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KIERROK
12-21-2017, 11:45 PM
The devs asked this during their "Exploiting Hybrids", what if prostitution was one such exploit. Since we're pirates, would it be too much to suspect human/hybrid brothels of a sort be ingame? I know in games like Dragon Age and DA2, you could go to a brothel and make your choice of company from male and female of the playable races. Thoughts?

ElPrimordial
12-23-2017, 07:30 PM
I think this is heavily implied in the official description of Li Daiyu and that post on Ancel's Instagram with a pig lady. Seems to be BGE 2 is going to include all those unpleasant subjects that hybrid slavery create.

KIERROK
12-23-2017, 08:11 PM
Yeah, you're referring to this https://bgegame.com/2017/10/24/hybrid-exploitation-system-3/ I was just curious what people's opinion on it was, and how they think the devs should implement it ingame.

KIERROK
12-23-2017, 11:36 PM
Not asking for GTA and Witcher style, but won't complain if devs went this way. Just gave Dragon Age as an example. However, Dragon Age's brothels, were pretty static. Go there, choose your company from cheap, standard, or expensive. Get snarky dialogue, go to a room, fade to black, done. They were more of a way to spend your capped gold, so you had no other reason to go. Besides wanting your character to fool around. The postitutes had no story or personality. They would make comments like "Well, aren't you a strapping lad/lass. This way, please." but that's it. You didn't have reason to care about them. However, it sounds like brothels will play a part in Beyond Good and Evil 2, and not just be there for the sake of being there.

Maybe our characters could interact with the postitutes. Not just as a costumer, but talk and learn more about them. Maybe they're a slave who has been forced into postitution, to pay their owner's debts (pretty typical use of postitutes). Maybe they were born into the brothel life and have no idea of a better one. Perhaps you could then offer them freedom, either by paying the corps. owner's debts, or head of the brothel. Maybe you've visited a brothel and you have a favorite postitute (looks, story, personallity etc). You can buy his/her freedom and bring them into your crew, and they could help with certain missions. Being a former postitute, they've had to deal with all sorts of filth. Example: You're hired to takeout a rival corporation but it's heavily guarded. Well your postitute crew member, serviced the corporate head. It would be a massive blow to his family or business if it got out he frequents a brothel. So, instead of an aggressive "Guns Ablazing" assault, you could use sex scandals.

ElPrimordial
12-24-2017, 06:11 PM
I agree with you, would be an awesome twist create more realistic prostitutes, make them not only a piece of virtual meat, although that means longer development time to create a virtual person in BGE2. Maybe not all of them would be able to be like that, but creating some key NPCs the game atmosphere in this case could be improve it dramatically, as you pointed with characters you were forced into this activity for different reasons. That could lead to create very interesting quests with deeper ramifications in later missions/game plot.

AlexHuaTian
12-29-2017, 08:07 AM
The moment a girl starts complaining about her backstory. What a downer. And I came here to have some fun

KIERROK
12-30-2017, 02:22 AM
It's sad that you think all who work in a brothel are there by choice, and just for you to get your rocks off... That is exactly why I seen Dragon Age's brothels as static and just a way to nut yourself without caring for the characters...

Kingy77
12-30-2017, 02:02 PM
I have a hard time picturing a "let's have a prostitute and have fun" moment in BGE's universe... Not sure making out with a prostitute would really give any depth to the game.
Although, a brothel could make for interesting plots and twists in the game:
- Save a hybrid prostitute from the violent habits of your ennemy
- Get her/his trust and use it to spy on potential enemies and gather information
- Use a meeting with a prostitute as an opportunity to meet key characters (and get him off-guard)

It would open many interesting paths in the scenario and create places with a particular atmosphere. But then again, what wouldn't?

