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DIRTY-MAC
10-10-2006, 04:44 PM
pretty cool
maybe someone can translate a bit of what they are talking about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPizDLIiek&mode=related&search=

DIRTY-MAC
10-10-2006, 04:44 PM
pretty cool
maybe someone can translate a bit of what they are talking about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPizDLIiek&mode=related&search=

BillyTheKid_22
10-10-2006, 04:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
pretty cool
maybe someone can translate a bit of what they are talking about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPizDLIiek&mode=related&search= </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I did see Japanese submarine carriers film clip!!! wow!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

GerritJ9
10-11-2006, 04:37 AM
Neat animation of the catapult launch from the sub- perhaps that can be included in the Pacific theatre add-on for BoB. Would be fun to attack the Panama Canal as the Japanese intended to do, including the catapult launch!

major_setback
10-11-2006, 06:28 AM
That's an attractive aircraft. It looks like it had an in-line engine, I thought that the Ki61 was the only Japanese fighter to have that during the war.

R_Target
10-11-2006, 06:54 AM
There's a plane at the NASM annex that I believe is the same model as in the clip.

tigertalon
10-11-2006, 07:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
That's an attractive aircraft. It looks like it had an in-line engine, I thought that the Ki61 was the only Japanese fighter to have that during the war. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fighter yes. Only other plane produced in large numbers to utilize an inline engne was a naval dive bomber Yokosuka D4Y Judy, one of planes I miss most from PF...

And agreed, this Serian looks sexy!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

J_Anonymous
10-11-2006, 07:48 AM
The news show clips report recent accidental discovery of I-401 by University of Hawai'i professor (he appears in the clip with a pair of glasses). The clips include some surprising informaiton I didn't know. It is also amazing to see the captain of I-401 and some other "senior officers" of the sub are still well and alive in their 80's and 90's (the bearded gentleman with his glasses was the captatin). If you subtract 60 years..... they were in their 20's and early 30's in 1945!

Some facts from the clips....

(a) After trainings, they were able to complete the launch of all 3 "Seiran" float planes within 15~16 minutes, and dive back into water (they had to be quick to avoid potential US attacks).

(b) Seiran could carry "number 8 bomb" (800kg) if they didn't attch floats, and be launched by catapult. The pilot says he was willing to go one-way attack to Panama canel with 800kg (i.e. "Kamilaze" suicide attack).

(c) The original plan of IJN was to disrupt the USN transport of their fleet from the Atlantic to the Pacific by destroying the Panama canal. But Germany surrendered too soon before they could launch I-401. USN had already moved their fleets to the Pacific by the time I-401 was ready, hence IJN abandoned the plan to attack Panama (I didn't know this...., did you?)

(d) Instead (here is the big surprise...), the combined "Submarine carrier group" consisted of I-400 and I-401 set out to attack Urucy in the south pacific (&lt;--- spell?) with their 6 Seiran planes (3 * 2 = 6). "What was your target?" "Of course our target was USN aircraft carriers, what else?" They were planning the final carrier group-carrier group battle...!!

(e) They received the order to surrender during their voyage to "Urucy" (spell?). They catapulted and sunk all Seiran's without pilots. (They were reluctant to hand out the planes to USN, obviously.)

(f) During their return voyage to Kinkazan, Japan, they were spotted by a USN sub, and was ordered to raise the Stars and Stripes. The fleet commander of the submarine aircraft carrier group could not accept the humiliation of raising the enemy flag to his fleet, and he chose to commit suicide aboard with his pistol. (They read an excerpt of his suicide note, wishing for the prosperous future of Japan in peace, very moving writing by very an intelligent man, too bad such an intelligent man had to fight a war and lose his life after the surrender). He requested to be sunk in the Pacific with the largest IJN flag.

(g) IJN was apparently the only one which succeeded in building and commissioning submarince aircraft carriers among all the navies. Other countries failed due to technological problems and gave up. USN brought I-401 from Yokosuka to Hawai'i to study the IJN technology. They feared that Russians may steal the technology, hence sunk I-401 with torpedo strikes off Oahu, Hawai'i.

J_Anonymous
10-11-2006, 08:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
That's an attractive aircraft. It looks like it had an in-line engine, I thought that the Ki61 was the only Japanese fighter to have that during the war. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fighter yes. Only other plane produced in large numbers to utilize an inline engne was a naval dive bomber Yokosuka D4Y Judy, one of planes I miss most from PF...

And agreed, this Serian looks sexy!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I used to have a 1/72 plastic model of the Seiran when I was a kid. I don't know if they still sell it.

Haigotron
10-11-2006, 08:42 AM
You think theyll have it in SHIV?
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/silenthunter4/index.html?q=silent%20hunter

major_setback
10-11-2006, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Seiran </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't realise there were several submarine based aircraft:

http://www.mmpbooks.biz/books/8391632725/8391632725-profiles.htm

major_setback
10-11-2006, 09:12 AM
WOW- look at this animated film of this plane.

http://www.auroramotiongraphics.com/fp_1204b.html

DIRTY-MAC
10-11-2006, 05:51 PM
well the Ki61 and Judy was not the only plane used with an inline engine used in combat by the Japanese http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
guess what plane?

