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georgeo76
07-09-2004, 02:02 PM
prob should read this (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1621741,00.asp)

georgeo76
07-09-2004, 02:02 PM
prob should read this (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1621741,00.asp)

VW-IceFire
07-09-2004, 02:14 PM
Ironically the problem stems from a Windows (Microsoft) problem with the way it makes calls rather than directly Firefox itself. Thankfully Mozilla has fixed it already and has a new version of Firefox for download or the patch. I figured the patch was easiest.

I'm liking my experience with Firefox. Fast and clean without any extra nonsense. Bugs and issues will arise but I'm encouraged overall by the quick response and the small number of problems.

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SKIDRO_79FS
07-09-2004, 02:38 PM
I have never liked Internet Explorer, used Netscape alot when I first started, then changed to Opera for several years and now Mozilla, which I'm loving. I haven't used FireFox enough to really form an opinion yet.

I only use IE for Windows Updates and the likes anymore otherwise it's just taking up space on my hard drive. IMHO it's been garbage since the word "Go."

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Stormer777
07-09-2004, 03:25 PM
IE has so many things that Firefox doesn't... Why use it?

Waldo.Pepper
07-09-2004, 04:05 PM
Thanks for the heads up.

I have IE, Netscape, Firefox, Moizilla, and Opera installed.

WWSensei
07-09-2004, 04:05 PM
Beg to differ Stormer. Feature-to-feature Mozilla has more. IE has no tabs for instance. Also, I don't count the ability to have ActiveX controls install spyware and other **** on your system a "feature" I'd want on Firefox...

Now, if you are talking about so many security holes that CERT recommends you don't use it then I agree.

SwingerSpecial
07-09-2004, 08:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stormer777:
IE has so many things that Firefox doesn't... Why use it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Trolling, trolling, trolling....



Another "feature" that Mozilla/Firefox lacks is The Department of Homeland Security's recommendation against using it ;-D

Vladimir_No2
07-09-2004, 08:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SwingerSpecial:
Another "feature" that Mozilla/Firefox lacks is The Department of Homeland Security's recommendation against using it ;-D<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Viva Firfox!
But anyway, there is already a fix for the problem.

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Longjocks
07-09-2004, 09:02 PM
I use another IE front-end browser, Crazy Browser. Due to the fact that it has the same security problems as IE, I decided to try Firefox so I can alternate depending on which one has the biggest security flaw of the month. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Firefox is indeed good and I like the extensions you can get and all. However many of those extensions should be a basic feature in the core program. Setting Firefox up to any level above what I already use is more hassle than it's worth right now. Plus I find it less stable than any IE based browsers and it tends to crash a bit for me and a few friends that use it. But I'll count that as a non-event for the majority of users until I hear more.

Furthermore, and this is not necessarily the fault of the Firefox devs, third party programs that have full functionality with Crazy Browser, thanks to its IE roots, have no functionality with Firefox. I just hope that these parties try to include support in the future. Although I dare say that future Firefox extentions may make some of these other programs obsolete.

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arcadeace
07-09-2004, 10:11 PM
Firefox is intentionally designed to be a lean, stand-alone browser. With the available extensions and skins the user has his/her own choice of preferences, and being open source the list is constantly growing. I've found it takes little time to understand and quickly implement the preferences of my choice. With little increase in size, the overall versatility and capabilities makes it considerably more functional than IE, and with the addition of addblock and flashblock my pages load much faster. Version 0.91 is the most stable and doesn't crash anymore than my Opera 7.5 or IE 6.

SwingerSpecial
07-09-2004, 10:47 PM
Having used a few web browsers over the past 10 years, I would have to say that Mozilla 1.0+ and it's "cousins" have proven to be the most stable and reliable ones out of all of them, hands down.

With the numerous security problems that just keep piling up every week, I cannot recommed IE to anyone - In the hands of an average end user, the system will be completely toast in six months thanks to all the wonderful adware junk that IE "supports". Most MS apologists will point out that these problems can be corrected by installing several third party utilities and addons to the system and periodically using them. This is not a realistic solution, as majority of the people out there using the internet barely even understand the terms "download" or "install".

