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Dolemite-
11-07-2004, 01:53 AM
In IL-2 and in FB the 109 pits had this weird yellow stuff all over the sides of the cockpit glass. After a lot of complaining the 109 pits were changed with the release of AEP, they were cleaned up... no yellow stuff to be found http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BUT then comes PF... and the return of "the yellow stuff"!!

All over the sides of the Hellcat and Wildcat pits is this yellow cr@p, so I ask you gentlemen of the board, WTF. Under what circumstances would big yellow stains appear on the sides of the cockpit? I mean, unless the pilot is pissing himslef. What is this $#@*%?

Please explain the need for this yellow stuff to be modeled.

Dolemite-
11-07-2004, 01:53 AM
In IL-2 and in FB the 109 pits had this weird yellow stuff all over the sides of the cockpit glass. After a lot of complaining the 109 pits were changed with the release of AEP, they were cleaned up... no yellow stuff to be found http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BUT then comes PF... and the return of "the yellow stuff"!!

All over the sides of the Hellcat and Wildcat pits is this yellow cr@p, so I ask you gentlemen of the board, WTF. Under what circumstances would big yellow stains appear on the sides of the cockpit? I mean, unless the pilot is pissing himslef. What is this $#@*%?

Please explain the need for this yellow stuff to be modeled.

Capt.LoneRanger
11-07-2004, 01:59 AM
Sand and dust, for example. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

But the amount of dirt on the glass is too much.

rugame
11-07-2004, 02:01 AM
The Pilots REALLY enjoyed flying those aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

pourshot
11-07-2004, 02:11 AM
I find it to be very overdone and as a result I wont fly the hellcat if I can avoid it.And imho this is much worse than the 109 ever was.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andycarroll68/grab0005.jpg

pourshot
11-07-2004, 02:21 AM
And another thing, what's with the water color. I meen this is the supposed to be the pacific so why is the water so bloody dark.I have been resisting the urge to whine until I see what happens in the patch but at least one of the beta testers must have seen a pic of the waters in the pacific ocean.

(end whine mode)

Cajun76
11-07-2004, 02:26 AM
Lazy crew chiefs? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

sapre
11-07-2004, 03:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pourshot:
And another thing, what's with the water color. I meen this is the supposed to be the pacific so why is the water so bloody dark.I have been resisting the urge to whine until I see what happens in the patch but at least one of the beta testers must have seen a pic of the waters in the pacific ocean.

(end whine mode) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do you bellieve water color is same any wahere in Pacific?
I think the water is way too BLUE for some place like Japan main land.

Friendly_flyer
11-07-2004, 04:20 AM
Water colour is a result of sky colour. It is simply a reflection. From straight above, water will appear dark blue, when viewed from a ground position (like on all post cards), it will appear light blue, like the sky at the horizon.

WTE_Ibis
11-07-2004, 05:17 AM
The water that I see is very dark,has no surface features and looks total cr@p,no swell,no waves
no reflection,just your shadow if low enough.
It doesn't matter if in perfect mode or not.
Using AMD64,9800xt,1 gig ram,latest drivers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Was ok before PF. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Marek_Steele
11-07-2004, 05:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dolemite-:
In IL-2 and in FB the 109 pits had this weird yellow stuff all over the sides of the cockpit glass. After a lot of complaining the 109 pits were changed with the release of AEP, they were cleaned up... no yellow stuff to be found http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HAHAHAHA

They aren't yellow anymore, still they remain from E's to K's and nevertheless it's still distracting.

Monty_Thrud
11-07-2004, 06:05 AM
Dunno about the cockpit greenery, possible simulating the view of a pilot with a bad cold or hayfever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Got to agree with the water whine, i was expecting PF to be like the online8island map.

I've preserved IL2FBaep in another folder, i had the water=0 forest=2 9800pro 4.10 drivers, Coasties settings and for the first time i could fly online, which was great, it was getting annoying diving into the sea because i couldn't judge how close i was in excellent setting, in PF now if i set it to water=0 it reminds me of the freaky water effects we used to get with earlier drivers.