KIERROK
12-30-2017, 07:52 PM
I have a hard time picturing a "let's have a prostitute and have fun" moment in BGE's universe... Not sure making out with a prostitute would really give any depth to the game.
Although, a brothel could make for interesting plots and twists in the game:
- Save a hybrid prostitute from the violent habits of your ennemy
- Get her/his trust and use it to spy on potential enemies and gather information
- Use a meeting with a prostitute as an opportunity to meet key characters (and get him off-guard)

It would open many interesting paths in the scenario and create places with a particular atmosphere. But then again, what wouldn't?

I mean if someone wants to get their rocks off (or whatever the term for women) FINE, because we are pirates and pirates were known to w hore it up. BUT. I would like some story for the postitudes and not just be an NPC your PC can bang.

AlexHuaTian
01-03-2018, 02:40 AM
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She doesnt look forced to me. Thats why these girls always go back to brothel work whenever they are released from prison. Its not because they want to go back to prison. Its because they want to work in the sex industry. Porn which is almost identical to brothel work is also filled with women who consent to sex for payment

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KIERROK
01-03-2018, 03:03 AM
1) Get these off my thread before a mod finds an excuse to lock it.

2) And you really think pornos are real? It's called acting... Horribly. You obviously didn't read my OP, because I said there are people who work in a brothel because they don't know anything better.

KIERROK
01-03-2018, 06:05 PM
Thank you, UbiBorghal.

The-Pancaker
01-09-2018, 02:34 PM
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Maybe our characters could interact with the postitutes. Not just as a costumer, but talk and learn more about them. ....

I like your suggestion man.
When I saw the title I was afraid of low or twisted topic.
Even living in a country where prostitution is legal, the pratique (of the customer) repulses me. It is sad that this profession exists and men are getting to that point of paying to fulfills their simple desires and I hope for these women a better life.

Nevertheless, it exists in this world and I should not judge what and whom I dont know.

As I mentioned in previous posts (who I would play), I was thinking hybrid and rebellion against the system to free myself but freeing other hybrids as well.
what could be quite cool that in the high probable brothel in the game, would be that when some would want to use the brothel... again I wont judge, why not try to communicate to those prostitutes (great idea KIERROK), and why not try to help them become free. I guess the owner of the place would send me some men to kick my butt but I wouldn't mind :D
*oh yeah !!*😃😈

By the way, if I could express whether I having brothel in the game, my answer would be "No... unless you make it meaningful"
I liked in the last report when ubiteam expressed that the game should give the player a (life) experience, more than only collecting money and XP.

The-Pancaker
01-09-2018, 02:42 PM
Thank you, UbiBorghal. +1...

bitebug2003
01-09-2018, 03:05 PM
I'm not sure if 'Brothels' or 'Prostitution' is something I'd like to see in the Beyond Good & Evil 2

Is this something Michel Ancel is considering?


https://i.imgur.com/eKTYnq4.gif

KIERROK
01-09-2018, 04:12 PM
I'm not sure if 'Brothels' or 'Prostitution' is something I'd like to see in the Beyond Good & Evil 2

Is this something Michel Ancel is considering?


https://i.imgur.com/eKTYnq4.gif

https://bgegame.com/2017/10/24/hybrid-exploitation-system-3/ Both Lyogron and I mention it was a Space Monkey question. They asked about hybrid/slave exploitation, and prostitution was one of their suggestions. So brothels are all but confirmed. And you can't have pirates without brothels. Pirates weren't innocent, cute, Halloween costumes. The latest M rated Ubi-game, that I'm aware of, is Ubisoft's Assassin's Creed: Origins. It has a brothel... *clears throat* and lots... and lots of nudity and/or sexual wall arts. I did see a post in ACO forum of someone angry about this, and while they're welcome to voice their comment, it also sets the time historically. Because Egypt, Greece, and Rome 2000BCE had no strong feelings about nudity. It was just another day. It wasn't until other cultures and religions took over, that nudity was seen as "sinful".

