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SlowBurn68
04-12-2008, 09:32 AM
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-air-for...-down-flight-93.html (http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-air-force-shot-down-flight-93.html)


"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"


The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him):

"I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true.

The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."

SlowBurn68
04-12-2008, 09:32 AM
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-air-for...-down-flight-93.html (http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-air-force-shot-down-flight-93.html)


"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"


The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him):

"I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true.

The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."

VW-IceFire
04-12-2008, 10:16 AM
Interesting. I always figured thats what happened...fourth confirmed hijacked flight mysteriously crashes. No reason to cover it up...a difficult decision was made if this is what really happened.

DxyFlyr
04-12-2008, 12:17 PM
Not that it makes much difference one way or the other, but I think the story is a load of hooey.

MEGILE
04-12-2008, 01:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DxyFlyr:
Not that it makes much difference one way or the other, but I think the story is a load of hooey. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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MB_Avro_UK
04-12-2008, 01:34 PM
Hi all,

If the plane had been hit with a rocket, the debris trail on the ground would have extended for miles.

All that was left in FACT was a hole in the ground.

Still, don't let the FACTS get in the way of a conspiracy theory.

Oh, and the source was anon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Also, it dishonours the passengers who bravely fought the Terrorists. And there is plenty of FACTUAL evidence that they did this.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

VW-IceFire
04-12-2008, 02:02 PM
Well one way or another...in several more years we'll probably find out more of what happened. Stuff takes time to filter down and out.

Cajun76
04-12-2008, 03:57 PM
Interesting that the 1st Fighter Wing flies F-15s and now F/A-22 as well, but no mention of F-16s in their history.

Also, judging by the layout of the base on Google Maps, there would be no runway to cross for a group of F-16s already standing Alert. All flightline ops seem to be south of the active East-West runway. The North-South is either undergoing maintenance at the moment or is not used. The lack of approach and other marking and indicators makes me think that if it was ever active, it hasn't been for a long time. There's no overrun and building are very close to the north end.

Being on bases with C-130's, I don't know much weapons handling, however, an AGE mechanic rated to tow live missiles around the flightline would be quite unusual in my experience.

Also, for a "confession" dealing with Flight 93, the author puts [plane] from ["plane" crashed into the Pentagon] in quotations, which would refer to another "theory" about what really hit the Pentagon, according to conspiracy theorists.

The guy's blog is full of this stuff, and while being an avid reader of all manner of books and articles, I'm no expert, but the style of "confession" seems to match some of the other articles on the site, written by the blogger.

If I posted under a different name and wasn't thinking hard about it, I would write in the same style. Human nature.

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MB_Avro_UK
04-12-2008, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cajun76:
Interesting that the 1st Fighter Wing flies F-15s and now F/A-22 as well, but no mention of F-16s in their history.

Also, judging by the layout of the base on Google Maps, there would be no runway to cross for a group of F-16s already standing Alert. All flightline ops seem to be south of the active East-West runway. The North-South is either undergoing maintenance at the moment or is not used. The lack of approach and other marking and indicators makes me think that if it was ever active, it hasn't been for a long time. There's no overrun and building are very close to the north end.

Being on bases with C-130's, I don't know much weapons handling, however, an AGE mechanic rated to tow live missiles around the flightline would be quite unusual in my experience.

Also, for a "confession" dealing with Flight 93, the author puts [plane] from ["plane" crashed into the Pentagon] in quotations, which would refer to another "theory" about what really hit the Pentagon, according to conspiracy theorists.

The guy's blog is full of this stuff, and while being an avid reader of all manner of books and articles, I'm no expert, but the style of "confession" seems to match some of the other articles on the site, written by the blogger.

If I posted under a different name and wasn't thinking hard about it, I would write in the same style. Human nature.

My .002 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good .002 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

SlowBurn68
04-12-2008, 06:15 PM
Yea - Good point Cajun76.

R_Target
04-12-2008, 08:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DxyFlyr:
Not that it makes much difference one way or the other, but I think the story is a load of hooey. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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zardozid
04-12-2008, 08:39 PM
I don't believe it either... it sounds like a bluff to me. Most people never blink when their bluffing and this story never "blinks"...it just doesn't sound "natural" to me, its very, very composed.

BUT, I will say that I don't think that we have heard the whole story. I don't know what has been omitted from what we know and it might not be anything big like a "conspiracy"...but I think that their is more to the story.

The passengers on that flight are remembered as taking action against dangerous terrorists and sacrificing themselfs in the face of an uncertain future...they are remembered as hero's at a time when we really needed inspiration, and I don't think that should ever change...far to often we loose our hero's to the truth.

Do we always need to know the truth?

bun-bun195333
04-12-2008, 09:51 PM
I love the comment from an asshat who doesn't know what a transponder does.

Blogger cypherstone said...