Heres some IL2FBaep Online8island map water=0 shots

http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/water0.jpg

http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/water0-2.jpg

Jaws2002
11-07-2004, 06:27 AM
I agree about the dirty glass. Is overdone I think.
The water lost that nice color, from Island 8 map, too. But you can still get perfect . Check this tread:
perfect water optimization (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=9221093832)

It dramatically improved my performance over water:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/&lt;FA&gt;Jaws/fps.jpg

Atomic_Marten
11-07-2004, 01:00 PM
Do not forget neat Fw190 sun-reflect cockpit glass. In that matter (cockpit view obstruction) Fw190 is overall unbeatable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hiriyu
11-07-2004, 01:15 PM
Actually, in real life Plexiglass does fog up and turn hazy when exposed to UV and ozone, just like you see on the 109 and Hellcat in PF. This is a touch of realism IMHO (those canopy panels are not glass, which could simply be cleaned).

BfHeFwMe
11-07-2004, 01:52 PM
Bunk, when they get that bad they chuck em overboard and replace. May be on a static that's been displayed outside for over 10 years, but never on one expected to be servicable.

GR142-Pipper
11-07-2004, 05:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
Bunk, when they get that bad they chuck em overboard and replace. May be on a static that's been displayed outside for over 10 years, but never on one expected to be servicable. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You're absolutely correct.

GR142-Pipper

WTE_Galway
11-07-2004, 05:50 PM
ocean water color is radically effected by

- latitude
- season
- time of day
- depth of the water
- weather particualrly wind


no one choice of water color would be correct for all possible scenarios

willyvic
11-07-2004, 06:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
ocean water color is radically effected by

- latitude
- season
- time of day
- depth of the water
- weather particualrly wind


no one choice of water color would be correct for all possible scenarios <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely correct. Having been haze grey and underway for many years I have seen seas blue, grey, black, green, etc.

WV

Hiriyu
11-07-2004, 07:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GR142-Pipper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
Bunk, when they get that bad they chuck em overboard and replace. May be on a static that's been displayed outside for over 10 years, but never on one expected to be servicable. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You're absolutely correct.

GR142-Pipper <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not trying to argue with you gents, but plexiglass fogs much more quickly than that in my experience. I've seen plex start to fog/discolor within 2-3 months on my racecars, especially when people plant their greasy paws all over them. I can only imagine that hostile environments like a carrier-borne plane is likely to see would accelerate wear.

*Hardcoated* Lexan lasts longer, but hadn't been developed yet in the '40s.

LuftLuver
11-07-2004, 08:15 PM
http://www.academie-impact.qc.ca/francais/pages/images/produits/windex.jpg

CV8_Dudeness
11-07-2004, 09:01 PM
Where were the posters in this thread when FB got released when the Bf109 got yellowised ?

why are you crying about this only now ????

Korolov
11-07-2004, 09:03 PM
Maybe you would have noticed they fixed the stained glass in the 109s long before PF.

CV8_Dudeness
11-07-2004, 09:08 PM
like that was the point korolov

GR142-Pipper
11-08-2004, 02:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CV8_Dudeness:
_Where were the posters in this thread when FB got released when the Bf109 got yellowised ?

why are you crying about this only now ????_ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, I never knew that the 109 had the "yellow glass" treatment. It's probably true that many others weren't aware of this as well. At any rate, one of the USN plane captain's responsibilities on the aircraft was to ensure that the cockpit "glass" was kept clean. This responsibility has continued to this day from WWII days.

A personal nit with me is that either NO planes should be afflicted with this or ALL should. One just one or two types.

GR142-Pipper

Fehler
11-08-2004, 03:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GR142-Pipper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CV8_Dudeness:
_Where were the posters in this thread when FB got released when the Bf109 got yellowised ?

why are you crying about this only now ????_ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, I never knew that the 109 had the "yellow glass" treatment. It's probably true that many others weren't aware of this as well. At any rate, one of the USN plane captain's responsibilities on the aircraft was to ensure that the cockpit "glass" was kept clean. This responsibility has continued to this day from WWII days.

A personal nit with me is that either NO planes should be afflicted with this or ALL should. One just one or two types.

GR142-Pipper <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BS indicator... pegged!

Pipper, there have only been several dozen posts about the stained glass in the Bf109. And these complaints have been around since the late model 109's were added to the game. You have been around in these forums, and commented in several threads where German planes were discussed. There is no way that I can believe you didnt know there was ever an issue.

