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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:50 AM
Hey guys,

Welcome to BV's book club, ok not really, but I am adding a book page to my website. I have read only a small fraction of the better known Eastern Front books out there in print. I especially need small reviews for the following books. These are ones I desperatly need to read, but because of my current financial situation I can't go buying every one. Most of my WWII reading was on the Western Front and Pacific.

Each review should only be about 100 words. I just want to give the visitor a brief explanation of what they can expect from each book. If you would like to add a review please email it to me and I'll post it. jasonlvnv@aol.com Also, the page itself is under construction and will be up by this weekend. http://777AVG.com Thanks in advance /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:50 AM
Hey guys,

Welcome to BV's book club, ok not really, but I am adding a book page to my website. I have read only a small fraction of the better known Eastern Front books out there in print. I especially need small reviews for the following books. These are ones I desperatly need to read, but because of my current financial situation I can't go buying every one. Most of my WWII reading was on the Western Front and Pacific.

Each review should only be about 100 words. I just want to give the visitor a brief explanation of what they can expect from each book. If you would like to add a review please email it to me and I'll post it. jasonlvnv@aol.com Also, the page itself is under construction and will be up by this weekend. http://777AVG.com Thanks in advance /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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BV


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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:30 AM
bump once

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 03:14 AM
I have been told the osprey books can be a bit off with the technical data occasionally

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 03:18 AM
I like the Osprey books myself, I have the two volume set of FW 190 aces of the west and east fronts.........I would really like to get the black cross red star books....................One book that I LOVED but cannot find anywhere was a fictional book called "Juggernaut" about some guys on the east front......was really good!

One awesome book I just got was "Janes Fighting the LUftwaffe" or sopmthin like that....about the battles against the daylight bombers on the west front

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 05:09 AM
I read the Soviet Aces, P-39 Aces, Mustang Aces of the 9th & 15th & the RAF,P-40 Aces of the Med, Straffing Aces, Attack of the Aircobras,Benjamin O. Davis Jr. American, Tuskeegees Heroes and Lonely Eagles The Story of America's Black Airforce in WW2. All great reads. The Osprey books have those fantastic plates..... great for skinning references. I want to get the FW & Me Aces, British Aces and a few others as well....

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 05:13 AM
Bearcat,

How about a useful review of what you read buddy. Thats all I want really. I'm not asking much...just a quick review is all I require. Did I menton I am looking for useful blurbs??

BV

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 05:23 AM
I'll hit this tomorrow..its kind of late here and I am fried.... good idea though.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 05:35 AM
Most of them are in my wish list at Amazon, just haven't grabbed them yet, I just finished Soldat, Frontsoldaten, and I'm in the middle of Steel Inferno.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 05:46 AM
Ooh, Steel Inferno is a good one. So is Soldat.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 05:47 AM
I'd love to read Blakc Cross Red Star but I haven't had a chance to get it yet /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 05:59 AM
Panzzzz wrote:
- Ooh, Steel Inferno is a good one. So is Soldat.
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Steel Inferno is pretty damn heavy actually, allmost too many facts, Soldat was great and Frontsoldaten is amazing, it's kind of a study on the common German soldier using Journal entries, Letters and excerpts from autobiographies, it really gives a good idea of the hell German soldiers went through. No judgment is made on them, it just paints a desperate picture of the years of war, and the effect it had on the common foot soldier.



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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 06:11 AM
just black cross red star

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 04:12 PM
Bump one more time

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 04:17 PM
How about STUKA PILOT by Hans Ulrich Rudel? Talk about a kick-A$$ eastern front book. He sank the Marat, and destroyed over 500 russian tanks, in a stuka! He flew the stuka in daylight all through the war. Manuever-killed one of the biggest soviet aces in it. An account of what FB is all about, by someone that was actually there and lived it.


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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 04:21 PM
I'm in the middle of Black Cross/Red Star. You should also read the Gunther Rall biography. It doesn't go into a lot of details of his individual aerial combat victories (how could you with 275 of them). But it's a good insight into the man and what he and a lot of other LW pilots experianced on the Eastern Front.

michapma
06-18-2003, 04:27 PM
Burnin', 'till when would you like to have these reviews? I just bought "Attack of the Airacobras" but it looks like Bearcat will do that one. Might have something similar to the Warbird Tech series that I could quickly (and probably insufficiently) review.

What might interest you is that I also bought a hardcopy of the P-39 pilot's notes that you have linked on your site. Given time I want to make better scans, and you can link them from my site.

I also wish I could Vols. 1 and 2 of Black Cross Red Star at a reasonable price...

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 05:19 PM
The rule is this. The first one to get a quick review to me (about 100 words) any of the books I listed or similr books gets published on my site. Just type away! I just want let potential readers know what to expect. Thanks Mich.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 06:24 PM
I have read both volumes of Black Cross Red Star. Its virtues are that it is objective and, as far as I can tell, accurate. It contains a great deal of information on the Eastern Front in the air both as regards the organization of the forces involved and the operations and results of operations flown by the combatants. Its weaknesses are that it is a broad overview of the air war over the Eastern Front and lacks the intimate detail of many memoirs. It is the comprehensive history of the Eastern airwar but you cannot feel the agony of men, smell the odor of aviation fuel and cordite, nor share the terror of enduring a gound attack. A rough analogy might be that it is the equivalent of a History Channel documentary on D Day, not Saving Private Ryan.

I know not what course others may choose, but as for me, give me computer games or give me television!

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 11:15 PM
Yes, I have all those books except the Warvbird's Tech book (I've looked at it though).

