self-entitled game-mechanics-specialist rants on forums in the most prefessional way about something, what's more important to the game than it seems on first sight. Just imagine what would happen, if this mechanic would not exist. Then you can't cancel a strike, then you have to swallow every single parry/deflect from every mid to high tier player and then what? Avoiding this new problem with another well thought mechanic, that's better than feinting?

And the (salty) way exaggerated amount of your mentioned feints is rediculous. If you want to feint plus dealing damage and using this mechanic to actually win a fight... with my zerker plus max stamina reg and stamina reduce you definitely can NOT feint nearly that much before running out of stamina and risking losing the fight because of exhaustion.

Just my two cents, have a nice day,
Hammelsneid

AkenoKobayashi
02-25-2018, 03:28 AM
I can shred a feint spammer with my Kensei. I'm not falling for your constant feinting, and my Swift Strike will hit you.

Knight_Raime
02-25-2018, 11:06 AM
If someone is repeatedly spamming feints in your face you can GB them.
Try learning how to counter things instead of blaming the game.
seriously.

Tecknoterrorist
02-25-2018, 01:46 PM
ok guys you right, this is the perfect pvp strategy fight mechanic game, best in the world dont exist another game perfect like this!
infact this game have few players because is to perfect! have to be a perfect player because the spam system is so wonderfull and hard to play!
The intire world dont consider this game because is the real perfection!
The spam sistem is the best way!IS THE FUTURE! sorry for not understand that!

Vakris_One
02-25-2018, 02:35 PM
ok guys you right, this is the perfect pvp strategy fight mechanic game, best in the world dont exist another game perfect like this!
infact this game have few players because is to perfect! have to be a perfect player because the spam system is so wonderfull and hard to play!
The intire world dont consider this game because is the real perfection!
The spam sistem is the best way!IS THE FUTURE! sorry for not understand that!
Nobody said it is perfect, we just don't agree that feinting in this game is a problem. But sure, go ahead and throw a kiddy tantrum because nobody agrees with you. You cannot possibly be wrong right? Nah, Technoterrorist knows more than anyone else!

Tirik22x
02-25-2018, 02:53 PM
You know what I do when I come across a serial spammer?

Swing my axes, and I don’t stop them.

Redkey.
02-25-2018, 02:57 PM
Amm. Let's speaking while staying on the ground. Probably, everything in this game could be countered. When you hosting a game with AI with a zero latency. But in PVP reality it's to latency-related. So, you can be easy GB while dodging because you did it right but your opponent is leaving in another time and you got GB from a past. So, it makes players, even those who have strong openers from dodge or very quick dodge, to just stay and fishing for parry or spamming light. So connection is a very huge issue, because we have mechanics with a pretty tight windows and timings.

And if you noticed, this mechanics is came from a fightings. And was broken at the start, because a guardbreak designed to work against a guarding (blocks).But right now it is a spammable ********, And you don't even need to use a proper direction to actually hit the block to stun th opp. No, it could be something, like new animation for an action, and for reaction not the same ****.

Tecknoterrorist
02-25-2018, 03:48 PM
Nobody said it is perfect, we just don't agree that feinting in this game is a problem. But sure, go ahead and throw a kiddy tantrum because nobody agrees with you. You cannot possibly be wrong right? Nah, Technoterrorist knows more than anyone else!

You cannot possibly be wrong right? Nah, vakris_one knows more than anyone else!
you prefer a kid lowmind spam game, i prefer competitive one
you defend this game because you dont know how to win without easy way.. this game have so many nosense fact and you are blind. if this game dont become better is because people like you want a trash game.
At launch this game lose 70% of players.. why?
This game are played by so few players.. why?
And you keep dont got the point. the problem is not feint, the problem is "spam" and force you to play only with feintspam!

If the stamina cost will be increase, force player to not spam, if you cant spam you can learn how to play with strategy,
change the useless active skills (catapult etcetc) in combat skills with CD

Alustar.
02-25-2018, 04:08 PM
Don't feed the troll!

Vrbas1
02-25-2018, 05:20 PM
He's right to an extent. I'm OK with feints here and there, but a lot of players cheese the balls off of it to where it just becomes annoying. Zerkers and Shamans are the main culprit, and Aramusha to a certain degree.

When every single attack that is thrown is feinted and your screen looks like the back of an ambulance with all the red flickers it gets tiresome because you feel like you're playing against a spaz.

bob333e
02-25-2018, 05:58 PM
He's right to an extent. I'm OK with feints here and there, but a lot of players cheese the balls off of it to where it just becomes annoying. Zerkers and Shamans are the main culprit, and Aramusha to a certain degree.

Gladiator. Gladiator, son. The feint master of all feint masters. He's flawed by design, that is. Much more so than Aramusha.

The recent Zerk was put in a worse place. Forcing to rely more on (faster) lights (which are now hyperarmored too). Instead of... trading heavy hits after a mixup game.

Shaman's only problematic feints are with Wildcat Rage and Predator Mercy. She shouldn't be able to feint/cancel those like that.