But whether you ever cared before is certainly believable. Why? Because it didnt directly affect a plane you liked to fly, and thus had no first hand knowledge of flying one, then I could believe you.

Please Pipper, for the most part I like you, but please dont blow smoke up my rear. Your statement would be like saying, I never heard of complaints about the FW190 forward view. No one would buy that either. But you would be believed if you said, I didnt find the forward view of the 190 too horrible. See the difference?

Perhaps your original post was meant to convey something that your wording didnt reflect. Perhaps you meant ot say that you didnt know it was that bad because you didnt fly the planes much.

sunflower1
11-08-2004, 07:21 AM
I'm fortunate enough to live next to some water. It often resembles "excellent" water, especially on overcast days.

griego
11-08-2004, 08:32 AM
For a little touch of realism. I do like the streaking on the glass. At least you can tell there's glass there.

When you have glass so clean you lose some of the immersion.

It's like looking out of your cockpit that has no glass at all.

I haven't seen the yellowing I PF yet. Although I liked the yellowing on the old 109me's in IL-2 It was very immersive.

I would like to see some kind of streaking or oily smug print or two.

These planes were use in war even though the ground crew kept these planes up I don't think they had windex and were complusive in there window cleaning.

All I can say is when you can see the glass it's very immersive, but if it to restrictive then some thing would have been done.

Old_Canuck
11-08-2004, 09:39 AM
This thread belongs on the whine list: regurgitated whine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

JG52-6High
11-08-2004, 12:06 PM
For everyone who has water-problems: check out what Jaws2002 said, its easy and really worked out for me!

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porcupine1
11-08-2004, 12:53 PM
Ok I agree with the glass. its just a textureing issue. its to blotchy and to yellow.
Plexi does yellow but not in a year or so.
If you go to a museum you can see the yellow blotch effect, but those planes are almost 60 years old.
a little dirt yes, blotches no.

As for the water Its BAD!
It looks shiny yes and we have waves now, but it is way to dark!!
to say water is blue because the sky is blue is not entirely accurate.
Why is the ocean blue?
No one knows for sure. There are several theories as to why the ocean is usually blue. Some scientists believe that when sunlight hits seawater, part of the white light is absorbed and part is reflected. White light is composed of various shades (all the colors in the rainbow). Seawater does not absorb blue light, so the blue light is reflected outwards. Some scientists believe that suspended matter in the sea is responsible for its blue color.
Now we need to think about sediment suspended in the ocean, and water tempurature.
the cooler the water is it tends to be a bit darker.
look at the difference between the north sea and the south pacific.
If you look at the water with a polerized lense, you can see the actual water color, with no reflected light, simple science.

the south pacific should look lighter, and more turquize then the sea of japan.

as long as there aer no rivers and the water is shallow and warm, the water is clearer and more blue green, not this dark deep almoast blackish blue.
now Thats not to say that during a storm or at diferent times of day that this doesnt change slightly.
Ive been snorkeling off the coast of the floridia keys with 100 ft visibility, in the most amazing blue green water, only to go back a few days later and swim through what appears to be chocolate milk with 5 ft visibilty because of high winds. Thats when you gotta watch for sharks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
If you have ever been in an small aircraft flying around the hawaiian Islands, the eastern coast of australia, or even the florida keys. you can tell what the water should look like in a sunny situation.

the simple fact is the water color for most of the new maps is BAD for the most part, but i dont think it is the simple fix that
most people think it is. a simple texture change is most likly not going to do it.
when you are useing reflection maps textures tend to be over rided. its got to be hard for the dev staff to get this one right.

Marek_Steele
11-08-2004, 03:58 PM
http://www.web-birds.com/usn/vf19/lt%20bruce%20williams%20vf-19%20nov.%201944.jpg

It's not that I agree of that stains should so much visible or yellowish. On such a big radial engined beast with short nose even rads open might have contributed to a lot of this flux too, making it easier for oil/dust spray but I'm no aero expert.