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http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c15/HOOTCHIE-MAMA/guesswhatplane2.jpg

woofiedog
10-12-2006, 01:07 PM
Valentin Glushko

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Valentin Petrovich Glushko (born September 2, 1908 in Odessa, Ukraine, died January 10, 1989) was a Soviet engineer of Ukrainian descent, and one of the three principal Soviet "Chief Designers" (along with Vladimir Chelomei and Sergei Korolev) of spacecraft and rockets during the Soviet/American Space Race.

His father was Ukrainian and his mother worked as a nurse. At the age of 13 he became interested in aeronautics after reading novels by Jules Verne. He is known to have written a letter to Konstantin Tsiolkovsky in 1923. He studied at an Odessa trade school, where he learned to be a sheet metal worker. After graduation he apprenticed at a hydraulics fitting plant. He was first trained as a fitter, then moved to lathe operator.

During his time in Odessa, Glushko performed experiments with explosives. These were recovered from unexploded artillery shells that had been left behind by the White Guards during their retreat. From 1924-25 he wrote articles concerning the exploration of the Moon, as well as the use of Tsiolokovsky's proposed engines for space flight.

He attended Leningrad State University where he studied physics and mathematics, but found the specialty programs were not to his interest. He reportedly left without graduating in April, 1929. From 1929-1930 he pursued rocket research at the Gas Dynamics Laboratory. A new research section was apparently set up for the study of liquid-propellant and electric engines. He became a member of the G.I.R.D. (Group for the study of Rocket Propulsion Systems), founded in Leningrad in 1931.

On March 23, 1938 he became caught up in Stalin's Great Terror and was rounded up by the NKVD, to be placed in the Butyrka prison. By August 15, 1939 he was sentenced to eight years in the Gulag. Despite his supposed imprisonment, however, Glushko was put to work on various aircraft projects with other arrested scientists. In 1941 he was placed in charge of a design bureau for liquid-fueled rocket engines. He was finally released in 1944 by special decree.

At the end of World War II, Glushko was sent to Germany and Eastern Europe to study the German rocket program. In 1946 he became the chief designer of his own bureau, the OKB 456, and remained at this position until 1974. This bureau would play a prominent role in the development of rocket engines within the Soviet Union.

His OKB 456 would design the 35-metric ton thrust RD-101 engine used in the R-2, the 120-ton thrust RD-110 employed in the R-3, and the 44-ton thrust RD-103 used in the R-5 (SS-3 Shyster). The R-7 would include four of Glushko's RD-107 engines and one RD-108. In 1954 he began to design engines for the R-12 (SS-4 Sandal), which had been designed by Mikhail Yangel'. He also became responsible for supplying rocket engines for Sergei Korolev, the designer of the R-9 (SS-8 Sasin). Among his designs was the powerful RD-170 liquid propellant engine.

In 1974, following the successful American Moon landings, Brezhnev decided to cancel the troubled Russian program to send a man to the Moon. He fired Vasily Mishin and placed Glushko in charge of the OKB-1, Korolev's former design bureau, later named NPO Energia. Glushko's first act was to cancel the N-1 rocket, a program he had long criticized.

Glushko was an advocate of a new line of powerful launchers that he wanted to use for the establishment of a Russian lunar base. However the American Apollo program was coming to an end at about that time, and the government wanted to build a competitor to the Space Shuttle.

After his death, his obituary was signed by multiple Communist Party leaders, including Mikhail Gorbachev. It was only following his death that Glushko's efforts became known to most of the Russian populace.

For many years had Glushko worked in Korolev's shadow, and certainly never received the credit he deserved (at the time) for his contributions. His personality was reputed to be bull-headed, and he never lacked for an ego.

Perhaps his most significant engineering failure, as noted by the division chief Yuri Demyanko, was his insistence that hydrogen was unsuitable for use as a rocket fuel. As a result the Russian space program were still discussing the use of hydrogen-fueled engines while the American's were assembling the Saturn V launcher. Also, Glushko's design bureau consistently failed at building a rocket engine with a large combustion chamber to rival the American F1 used on the Saturn V. This was a primary reason for the failure of the N1 which was forced to rely on a multitude of smaller engines for propulsion. Glushko never did overcome the combustion instability problems of large rocket motors; his eventual solution for this is seen on the RD-170 which is basically four smaller combustion chamber/nozzle assemblies sharing common fuel delivery systems. This elegant solution and engine gave the Soviets the large thrust propulsion needed to build the Energia superbooster, and is probably the finest technical example of Glushko's abilities when he was at his best. The fact that he never developed this solution until the firing of Mishin and his gaining ultimate control of the entire Soviet space program is a testament to the paralyzing intrigue and in-fighting that went on within the Soviet effort to reach the moon.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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