My post is simply saying if we do have brothels, what would people's opinions be. Especially, if our characters can use said brothel. I gave examples of another game (Dragon Age: Origins), where a brothel was added as a kind of joke. Your character(s) could chose a male/female human, dwarf, or elf to sleep with, hidden behind a blackscreen. It was a way to spend gold after you hit your gold cap. The prostitue NPCs were a bit static, no personality, and just were there to have your M/F character get laid. DA2 started to give personality to its brothel, as some prostitues would request your help or help you on a quest. If Ubisoft makes a brothel and your characters can use it, I'm saying to make us also care about the prostitues, and not just a way for out characters to get laid.

KIERROK
01-09-2018, 04:52 PM
As I mentioned in previous posts (who I would play), I was thinking hybrid and rebellion against the system to free myself but freeing other hybrids as well.
what could be quite cool that in the high probable brothel in the game, would be that when some would want to use the brothel... again I wont judge, why not try to communicate to those prostitutes (great idea KIERROK), and why not try to help them become free. I guess the owner of the place would send me some men to kick my butt but I wouldn't mind :D
*oh yeah !!*����

By the way, if I could express whether I having brothel in the game, my answer would be "No... unless you make it meaningful"
I liked in the last report when ubiteam expressed that the game should give the player a (life) experience, more than only collecting money and XP.

This is what I didn't like about Dragon Age's brothels, they weren't meaningful. Not really. They were there for your characters to get laid and a substitution to romances (minus the personality and time). If there's people who want to use the brothel as a way to have their characters get laid, fine. BUT. Also, give the option to have players interact with the prostitues in other meaningful ways. The Witcher 3 did this. You could choose to bed the prostitutes or learn about their backstory. I believe there was a couple who even gave you a quest or two, or even gave you information while on a guest. This way it would please two types of people. Those who want to use the brothel for mindless character bedding, and those who want meaningful quests.

bitebug2003
01-09-2018, 05:00 PM
https://bgegame.com/2017/10/24/hybrid-exploitation-system-3/ Both Lyogron and I mention it was a Space Monkey question. They asked about hybrid/slave exploitation, and prostitution was one of their suggestions. So brothels are all but confirmed. And you can't have pirates without brothels. Pirates weren't innocent, cute, Halloween costumes. The latest M rated Ubi-game, that I'm aware of, is Ubisoft's Assassin's Creed: Origins. It has a brothel... *clears throat* and lots... and lots of nudity and/or sexual wall arts. I did see a post in ACO forum of someone angry about this, and while they're welcome to voice their comment, it also sets the time historically. Because Egypt, Greece, and Rome 2000BCE had no strong feelings about nudity. It was just another day. It wasn't until other cultures and religions took over, that nudity was seen as "sinful".

My post is simply saying if we do have brothels, what would people's opinions be. Especially, if our characters can use said brothel. I gave examples of another game (Dragon Age: Origins), where a brothel was added as a kind of joke. Your character(s) could chose a male/female human, dwarf, or elf to sleep with, hidden behind a blackscreen. It was a way to spend gold after you hit your gold cap. The prostitue NPCs were a bit static, no personality, and just were there to have your M/F character get laid. DA2 started to give personality to its brothel, as some prostitues would request your help or help you on a quest. If Ubisoft makes a brothel and your characters can use it, I'm saying to make us also care about the prostitues, and not just a way for out characters to get laid.

In context I don't mind mature content, but there has to be a reason to include mature themes

The BG&E 2 reveal trailer didn't really give us much to go on aside from that it appears much darker than the original (and the profanity).
It would have made more sense if there was some of that maturity in the original game, so it wouldn't be much of an eye opener for BG&E2.

The PEGI rating of the original 2003 release was changed from a 7 to a 12 for the BG&E HD release (it now mentions 'Content that teaches or encourages gambling')
The ESRB rating has always been a T.

I have no problem with any of the content you mentioned that's in AC as that is a different type of game, I just find it hard to visualize a Mature BG&E2 considering the love and passion I hold for the original.

We'll see.

-- Incidentally I wasn't a fan of the Rabbids either when they were first revealed alongside Rayman in a Party game, but I can tolerate them now.