All are worth the money.

"Attack of the Airacobras" is good. If you want nail-biting dogfight stories, skip it. But if you want a good general overview of the use of the Airacobra in one unit, its a nice book. It's biased though, using a lot of adjectives to describe the Nazis.

"Black Cross Red Star" is an excellent history on the air war on the eastern front. Volume one is extremely hard to find.

The two Osprey books are great short histories, like all the Opsrey series. Someone mentioned they are not good technical books, and he is right. Technical information is usually given int eh anecdotal sense by pilots.

The "Soviet Combat Aircraft" series is excellent. By far the best english language books on Soviet Aircraft (unless you get Putnum books -which are the best- on specific manufacturers). Well worth the money. In fact, I'd call these two books a necessity for an aviation library.

The Warbirds Tech series is ok. I haven't seen any that I am really compelled to buy.

Probably the best book availabe with specific technical information on the P-39/P-623 is "America's Hundred Thousand". It really is the only book "you need" on US production fighter. Another good book is:

"Cobra!: The Bell Aircraft Corporation 1934-1946"
Birch Matthews
ISBN: 0887409113
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Here's a summary:
Cobra! is a comprehensive, meticulously researched and fully documented history of Bell Aircraft Corporation and their piston engine fighters built during the Great Depression and through World War II. While the story centers on techincal aspects of the various fighters, significant attention is also devoted to those key individuals who conceived, built and flew these innovative designs. In addition to aircraft development, Cobra! surveys the combat use of the P-39 and P-63 fighters in the hands of American, French, Italian, and Soviet pilots. The story continues after World War II when a number of Bell surplus fighters were successfully modified for air racing.

Anoter good one (I don't own it, but may, and I have read a large portion of it):

"Stalin's Eagles: An Illustrated Study of the Soviet Aces of World War II and Korea"
Hans D. Seidl
ISBN: 0764304763
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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 11:24 PM
I have not read any of the ones shown here. This book is my favorite WWII aviation book from the last two years. Please keep in mind I do not own BC/RS but I realy really really wish I did.

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Another good but oddball one...


"Gray Eagles" by Duane Unkefer

ISBN: 0-380-70279-7

Is a splendid fictional read about some ex german guy who restors a bunch of late model ME-109's in the Arizona desert in the mid 80's and recruits some ex Luftwaffe pilots to fly them against US WWII planes that are part of a Confederate Air Force type group being led by an ex-nemesis from WWII.

It sounds campy but it it really is a fine read


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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:06 AM
the osprey books are a good read,maybe a little pricey and should'nt be taken as gospel but they're a good enough starting point..



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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 01:47 AM
Skychimp,

I can add both of those books. Cobra! and Stalin's Eagles both seem worthy. I'll add your blurb for Cobra! and I'l try to get a blurb for Stalin's Eagles.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 02:14 AM
A couple more:

"German Aircraft in Russian and Soviet Service
Vol.1 1914-1940"
Andrei Alexandrov
and Genadi Petrov
ISBN: 0764316753
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"German Aircraft in Russian and Soviet Service
Vol.2 1941-1951"
Andrei Alexandrov
and Genadi Petrov
ISBN: 0764316761
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These two books, by authors Andrei Alexandrov and Genadi Petrov, illustrated with many previously unpublished photographs, depict the blooming period of the Soviet aviation industry, which owed a great deal of its knowledge to technology derived from German designs.


$39.95 each

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Here's a blurb for Stalin's Eagles (stupid forum wouldn't let me edit that post!)

Stalin's Eagles is the most complete and detailed book ever published on the Soviet aces. All of the great names are here: Kozhedub, Pokryshkin, Rechkalov, Koldunov, Popkov and numerous others whose thrilling exploits were an inspiration to their comrades, and who handily outscored the top American and British aces. Hundreds of portraits illuminate the lives of many aces, most unknown to western readers, and the desperate struggles of these outstanding fighter pilots who in the end were to make the skies above Eastern Europe their fiefdom. The history of the Soviet fighter command in World War II began in tragedy with the slaughter of inexperienced squadrons by the triumphant Luftwaffe. Read here of their dramatic recovery and the terrible losses of the Luftwaffe at the hands of Russian elite pilots as they were winning complete supremacy in the air. In almost four years of continuous action, the Soviet air forces were credited with destroying over 43,000 enemy aircraft in aerial combat producing some 800 aces with 15 or more kills. Illustrated with over 300 photographs, many taken from the personal collections of veteran pilots, and supplemented by exhaustive statistical information this unique record represents a major research effort and will prove fascinating to all who have an interest in the history of aerial warfare. For the first time the deeds and feats of the Shturmovik aces - the tank hunters and assault aircraft of the Soviet Air Force - are recorded in detail, and an entire chapter presents the history of all Soviet fighter units. Little known in the West, Soviet pilots flew over Korea and many achieved ace status - all are named here with details of their careers and aerial victories. Forewords are by twice hero of the Soviet Union V.I. Popkov, himself an ace with 41 kills in World War II and three more in Korea, and G√ľnther Rall, number three ace of all time with 275 aerial victories




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michapma
06-19-2003, 02:11 PM
Burnin', I'm sure you can glean some descriptions/editorial reviews from Internet sites like Amazon, though I guess in that case you'd need to link.

Mike

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Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

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Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

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06-19-2003, 04:37 PM
Mich,

Way ahead of you dude. I'll be in Vegas for till Saturday, so my Book page will have to wait until then. People have been sending blurbs so things are progressing nicely.

BV

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