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Ugly_Kid
02-02-2007, 01:29 PM
I got it running right and proper and it runs like Forrest Gump. I got my whole battery of Joysticks to work, I could map this and that on the buttons and hats and it runs smooth as babys buttocks. It beats Winblows performance like no tomorrow.

And guess what this on 64bit linux now do the opposite to a 32bit linux game on 64bit Windows http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The final straw was Qjoypad utility that maps joysticks to keypresses.

Now if I could only get the lobby to run under wine I'd be even happier camper. I reckon I need to buy another crate of Montepulciano D'abruzzo 2004.

Oleg why do you bother with windows at all? The performance is next door...

Ugly_Kid
02-02-2007, 01:29 PM
I got it running right and proper and it runs like Forrest Gump. I got my whole battery of Joysticks to work, I could map this and that on the buttons and hats and it runs smooth as babys buttocks. It beats Winblows performance like no tomorrow.

And guess what this on 64bit linux now do the opposite to a 32bit linux game on 64bit Windows http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The final straw was Qjoypad utility that maps joysticks to keypresses.

Now if I could only get the lobby to run under wine I'd be even happier camper. I reckon I need to buy another crate of Montepulciano D'abruzzo 2004.

Oleg why do you bother with windows at all? The performance is next door...

flox
02-02-2007, 01:34 PM
Two words: Market Share.

bazzaah2
02-02-2007, 01:40 PM
that sounds like a bit of effort that's worth making. Going to check that out!

some other words: abuse of market power.

Agamemnon22
02-02-2007, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
I got it running right and proper and it runs like Forrest Gump. I got my whole battery of Joysticks to work, I could map this and that on the buttons and hats and it runs smooth as babys buttocks. It beats Winblows performance like no tomorrow.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you quantify "no tomorrow"? Seriously, what kind of gain did you see?

Ugly_Kid
02-02-2007, 03:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Agamemnon22:
Can you quantify "no tomorrow"? Seriously, what kind of gain did you see? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it's something like "whereas you can still beat the AI opponents in Windows well on the way through the second bottle of Merlot they are flying circles around you under linux."

With other words no stutters no thinking breaks for OS, no diashow. just simple pure brutal power. Can't nail it down to concrete fps numbers as I am not much to benchmarking - but yes there's difference. Funnily water did not seem to have that black circle corruption either http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Hmm... bug fix? switch OS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Maybe about 5-10 fps average better...

crazyivan1970
02-02-2007, 03:43 PM
Congrads Kid, are you the only one out there who made IL2 run on Linux?

Ugly_Kid
02-02-2007, 04:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Congrads Kid, are you the only one out there who made IL2 run on Linux? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, there are quite a few before me - it seems to be actually quite popular on linux community. I am using two distros Gentoo and Ubuntu and you can find people talking about IL-2 on forums of both distros on gaming group. If you look at the wine supported games you'll notice that IL-2 ranks quite high - pretty unproblematic. For this reason I'd assume a linux native IL-2 would not be that difficult to compile.

My personal breakthrough here was the joysticks and getting the assignments to correspond windows. This was for me no small feat since I have been using some 3rd party software that allows me to map keypresses and mouse movement to joystick buttons and POV. Now playing offline is just as good as in Windows, except performance is better.

If I get the lobby to work under linux I'll take the small IDE disk I have for windows 2000 and few haphazard games and use it as a weight for my fishing net.

tagTaken2
02-02-2007, 04:47 PM
TrackIR?

I'd swap now.

BR_Pistoll
03-06-2007, 03:26 AM
Anyone got a good step by step work through for getting HL to launch and then launch the game?
I can't seem to get HL to launch- YET! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

I got 4.08m to work good in Beryl on Ubuntu 6.10, using wine 9.31and2 by copying 'il2 Sturmovik 1946' folder from my working XP installation (complete with no cd crack) into my Linux /home/USER/.wine/c/Program files folder .