AFJ_Locust
11-08-2004, 06:42 PM
Pourshot I Agree that wierd stuff all over the glass is not very realistic & its very anoying

Udidtoo
11-08-2004, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
ocean water color is radically effected by

- latitude
- season
- time of day
- depth of the water
- weather particualrly wind


no one choice of water color would be correct for all possible scenarios <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot to add how many 1st graders are in the pool to your list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

adlabs6
11-08-2004, 09:59 PM
Wow, that pic of the canopy glass that Pourshot posted is just awful. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Philipscdrw
11-08-2004, 10:06 PM
Awful, in that it doesn't convey any information.

pourshot
11-09-2004, 12:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Awful, in that it doesn't convey any information. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly what information are you Looking for?

Dolemite-
11-09-2004, 02:08 AM
Alright, the 109 pits were changed. Maybe the Hellcat's pit will be changed too. That is, if the devs see this.

Though none of this is likely to happen.

Aeronautico
11-09-2004, 03:19 AM
What's wrong with the water? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

http://digilander.libero.it/Aeronautico/Green%20waters.jpg

LeOs.K-Ande
11-09-2004, 04:09 AM
the 109 still has dirt but I think they just changed the colour a bit. Would that make you guys happy? little(or alot) less yellow than now? I mean that the yellow stains would be closer to the plexi glass colour.

Messaschnitzel
11-09-2004, 12:25 PM
Virtual after action report:

After virtually dogfighting the virtual enemy,
I inadvertently realistically actually sneezed
on the RL monitor screen.I then was forced to
virtually fly my virtual plane back to the virtual home field that took an actual RL five minutes to return to said virtual field.After virtually landing and taxxiing the realistically modelled virtual plane back to the virtual hangar,I quickly threw back the virtual realistically modelled canopy and frantically hit the release on my virtual harness.Upon jumping from the virtual wing,I did a very ungraceful RL half-gainer upon the very RL tarmac.(read: the hardwood floor.)I then proceeded to RL run into the virtual hangar(read: bathroom)to retrieve some virtual tissue.Said tissue failed miserably to remove
aforesaid mess,so I RL ran back for some RL tissue.This actually RL removed the RL debris from my RL monitor screen.Unfortunately, virtually flying those RL five minutes allowed the RL debris to actually become really difficult to remove in RL.After all this virtual flying and RL running around,I was too RL tired to virtally fly anymore.I then went to bed in RL. As I was RL falling asleep I drowsily realised that in wiping the RL monitor,
I did not remove the virtual yellow stains from the virtual plexiglas canopy on the realistically modelled virtual aircraft that I was so gleefully flying through the realistically rendered virtual air.

Now,because of this,I can't sleep in RL as I cannot for the life of me figure out how I can possibly wipe the virtual stains from the beautiful and realistically rendered virtual canopy. I will keep everyone up to date on my progress to find the magical cleaner to get rid of said stains. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

griego
11-09-2004, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeOs.K-Ande:
the 109 still has dirt but I think they just changed the colour a bit. Would that make you guys happy? little(or alot) less yellow than now? I mean that the yellow stains would be closer to the plexi glass colour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Just got PF.

The yellowing on the F6F's, I think are the only planes with this should be toned down a bit. Maybe 40%-60% less would be nice and still leave some sense of glass. the ki43's have this stains but there not as obstructive as the the one's on the hellcats. Wish the would have put some kind of dirt on the F4U glass. Just way to clear.

Dirt or some very light streaks would be nice on all the glass of all planes actually. I gives a sense of seeing out glass. Very immersive. IMHO. Plus it gives a sense of speed and flying. Other wise. It's like looking out of a canopy without glass.

One of the thing that really got me hooked on IL-2 is the glass. Most sims seem to forget about this. the bullet holes the oil the dirt and stains on the glass on the me109 very immersive. Now if they only put alittle blood not alot just alittle when pilot is hit would be nice.

So Please more stains,dirt and alittle blood, but keep them light enough not to obstruct view.

Monty_Thrud
11-09-2004, 01:56 PM
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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2004, 02:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dolemite-:
In IL-2 and in FB the 109 pits had this weird yellow stuff all over the sides of the cockpit glass.
...
BUT then comes PF... and the return of "the yellow stuff"!!

All over the sides of the Hellcat and Wildcat pits is this yellow cr@p, so I ask you gentlemen of the board, WTF. Under what circumstances would big yellow stains appear on the sides of the cockpit? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, you should talk to your crew chief about installing new air-sickness bags before every flight to help you deal with your chronic..., um, problem...