KIERROK
01-09-2018, 05:43 PM
In context I don't mind mature content, but there has to be a reason to include mature themes

The BG&E 2 reveal trailer didn't really give us much to go on aside from that it appears much darker than the original (and the profanity).
It would have made more sense if there was some of that maturity in the original game, so it wouldn't be much of an eye opener for BG&E2.

The PEGI rating of the original 2003 release was changed from a 7 to a 12 for the BG&E HD release (it now mentions 'Content that teaches or encourages gambling')
The ESRB rating has always been a T.

I have no problem with any of the content you mentioned that's in AC as that is a different type of game, I just find it hard to visualize a Mature BG&E2 considering the love and passion I hold for the original.

We'll see.

-- Incidentally I wasn't a fan of the Rabbids either when they were first revealed alongside Rayman in a Party game, but I can tolerate them now.

Well, in 2003 the ratings were very strict. Even in the '90s Mortal Kombat POed alot of people at the PEGI ESRB rating. It was one (if not first) to show blood and dismemberment. Then there was the Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas blowup, over the hidden hot-coffee mini-sex-game. So, original BGE doing brothels or anything mature, would be touchy.

However, ratings are alot more lax now, so much so there's full nudity in GTA5, which surprised me. I find a camp in the far North West, and had a naked bearded trash guy run at me with a baseball bat. I was like ":confused: WELL then... Oook."

I mean, I understand peoples thoughts about rating. It'd be like Whinnie the Pooh turned into Seth McFarlane's Ted. We all have sentimentals of things we grew up with, and are a little "Eeehh" when they're changed. That's like me and cartoons. I loved Loony Tunes, Tom & Jerry, early Teen Titans etc. Now, I don't like any of the new versions, so much I barely watch Cartoon Network or Boomerang anymore.

Another example would be DC's Alan Scott (Original Green Lantern) in the 50s+ he was straight, now The New 52 turned him gay (bi?) Scott fans were mixed, some hated it others were happy.

I only brought up ACO because it too is a Ubisoft game (granted, different dev team) It was an example of what Ubisoft can do... Even if it does give you the same reaction to my naked Hill Billy GTA5 experience.

IT-Tom
02-02-2018, 11:05 PM
I think it could easily be included. In my opinion it fits and like other people already said: You can build quests around this topic.

Quidium
02-04-2018, 05:17 PM
The title of the thread is Brothels? The answer is yes. The universe will have them and players may enter and see the "front" of the house in gameplay. The second question is should the player participate or "use" it in gameplay? The are various levels of answers to this second question. How far does the dev team want to go? In the modern world sex trafficking, domestic abuse, women's rights, and sexual harassment in the news (politically, hollywood, etc) may stear the dev team to water it down. Have the brothel as a sexy bar in the front kind of thing.

Examples of use:
1. Captain can let the crew go to the brothel while the captain has business to elsewhere.
2. Captain can hire one person to come to the ship instead.
3. Player can stop an abusive gang centered around the brothel. (Something serious like in the movie 'Taken" to funny like "Best little *****house in Texas")
4. Player can purchase a brothel for income, side missions, new quest line.
5. Players can get various STDs or galactic disease and make using them risky. Slums brothel versus high end escort service.
6. IF the desire is realism - go real - If the desire is an atmosphere them make the brothel an environment and tool.

Those are just a few examples. BGE is being made in Europe and has a little different view on sexuallity than say the USA. The Witcher had brothels and sex scenes (CDProjekt in Prague), Dragon Age series has it (BioWare USA), and the sex stuff is prevalent in the GTA series. Just a mature rating does not mean it needs gratuit or soft porn..

Even with a mature rating the game can still hold a standard. I say draw a line and decide where that line is and do not cross it. The "realism" fans may complain and the dev team can say it was the decision we went with. My personal opinion is have bothels and be tasteful. Use them as an environment for player motivation, quests, missions, social, etc. I have three kids and two are little girls. I don't want them walking in when I play this game and ask, "Whats that?" I could go on how I want them raised and how my son views his mother - this is not the place though.

Food for thought.
Respectfully
Quidium

BillDin
02-05-2018, 02:26 PM
I agree with you. Also I think there are already useful brothels in other games of Ubisoft. Like Assassin's Creed 2&Brotherhood&Revelations. Brothels can be a great place for intel and hiding and income, let alone pleasure.

kenonu
02-08-2018, 03:51 PM
Well pirates when not out terrorizing are in brothels drinking and having prostitutes all around them, we can call it unpleasant but that's how pirates operate, in a safer note if they don't want to bring it sex and nudity it could be reduced to drinking gambling or even underground street fights to pass the time

atubaboun
02-08-2018, 10:03 PM
Well pirates when not out terrorizing are in brothels drinking and having prostitutes all around them, we can call it unpleasant but that's how pirates operate, in a safer note if they don't want to bring it sex and nudity it could be reduced to drinking gambling or even underground street fights to pass the time

I think the game will propose paths for us pirates to take other than going after booty ( in several senses).

DevilmanSinner
02-12-2018, 06:22 AM
A discussion about hybrid sexual exploitation is important.

But let's remember: sex work is literally the oldest capitalistic endeavour and profession in the entirety of human history; which BG&E2 fictionally extends. Sex workers are essentially the reason the American West was settled with permanent towns. To choose to depict brothels and sex work as inherently exploitative and negative ignores thousands of years of actual, recorded history in which sex work has been an honourable, respectable profession. All. Over. The world.

So while hybrid exploitation will include hybrid sex work, human sex work shouldn't be ruled out. Human sex work would absolutely not cease to exist even in the 22nd century. So freed human sex workers running brothels in a legal non-exploitative context should exist.

I can agree that institutional hybrid sex work would be perfectly unethical if it's run by the corporations/labs/governments who create hybrid slaves. I think it would be more interesting to discover an entire city(s?) of freed hybrids who've decided for themselves to engage in sex work. Because guess what? There has been, currently exists, and will always somehow be an industry of conscious beings who willingly choose sex work.

This forum has had discussions about hybrids not being limited in their characterisations. So a hybrid that, after being freed, who chooses sex work should not be excluded. It boils down to good writing. (Imagine if a character were an exploited assassin, it wouldn't be unimaginable for that character to then still choose to be an assassin post-freedom; sex work is a profession, I would expect it be treated with similar equality.)

Write it well.

So_sly_354
02-20-2018, 04:22 AM
Now I played games like the switcher and GTA but I don't want that I want something not so um how do I put this, "open", but yeah I'm down I could totally see this in game .Please see this message.

DevilmanSinner
02-26-2018, 04:16 PM
I totally agree that not all professional sex work is exploitative, but (a) we've been seeing this "happy side of prostitution" in games more than enough, (b) the BG&E2 scenario is the exploitation of hybrids and they better show it, and (c) I have no idea what you're talking about but throughout history, sex work has almost never been seen and/or treated as an "honorable" profession because women were, for thousands of years, all over the world, not respected as people but rather treated as things.

I don't know what "happy side of pr*stitution" you're referring to, unless you're talking about the shiny, gilded strumpet halls of TW3 (which I'd barely call happy). I expect the sex trafficking of hybrids to be well represented and well written, as well as military exploitation, labour exploitation et al. And it was mostly after the expansion of western Christianity (Roman) that sex work became this entirely bad thing. Before that, sex work around the world was on average just as respected or disrespected as any other service providing employment. It was work. But like I said, there will always be some consenting, conscious being who will choose sex work for themselves. BG&E2 will have hybrids that were exploited mercenaries and assassins; some hybrids will also just choose that job because it's available. A complex social order will have the exploited and free willing comprising both sides of the coin of any profession. That's what I'm getting at. That's what I need to see written in this game's narrative and world building.