Can't get my Cyborg Evo stick to work, anyone got a fix for that?... oh, and of course if anyone has got TrackIR working...?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Pic of IL2 + Beryl desktop:
http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots.php?iAppId=1838&iVersionId=7102


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TheBandit_76
03-06-2007, 06:53 AM
Two words: Apple Computer

NetDaemon
03-06-2007, 07:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheBandit_76:
Two words: Apple Computer </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Two words: proprietary **** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

MEGILE
03-06-2007, 07:43 AM
one word: you nice?

The day more games developers support Macs, and Linux gets a user interface it doesn't take a decade to figure out... I'm all over it.

BrewsterPilot
03-06-2007, 07:45 AM
I've got Ubuntu installed together with XP.
Is there a step by step guide on how to get IL2 to work somewhere?

BSS_AIJO
03-06-2007, 07:56 AM
hmm,

you all might not know this but probably nearly all of the posts to the form here by me have been made from a Linux workstation..

Getting Il2 with full network support trackIR and Teamspeak would pretty much rock my world. You can bet that your picking up speed in places liek the lack of a nasty HAL and far better thread managment. Far better mempry managment, a faster file system and a lack of a stupid bloated registry that slows everything down. The user interface is also non-suck. Its clean and simple. 8^)

When BOB comes out I would be super happy if I could at least run a server on linux. Being able to do that would make it very easy for me to run a dedicated server on HL.. It would also be easier to run one thats really fast. As for Il2, I dont expect it. That would have been a thing to do 5 years ago.. Now is the time to look forward to BOB...

Finally, I games will probably have a better deal on vista. They have gutted the HAL and dumped the registry. Heck those two alone should result in a speed up.. 8^)

+ DX10

BSS_AIJO

Ugly_Kid
03-06-2007, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
I've got Ubuntu installed together with XP.
Is there a step by step guide on how to get IL2 to work somewhere? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Install wine - you'll get latest .deb files for ubuntu from www.winehq.com (http://www.winehq.com) - not all work perfectly - I can vouch for 0.9.31

One that should work is copy your IL-2 installation from XP partition to your linux partition, for example, under your home directory. Change the rights for that directory with chmod -R u+wr &lt;directory&gt;

Possibly it works also now with complete DVD installation since previous problems with installation were related to cd change during install. (in this case wine &lt;cdrom directory&gt;/setup.exe)

you need rts.dll or alternative ways to circumvent CD-check.

You'll have to change version of windows to 2000 for both il2 executables in the directory with winecfg.

You need to check that your sticks are supported by linux and then create softlinks from /dev/input/js* to /dev/js* for each stick.

That's about that.

Ugly_Kid
03-06-2007, 10:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BR_Pistoll:
I got 4.08m to work good in Beryl on Ubuntu 6.10, using wine 9.31and2 by copying 'il2 Sturmovik 1946' folder from my working XP installation (complete with no cd crack) into my Linux /home/USER/.wine/c/Program files folder .
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't beryl seriously impacting the game performance? I always switch to metacity for playing...

As for HL it is very difficult - try your luck with the hyperlobby forum.

BR_Pistoll
03-07-2007, 02:30 AM
I have a good system - AMD64 +3700@ 2574mhz+ 1Gb Corsair+ O/Ced 7600GT Golden sample -
Beryl is surprisingly good on performance when zooming back into 'cube' mode and changing desktop, the animations seem to slow it down the most.
It works with the game running just as it does with any other window, beat the hell out of 'Alt-Tab'ing out using windows!! which makes my system grind.

Heres a GREAT starter 'How to' guide for Linux Ubuntu 6.10 - type Ctrl + F and type beryl in the find box for a great step by step Guide (including script)for installation.
http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy

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Chris0382
03-07-2007, 08:41 AM
Ide like to install linux on my other hard drive but wouldnt even know were to start.

Would it work with the Xtremegamer sound cards and 2 sets of controls.

You dont know how much I detest the MS monopoly and and have the world bowing down to them. Wondering if MS would become a new hitler of the computer world.

