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Mysticpuma2003
01-14-2007, 12:37 PM
I found this a while back on the net, but after searching for ages to track it down again, eventually I have.

When I first saw this, I straight away thought how cool it would be in IL2, but that was blown straight out of the water when you see that as you shoot an engine in IL2, there is one frame of animation before the train stops and turns black....realistic! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

So, although it's never going to happen in IL2, I would love to see similar effort put into train attacks, this to me (if you watch the video) is immersion in a combat sim. Steam bursts from the side of the boiler on each different pass of the attacking plane, really excellent.

Now with better graphics, this could be a ground attackers heaven!

Anyway the link is here, it's .wmv (so no codec issues) and is a tiny 1.6mb (I would advise not enlarging it above it's default size), perfect for the 56k/rs

BTW, exactly the same would be great on ship attacks, with a much more dynamic smoke and steam (think Silent Hunter III).

http://www.aqqm31.dsl.pipex.com/trainattack.zip

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Mysticpuma2003
01-14-2007, 12:37 PM
I found this a while back on the net, but after searching for ages to track it down again, eventually I have.

When I first saw this, I straight away thought how cool it would be in IL2, but that was blown straight out of the water when you see that as you shoot an engine in IL2, there is one frame of animation before the train stops and turns black....realistic! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

So, although it's never going to happen in IL2, I would love to see similar effort put into train attacks, this to me (if you watch the video) is immersion in a combat sim. Steam bursts from the side of the boiler on each different pass of the attacking plane, really excellent.

Now with better graphics, this could be a ground attackers heaven!

Anyway the link is here, it's .wmv (so no codec issues) and is a tiny 1.6mb (I would advise not enlarging it above it's default size), perfect for the 56k/rs

BTW, exactly the same would be great on ship attacks, with a much more dynamic smoke and steam (think Silent Hunter III).

http://www.aqqm31.dsl.pipex.com/trainattack.zip

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major_setback
01-14-2007, 12:56 PM
Those effects on the train are really nice.

I like the effects in that particular sim. I love the explosions too, it really is satisfying doing ground attack when you get to see everything realy blow up. Ground objects are very well rendered too.

I took the liberty of uploading it to Photobucket. I hope you don't mind.

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TheBandit_76
01-14-2007, 12:57 PM
Tall trees too.

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Rjel
01-14-2007, 01:07 PM
The visuals were really good, but talk about lawn mower sound effects. God, it reminded me I'm only a couple of months from having to mow the yard again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I hope we'll see larger explosion effects in BoB too. Some guncam footage shows massive explosions.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Monty_Thrud
01-14-2007, 01:25 PM
Yes,i would love to see bigger explosions and plumes of smoke when attacking Trains, Ships Ammo dumps, fuel containers, i was looking for some pics but can't find any at the moment.

I know its a FPS killer but COD2 seems to have it realistic and not a FPS killer...roll on BoB.

I've noticed in IL2 Aircraft can destroy Trains on the first pass but continue to attack for 3 or 4 more passes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BrewsterPilot
01-14-2007, 01:35 PM
That's the Firepower mod for CFS3... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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AWL_Spinner
01-14-2007, 01:54 PM
Whoa, train tracks three times wider than the train.

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major_setback
01-14-2007, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
That's the Firepower mod for CFS3... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sssshhhhh!

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01-14-2007, 02:41 PM
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Mysticpuma2003
01-14-2007, 03:47 PM
It's not a problem about the tracks, BoB I'm sure won't (dear god please) suffer from that, the effect I was hoping for is the engine actually steaming, steam coming from holes in the boiler, I mean it looks 'proper'!

At the moment, one bullet stops a train dead in IL2, and that's a real shame. But in BoB, with the enhanced graphics, this should be more than possible to create.

It's just so much more immersive.

That's why I posted it, it looks the way it should.

As far as sound goes, it's not about that, or that it's for CFS3, it's the fact that the guys chose to implement something that they new would enhance the game for the ground attackers, and I hope that the 1C guys will see, that, this is easily achievanle because their game is so much more superior!