Vakris_One
02-26-2018, 04:04 PM
If you disagree with me then u iz trash player. I'm God tier super competitive player, u is scrub.

*some assumptions about players leaving and player numbers but no facts*
That about the gist of it?

70% of people left because of the P2P system. Do you have any numbers to back up your claim that "so few" play this game now? Must be just the devs and their friends that still play it right. Yeah, they keep tweaking the fight system, reworking heroes, making new seasons and new content for a dead game. That must be it....



If the stamina cost will be increase, force player to not spam, if you cant spam you can learn how to play with strategy,
change the useless active skills (catapult etcetc) in combat skills with CD
Most of us don't like the insta-kill abilities, you're not saying anything new there.

Feint spam isn't a thing in any mode that has gear stats turned off. 3-4 feint cancels in Duel and you're OOS. I wouldn't have a problem with increasing the stamina cost because it's not a problem for me either way, I'll just adapt like with everything else.

It's not going to make the game any more strategic though just because you can only do like 2 feints before draining your stamina. It will make the game a staring contest again and that I do have a problem with. Feinting is the counter to parrying, GB and fast lights are the counter to feinting. If you remove feinting's usefulness and make people throw out more slow telegraphed attacks then parrying will become super strong again and we'll get the turtle meta 2.0.

A fighting game where defence beats attack. If you think that will be an improvement then you don't understand this game even half as much as you think you do.

Vakris_One
02-26-2018, 04:16 PM
He's right to an extent. I'm OK with feints here and there, but a lot of players cheese the balls off of it to where it just becomes annoying. Zerkers and Shamans are the main culprit, and Aramusha to a certain degree.

When every single attack that is thrown is feinted and your screen looks like the back of an ambulance with all the red flickers it gets tiresome because you feel like you're playing against a spaz.


Gladiator. Gladiator, son. The feint master of all feint masters. He's flawed by design, that is. Much more so than Aramusha.

The recent Zerk was put in a worse place. Forcing to rely more on (faster) lights (which are now hyperarmored too). Instead of... trading heavy hits after a mixup game.

Shaman's only problematic feints are with Wildcat Rage and Predator Mercy. She shouldn't be able to feint/cancel those like that.
Shaman and Glad can be beaten out of their feints with a light if all they do is spam feint all the time. Zerker and Aramusha you should focus on blocking them. Zerker can be parried when he commits to a heavy or a dodge strike. Musha's lights can be parried if you're feeling brave or you can dodge strike him, trade with him or turtle him till he runs out of kit options.

Sir-Molestalot
02-27-2018, 09:17 PM
well i dont have a problem with feints im playing the game for around now 216hours im fairly new but what really bothers me is dashing.. for me dashing is more the problem tbh because it costs No stam or not that i know of, and now some ppl come again and say "well just GB them" how am i able to do that when they are below 1 second 180 degres behind me, im Flexible but i cant break my arms like that, what i would like to see is dashing gets a penalty in from of 5-6 stam points for cost and if your out of stam getting the Dizzy effect, so people would learn to use and manage Stam more Tacticly for once.i still dont know how your able to dash out of stam like a madman your out of Breath. like i said im a new guy but im a bit salty about all the Peacekeeperīs, aramusha`s ect. just dashing around the world and second thing i noticed, im to fast for GB for my taste you should be able to counter it assoon as the red shield pops up but well yea i guess i need to tone down my reactions a bit.. sorry for the brainstorm from me ! hope you all have a nice day

Alustar.
02-28-2018, 02:21 AM
well i dont have a problem with feints im playing the game for around now 216hours im fairly new but what really bothers me is dashing.. for me dashing is more the problem tbh because it costs No stam or not that i know of, and now some ppl come again and say "well just GB them" how am i able to do that when they are below 1 second 180 degres behind me, im Flexible but i cant break my arms like that, what i would like to see is dashing gets a penalty in from of 5-6 stam points for cost and if your out of stam getting the Dizzy effect, so people would learn to use and manage Stam more Tacticly for once.i still dont know how your able to dash out of stam like a madman your out of Breath. like i said im a new guy but im a bit salty about all the Peacekeeperīs, aramusha`s ect. just dashing around the world and second thing i noticed, im to fast for GB for my taste you should be able to counter it assoon as the red shield pops up but well yea i guess i need to tone down my reactions a bit.. sorry for the brainstorm from me ! hope you all have a nice day

The trick to landing more guard breaks is feinting to bait the dodge. If you see a particular player relying heavily on dodge, they are easy to pick apart because you cannot counter GB when caught. Soft feinting is great for this or, if the heavy doesn't allow for it, hard feint will work just as well. I'd say practice the maneuver first against a dummy so that you get the motions down.
I, however, am against making dodge cost stamina, they did enough with a pause in regen during dodge. If anything they need to reduce OOS dodge distance. As is, a miss read dodge is more damaging for an assassin than a miss read parry seeing as you can now CGB after a parry.

UbiJurassic
02-28-2018, 03:19 AM
Because the majority of this thread devolved into flaming, the community team has chosen to close this thread.