BR_Pistoll
03-09-2007, 09:12 AM
...oh you mean Creative Xfi Extremegamer sound card - i have Xfi ExtremeMusic card and no at the moment there is no Driver that i'm aware of (but it is just a matter of time)

I have duel boot - XP uses the Xfi and Ubuntu uses the onboard (think its Realtek) AC3 sound chip, so i always have sound but i have to move the speaker jack back and forth depending which OS i'm booting into. i think Ubuntu 6.10 has an AC3 Realtek (NVidia onboard sound)driver in its installation package already - in fact Xfi sound cards seem to be the only main stream cards not supported in Linux YET!

as for controllers, i thought i was going to have trouble getting my Cyborg Evo working but it works fine 'ish' with no driver or software! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

had IL2 46 (4.08m) working with perfect settings last night, the FPS averaged around 50 and 37 was the minimum. in XP i get an average of 60 and 0 is the min.
Flying over the sea with water set to 1 - in XP i always get tiny little pauses possibly due to less free RAM or the Antialiasing set to x4,(which i haven't found any setting options for in Ubuntu yet) the same flight in Linux was much smoother with no pauses!
Still haven't embarked on the long road to getting HL running in Linux yet...

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RAAF_Mako
03-16-2007, 09:01 AM
I got HL working with no problems using the hyperlobby installer after setting wine up using the winetools package. http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/

fuzzychickens
03-16-2007, 09:46 AM
No worries. Some day a form of linux WILL replace windows.

I know it to be true, you do, and Microsoft knows it too.

Microsoft certainly is planning for it and is expanding into other markets.

BillyTheKid_22
03-16-2007, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheBandit_76:
Two words: Apple Computer </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif words: Apple Computer!!!

I know!!!! TheBandit_76, Apple Computer is VERY GOOD!!! Very Smooth!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Brother !!!

bazzaah2
03-17-2007, 04:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris0382:
Ide like to install linux on my other hard drive but wouldnt even know were to start.

Would it work with the Xtremegamer sound cards and 2 sets of controls.

You dont know how much I detest the MS monopoly and and have the world bowing down to them. Wondering if MS would become a new hitler of the computer world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not sure about your card but check out ubuntu forums; the folks there are pretty helpful and Ubuntu is a nice easy distribution of Linux to get along with - I use it so it must be!

Start here:

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu

You need to make a CD image and install onto your spare HDD - when you install Ubuntu you will be prompted and asked where it should install so you should be able to avoid writing over your Windows install. You can also run from the CD to see whether you like it, though it's not as quick as having it on your HDD.

You will be able to start either OS when you boot up.

Ugly_Kid
03-17-2007, 05:53 AM
Well the Ubuntu installation is actually booting the machine with LiveCD and then clicking on desktop icon of installing. However, it is already possible during running the livecd to see whether most of your peripherals are supported by kernel. Here for example, you should hear sound if Ubuntu supports that card. If you hear no sound you have a difficult task for a beginner of searching drivers and possibly compile a custom kernel. So see around on LiveCD modus before installing - the performance may be bit abysmal but that's another thing...

Chris0382
03-17-2007, 06:54 AM
thanks guys

I assume Ubuntu will run IL-2 as fast as wine

Spinnetti
03-17-2007, 09:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
one word: you nice?

The day more games developers support Macs, and Linux gets a user interface it doesn't take a decade to figure out... I'm all over it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I'm on Mac, and I just dual boot into winbloze to play IL2, then OSX for everything else...

I have an iMac at 1680x1050, and perfect mode is a bit slow, so I have everything cranked up except perfect landscape and get upper 30's FPS (falls into the 20's with Perfect mode).. Not perfect, but not bad either (X45,Trackir,CH PRo pedals all work fine too)

Ugly_Kid
03-17-2007, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
The day more games developers support Macs, and Linux gets a user interface it doesn't take a decade to figure out... I'm all over it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Frankly this is already affecting the hardware market - nvidia got quite an advantage over ati just because of better service also for linux - it certainly is a factor in my decisions what hardware to buy and so on.

Nowadays, most professional software gets ported to Linux and quite a bit of computing software particularly on clustering and HPC basis get Linux and less so in Windows.

I think the software producers also in the gaming market should be more aware that it could actually boost the sales. Even lesser game may sell on Linux because of the limited market, X-Plane certainly holds cards over FS in this area. In this respect it would be up to software publisheres like UBI to put the screws on programmers to code the games properly so that it would be more multi-platform, merely a matter of compilation. Well one can always dream http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif