PDA

View Full Version : Airworthy Sturmos?



msalama
02-19-2005, 02:04 PM
Do you guys know if there're any IL-2s still flying IRL?

msalama
02-19-2005, 02:04 PM
Do you guys know if there're any IL-2s still flying IRL?

Red_Russian13
02-19-2005, 04:53 PM
I don't know, but I'm sure someone here does. I'd like to see one if it were still flying.

msalama
02-19-2005, 06:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'd like to see one if it were still flying. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bloody h*ll YES me too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Precisely the reason why I asked actually! I tried to google about the matter as well but came up with el zilcho...

3.JG51_BigBear
02-19-2005, 07:18 PM
I've never heard of one but that would be amazing to see if there was one. In addition to the original question, does anyone know if a sturmovik has made it to the states and is on display anywhere?

GAU-8
02-20-2005, 01:25 AM
i cant find my book. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

its about cockpits of aircraft at the smithsonian air museum or something like that. if i recall correctly its the last aircraft in IL-2 in solid peice??.. or maybe last of its version. ill go dig around, i could be wrong. but YES! there is one at the smith http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt_Haddock
02-20-2005, 07:22 AM
Yep. There is indeed an IL2 in the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum in the States.

The book you mention, Gau is: "At the Controls" (Long & Avino, NASM & Airlife Publishing, 2001). It has a brilliant picture of the Shturm cockpit, but I'm afraid it's not an airworthy example.

NASM's Il-2 was revovered in the early 1990s from a lake approximately 100 Km south of St.Petersburg (Leningrad). It is now though to have been one of a group of five Shturmoviks that force-landed on the frozen lake surface in January 1944 after losing their bearings in deteriorating weather, running low on fuel, and finding themselves behind German lines. The NASM Il-2 was partially restored before being donated to the museum. The cockpit area is complete

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh.jpg
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19banner.jpg

tjaika1910
02-20-2005, 10:12 AM
Last summer I read in the paper that an IL2 had crachlanded after an airshow in Russia. But the picture look more like a cargoplane and I reconded it was a typo for Li-2 (eg a DC 3)

STRIDER_EB
02-20-2005, 11:03 AM
Capt_Haddock,

As far as I know the NASM IL-2 is still in restoration at Garber. Is this correct? I didn't see it in Hazy last time I was there.

Friendly_flyer
02-20-2005, 11:26 AM
There's a Sturmovik being rebuild somewhere in North Norway (Bod√¬ł), though it remains to see if it will ever be airworthy.

Skarphol
02-20-2005, 12:36 PM
Friendly Flyer, check private topics!

Skarphol

msalama
02-20-2005, 03:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There's a Sturmovik being rebuild somewhere in North Norway (Bod√¬ł) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah-ha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Those guys will then just have to put up with me some pretty summer day, when I drive over from Helsinki, Finland to have a look http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nah but seriously, that's great news - and hopefully us punters can see the aircraft somewhere in the future, too...

GAU-8
02-21-2005, 12:04 AM
YES! i found my book .."at the controls" .. book about the cockpits.

it was in the bathroom, on the toilet tank cover.

fitting......

WOLFMondo
02-21-2005, 04:00 AM
Can't remember the name but theres a huge museum in Russia where theres quite a number of WW2 VVS planes, im sure they have one there, maybe not flying though, someone posted a linky to it a while ago.

crazyivan1970
02-21-2005, 05:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Can't remember the name but theres a huge museum in Russia where theres quite a number of WW2 VVS planes, im sure they have one there, maybe not flying though, someone posted a linky to it a while ago. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be Monino airforce museum. It has both, IL-2 and IL-10 but unfortunately none of them is flyable. To be honest with you, i don`t believe there is flyable IL-2 anywhere in the world. Which is a shame, really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://www.moninoaviation.com/

http://www.moninoaviation.com/8a.jpg

Friendly_flyer
02-21-2005, 05:55 AM
CrazyIvan, is that a plane with it's original paint?

crazyivan1970
02-21-2005, 06:35 AM
I would think so, maybe refreshed few times, since it`s sitting outside... it`s IL-10 the Beast...

WOLFMondo
02-21-2005, 07:13 AM
Thats the one!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I wish they'd put some of those planes in hangers rather than letting them slowly rot in the elementshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. I guess its boils down to money...

crazyivan1970
02-21-2005, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Thats the one!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I wish they'd put some of those planes in hangers rather than letting them slowly rot in the elementshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. I guess its boils down to money... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe IL-2 is in the hangar, along with La7 that belong to Kozhedub. Not sure why they didn`t upload pics of all aircraft that is in the museum. They are much more planes in there then in this gallery. Pe-2, Yaks, La7, IL-2 and few others.

WOLFMondo
02-21-2005, 10:24 AM
Theres some sites that link from it that have allot of images. Still a shame to see all those planes in that state.

http://www.monino.ru/img/ruavia/all_2.jpg
Can even see a B25 and an A20 in that lot.

Taylortony
02-21-2005, 11:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tjaika1910:
Last summer I read in the paper that an IL2 had crachlanded after an airshow in Russia. But the picture look more like a cargoplane and I reconded it was a typo for Li-2 (eg a DC 3) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are correct it was indeed the LI_2 the sole flying one as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

There are no Sturmoviks flying, there are also several IL-10 and IL-2 in the Beijing museum

see the list

http://www.ruudleeuw.com/datangshan.htm
http://www.njahof.org/china.htm
http://www.skyviking.com/skysoul.html
jim pearce imported some into the uk a few years ago and they were being rebuilt to flying condition i have pics somewhere of the parts in the uk

crazyivan1970
02-21-2005, 11:49 AM
Man those birds in the pretty sad shape http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

msalama
02-21-2005, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>the sole flying one as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sadly, yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But we might still see one flying again (http://www.douglasdc3.com/li2/li2.htm) in the future (check the mid-page or so). Hope they get it finished - would be SO cool to see this venerable Russian offspring of Donald Douglaski in its true element someday, now wouldn't it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(& hopefully that Norwegian rumour about the _Ilyushin_ is true too...)

Taylortony
02-21-2005, 04:09 PM
Please remember these are a small part of the collection the P 6- they had is on the way to the us for rebuild to flying status, but a lot of the better and rarer stuff is parked inside in a hangar underground............ if it was not for the likes of these they would be lost... got to airliner.net and do a check on other illusyiuns there are literally loads of them surviving http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

if it wasnt for the likes of china we would never be able to see stuff like this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif remember that... a lot of the stuff outside is copies of what is hangared and is often waiting its turn at being worked on

http://www.aeroplaneart.com.au/Images/JSJ_China_11.jpg

CRSutton
02-21-2005, 04:42 PM
If there is an IL2 in the Smithsonian collection, I do not believe it is under restoration. Current projects now include a HE 219 Owl and a nice pre war navy float plane but I don't recall any IL2s. Although, the Smithsonian has a large collection of unrestored planes, current budget limitations prevent the restoration of only a few at at time and many, sadly, will never be restored in our lifetimes.

Also, the Smithsonian guidelines do not consider flyability an inportant aspect of their restoratation. That is, they are more concerned with historical accruacy over flyability and will use original parts first if they are available rather than remade parts that may be structurally better. Not to say one is better than the other. It is just different instiutions and ideas about restoration.

It is a little different from say, the Confederate Air Force which places an emphasis on flyable planes and the air show circut. They of course, want historical accuracy but have to compromise at times to make sure the planes are safe to fly.

Here is a little footnote. The Smithsonian owns the only GO 229 left. It is unrestored and there are no near term plans to restore it. My understanding is that some years ago the German government offered to take the plane and restore it for the Smithsonian. However, the powers to be at the Smithsonian balked at the idea for fear that the Germans would reneg and never return it. So sadly it remains unrestored.