I believe this Airman is telling the exact truth. That morning my wife and I were watching a TV broadcast that was 'live' with an emergency operator talking with someone on flight 93. The person onboard said something like "They're shooting at us; they've hit the wing", and the connection ended. To my knowledge, that was never rebroadcast. We've never heard anything about that conversation since, or talked to anyone who saw the broadcast. A few days later, my brother-in-law, an air-traffic controller, told us the USAF shot 93 down for certain. Many ATC's were monitoring USAF radio traffic. The official story is diversion and feel-good. To me, none of this diminishes the final moments of those loved ones lost on that black morning. We will best honor these fallen comrades by pressing for ALL the truth of September 11,2001. I think it's quite likely the pilots were not attacked by anyone, but had lost control of their aircraft to an overriding signal to their transponder.
9:34 PM

SlowBurn68
04-12-2008, 10:19 PM
You should see that GTE operator (supervisor) Lisa Jefferson now - Living large in Chicago. I guess the book she wrote was a best seller.

jadger
04-13-2008, 03:38 AM
one word: bullschit!!!

BSS_CUDA
04-13-2008, 07:09 AM
First off its a Cut and paste from a blog, that should be your first clue that indicates it's BS.

Second, this has never been reported on ANY news station anywhere. do you really think that if some left leaning news org could do something to harm our President they would have done so? which again indicates its BS.

Third, after 7 years not one person of the probably HUNDREDS that know about it, has come forward PUBLICLY and said anything about this, which again indicates its pure, total, and utter BS.

Forth, we all know that conspiracy theorists will say just about anything to smear the Government just as they did with the World Trade centers, which again indicates that this is just more BS.


P,S. there is an old adage, believe NONE of what you hear and only half of what you see.

huggy87
04-13-2008, 07:30 AM
Aaah.

I thought this was going to be the story of my roommate who accidentaly shot an AIM-9 in afghanistan. He didn't even realize it until he got back to the boat and the ordies were excitedly pointing at the empty rail.

Sillius_Sodus
04-13-2008, 10:15 AM
Ah, the start of fishing season...

DuxCorvan
04-13-2008, 11:52 AM
The whole thing sounds so screenplay-like it is laughable. It just don't cut it, guys. It only lacks two lines like:

JACK -"I did it, Joe. I did it." - (A tear is showing in his face)
JOE- (Kneeling) -"Nooooooooooo!"

Come on, what a bullsheet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

JarheadEd
04-13-2008, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by huggy87:
Aaah.

I thought this was going to be the story of my roommate who accidentaly shot an AIM-9 in afghanistan. He didn't even realize it until he got back to the boat and the ordies were excitedly pointing at the empty rail. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought this was going to be a safety center TFOA report (TFOA=Things Falling Off Aircraft)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/JarheadEd/Loose1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/JarheadEd/Loose2.jpg

Bremspropeller
04-13-2008, 02:10 PM
Is there any more info about those pics?
Looks like they're a bit older as the Hornet appearantly doesn't have the LERX-fences installed.

JarheadEd
04-13-2008, 10:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Is there any more info about those pics?
Looks like they're a bit older as the Hornet appearantly doesn't have the LERX-fences installed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh those are early pics all right,...but I don't know what boat they were on. No one was injured except for that AIM-9. And to go back on topic,.... It just reeks of carp.

skarden
04-13-2008, 10:52 PM
I'm gunna get pasted big time for this but i post cause I would really like to see some opposite idea's and evidence(which you guys would prob have)so here goes.....

IMHO flight 93 was NOT shot down,where it is i dont know but i challange anybody to post a pic of the crash site where you can see any and i mean ANY wreckage of an jet liner(not scrap metal).

I'm sorry but from what I'v seen (and i'v looked pretty hard) there has never been a single piece of wreckage produced,there are some pics of some scrap and a hole in the ground but thats it.

go look at pics of other big jet crash's(easy to find),bits of what was once clearly an airplane everywhere,even some of the really really bad crash's there are generally some piece lying around,(bits of wing,fuselage,engine)something.

So what do i think REALLY happened?I really dont know to be honest,I'v read some plausible idea's and some really really stupid idea's and in the end I dont know but i truely don't believe it was shot down and crashed where it was reported,maybe somewhere else,maybe not at all.

alright,pls show me where I'm going wrong or missinformed and ah.........bring the shizzle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

zardozid
04-13-2008, 11:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by skarden:
I'm gunna get pasted big time for this but i post cause I would really see some opposite idea's and evidence(which you guys would prob have)so here goes.....

IMHO flight 93 was NOT shot down,where it is i dont know but i challange ANYBODY to post a pic of the crash site where you can see any and i mean ANY wreckage of an jet liner(not scrap metal).

I'm sorry but from what I'v seen (and i'v looked pretty hard) there has never been a single piece of wreckage produced,there are some pics of some scrap and a hole in the ground but thats it.

go look at pics of other big jet crash's(easy to find),bits of what was once clearly an airplane everywhere,even some of the really really bad crash's there are generally some piece lying around,(bits of wing,fuselage,engine)something.