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AWL_Spinner
01-14-2007, 03:57 PM
Yeah, I get that, the steam effects were very good, hopefully Oleg'll do better!

For an even more impressive thing to aim at for Battle of Britain, see the Dark Blue World clip in the thread of the same title on this forum (train attack starts 04:40).

Now THAT is slick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Copperhead310th
01-14-2007, 04:42 PM
And for God sakes Oleg make trians and ships, and stuff movable in dogfirght servers.

I distictly remember moving traisn on daogfight maps inthe original Il-2. then a patch came and *poof* they were gone!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Choctaw111
01-14-2007, 05:28 PM
I have CFS3 with the Firepower addon and I liked this effect very much...but not enough to keep it on my hard drive http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif This is the one of the few things done better in Firepower than in IL2 but that is pretty much where that list ends. Anyway, I keep saying that Oleg will certainly pay more attention to things like this in BoB especially given the fact that he is giving so much attention to vehicles this time around. He will surprise us all very much I am sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Mysticpuma2003
01-14-2007, 05:44 PM
Choctaw, that's a fair point, I no-longer have the game on my drive either, I am IL2 through and through, but I lament the lack of immersion in ground attacks, the war was fought on the ground as well as at 8000m, and this is, for me, an oversite, that with the new train models, would be a sight to behold, especially with the new camera views promised!

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Skycat_2
01-14-2007, 05:56 PM
The new Aircraft PowerPack with FirePower comes with a CFS3 compatible version of Shockwave's original P-51D for FS9. I've been considering installing CFS3 again w/ the 'new' FirePower just to try out this Mustang (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6758). (I also have the Sky Unlimited P-51B pack (http://www.skyunlimited.net/mustangs_cfs3_pics.htm) that has a couple of CFS3 variants that I've never tested, so this could be a lot of fun).

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Mysticpuma2003
01-15-2007, 06:19 AM
"Oh give me a home where the Thunderbolts roam, and the Mustangs and the Lightnings all play,
They can shoot and bomb trains, so the metal stresses and strains, and finally blast them away!"

C'mon you steam engines.....WHO WANTS SOME?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MadMacgunner
01-15-2007, 04:58 PM
Hi guys...
The graphics may seem great,an the animations too...
But what happens to those planes flying so low and those awesome maneuvers almost touching the trains and recovering again?
Too arcade for me...

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Waldo.Pepper
01-15-2007, 05:09 PM
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Mysticpuma2003
01-15-2007, 11:48 PM
Oh I agree Madmac with the plane movements, that is not what I am expecting to see in BoB, the discussion is about the damage effects being caused by strafing the train.

I mean look at the steam effects from the funnel and then the boiler spraying steam in different directions as it is pierced by bullets.

At the moment our steam ( I don't believe exists), and smoke rises in vertical columns, it doesn't drift....ever!

As I said above, it's all about immersion.

Now just imagine the new train models, with that steam effect, and the movement of the planes in BoB....now that will be special.

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major_setback
01-16-2007, 02:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MadMacgunner:
Hi guys...
The graphics may seem great,an the animations too...
But what happens to those planes flying so low and those awesome maneuvers almost touching the trains and recovering again?
Too arcade for me...

´Vista,suerte y al toro´
Garca Morato,spanish Civil War pilot </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's not the point http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Mysticpuma2003
01-17-2007, 11:42 AM
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Choctaw111
01-18-2007, 07:34 AM
That is why I am chomping at the bit for BoB. Ground attack will be what I have always dreamed! Ever since my first days of combat flight simming (back in the 80's) I have always wondered when we would finally get a sim where we could see realistic physics and believable damage models in the ground attack roles. I think that with BoB we will finally see this. I just imagine my first reaction when I dive down to strafe a train and see all the bullets hitting the locomotive and watching in jubilation as the impacts puncture holes in the boiler causing steam to shoot out and the bullets that miss kicking up dirt all around the track and seeing the tracers bounce into the sky! I will be smiling ear to ear and maybe even uncontrollable laughter will ensue out of the sheer joy of seeing what had just happened.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Foo.bar
01-29-2007, 11:22 AM
We wiil see how realistic trains will be...