So what do i think REALLY happened?I really dont know to be honest,I'v read some plausible idea's and some really really stupid idea's and in the end I dont know but i truely don't believe it was shot down and crashed where it was reported,maybe somewhere else,maybe not at all.

alright,pls show me where I'm going wrong or missinformed and ah.........bring the shizzle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.noisetosignal.org/images/posts/lost1_crash.jpg
http://www.danieldaekim.org/graphics/lost-screencap.jpg
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/02/02/03n_lost_narrowweb__200x294.jpg

skarden
04-14-2008, 12:49 AM
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joeap
04-14-2008, 03:41 AM
Here you go:

Info on Flight 93 (http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/United_Airlines_Flight_93)

Big crash, many many small pieces apparently.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Crash scene
Flight 93 crashed into the ground, into a field that was a reclaimed strip mine.

State trooper, Tom Spallone said the plane was still smoldering at 12:30. He said officials were trying to keep people from scene and confirmed that there are no survivors. He said the "debris field spread over an area size of a football field, maybe two footballs fields." The impact of the crash was so severe that the biggest piece of debris he has seen there is no bigger than 2 feet.[6]

The plane left a crater 20 feet wide and 15 feet deep, churning up chunks of deep brown earth and scorching trees in the nearby woods. State Police sealed off a 15-square-mile area around the crash site as a crime scene. All that was visible to reporters escorted near the site were metal plane parts that glinted in the late-afternoon sun. "The biggest pieces were no larger than a phone book," said Pennsylvania State Police Cmdr. Frank Monaco.[2]

Debris
'"In a crash like this we can expect extreme fragmentation," said Dennis Dirkmaat, a forensic anthropologist and professor at Mercyhurst College in Erie, Pa., who was part of one of several search teams combing the site. Most of the pieces that remain of the jet are small. The biggest are the size of a telephone book, said Ed Persuhn, a member of the nearby Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department, which responded to the crash. Many of the smaller fragments - those the size of a dime or smaller - are covered by the dirt left from a huge cloud created by the plane's impact. Most of the airliner debris is contained within a 100-square-yard area around the crater. A secondary debris field stretches for a square mile beyond that. Two days after the crash, investigators broadened their search to a community eight miles away, where residents found bits of wreckage. That wreckage probably was spread by the cloud created when the plane crashed and dispersed by a 10 mph southeasterly wind, Crowley said. Some smaller pieces and papers belonging to passengers might have been carried even farther, Crowley said National Transportation Safety Board officials have told him.'[8]

The flight data recorder was found on September 13, around 4:50 p.m, in the main crater at the crash site.[9][10]
On September 14, the cockpit voice recorder was located, buried 12 feet in the ground.[11]
Most of the debris at the crash site was very small. Pieces found include an engine part.

Tim Lambert, who owns the land (164 acres total) where the plane crashed, lived in Harrisburg and came to Shanksville after the crash. He described his first visit there as "overwhelming and heartbreaking." He was absorbing the devastation when his escort, Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller, held up a quarter-size piece of metal. "As soon as he did that, you saw plane parts everywhere," Lambert says. Now, he can't help searching the ground every time he visits. "I don't notice the trees, the beauty of the land, the grass, or the snow," he says. "I just notice plane parts."[12]

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WN_Barbarossa
04-14-2008, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlowBurn68:
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-air-for...-down-flight-93.html (http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-air-force-shot-down-flight-93.html)


"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"


The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him):

"I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true.

The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AFAIK this is impossible.
First of all
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=3
Furthermore the National Guard's planes near Washnigton had no air-to-air missiles, so they best option would have been ramming the hijacked airliner.

skarden
04-15-2008, 06:51 PM
Cheers for that link joeap,heaps of information for me to go through that's very interesting to say the least.

cheers

fabianfred
04-15-2008, 09:09 PM
I don't believe a single word or event on 9/11 in the official conspiracy theory....
pentagon/media/planes hitting WTC/building 7/flight 93/9.11 commision.....

the bigger the lie the more it will be believed

Choctaw111
04-16-2008, 12:06 PM
I do think that the USAF was authorized and was going to shoot down that plane, but it went into the ground due to the heroic passengers efforts before the Air Force could get there. After the US government realized what was happening, and that there were more hijacked planes up there, the US was definitely willing, albeit regretfully, to shoot them down to minimize the casualties. Think about it. You shoot down a passenger plane, all the passengers and crew will lose their lives. If the plane crashes into a populated area, as was intended, everyone on the plane is killed as well as people on the ground.
Again, I believe it was the intention of the USAF to shoot down any more hijacked planes, but just couldn't get to that particular one before it crashed.
As far as that blog, I really don't believe that one. Unless the missile was fired as the passengers rushed the c0ckpit.

Pirschjaeger
04-16-2008, 12:58 PM
It might have been more believable if he said "They poked a hole in the Pentagon."

Fritz