Arms1
07-10-2004, 12:01 AM
thanks for the link, i use firefox for about 95% of my browsing

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Hentzau
07-10-2004, 12:12 AM
Firefox is worth everything I paid for it because I can block EVERY signature image on this forum making my dial-up experience MUCH better, might even look at this forum now. LOL

adlabs6
07-10-2004, 12:59 AM
I've used Netscape since v4.x, and later I moved to Mozilla, after Netscape 6.2. Just installed 1.7.1 yesterday, all is (apparently) well with this new version concerning the shell commands.

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Abbuzze
07-10-2004, 02:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stormer777:
IE has so many things that Firefox doesn't... Why use it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean failures, security wholes and... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Yes the more a browser is used, more people starting to search for security wholes- this is what happens to Firefox/Mozilla now...

I have no idea what special feature you mean that is not included in Firefox or Mozilla... tabbed browsing? hmm, no It was IE without this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Red_Russian13
07-10-2004, 10:45 AM
My opinion is that hackers attack whatever everyone is using. If we all used Opera or Mozilla, they'd attack them and ignore IE to a large degree. I guess you could argue that IE is more suceptible to attack, and you'd probably be right. But I think that eventually, you'll see more successfull attacks against the alternative browers.

By the way, I love Opera if for nothing more than the tabs. I do a lot of research, and having 20 IE windows open sucks. The tabs are great! So, I'm a big lobbiest for Opera.

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LEXX_Luthor
07-10-2004, 11:18 AM
No, the hacks are targeting the Micorosft IIS server software (or something) but Apache has more market share but they leave that alone. Or so I heard.

The "market share" reason why they target IE is at best only partially correct.

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VW-IceFire
07-10-2004, 12:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Russian13:
My opinion is that hackers attack whatever everyone is using. If we all used Opera or Mozilla, they'd attack them and ignore IE to a large degree. I guess you could argue that IE is more suceptible to attack, and you'd probably be right. But I think that eventually, you'll see more successfull attacks against the alternative browers.

By the way, I love Opera if for nothing more than the tabs. I do a lot of research, and having 20 IE windows open sucks. The tabs are great! So, I'm a big lobbiest for Opera.

Red Russian<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
IE's biggest problem is that its tied directly into the OS. Microsoft wanted to go this way and all the security experts said that they shouldn't and of course they never listen so now they are paying it back in spades.

Firefox is far superior to IE and frankly it has all the features I need without any fancy built in features. All I want is excellent HTML/plugin compatibility (i.e. with Flash and Shockwave), pop-up blocking, and a search tool built in. It has all of that. Nothing else...no fancy things that cause problems. Furthermore, it has never once crashed which is better than what IE and Netscape can say (at least not yet it hasn't).

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Aaron_GT
07-10-2004, 04:52 PM
"IE has so many things that Firefox doesn't... Why use it?"

Yes, but I don't need the 'feature' of an extra conduit for trojans and spyware!

Aaron_GT
07-10-2004, 04:56 PM
"My opinion is that hackers attack whatever everyone is using. If we all used Opera or Mozilla, they'd attack them and ignore IE to a large degree. I guess you could argue that IE is more suceptible to attack, and you'd probably be right"

Currently the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Defense in the USA recommend that IE not be used, due a critical vulnerability unfixed in 10 months, with no such critical level of vulnerability existing in Opera or Mozilla, according to those sources.

Aaron_GT
07-10-2004, 05:01 PM
" Furthermore, it has never once crashed which is better than what IE and Netscape can say (at least not yet it hasn't)"

Subjectively I find mozilla/firefox (my browser of choice now, on Windows and Linux) crashes more than Internet Explorer does. However IE does crash sometimes. Since I rarely use IE it might be deceptive though.

LEXX_Luthor
07-10-2004, 05:50 PM
Since I installed FF, and I don't do any plugins or anything, I can't even see half of the dumb ads lol.

Web designers who really want to get something out for others to see keep it really simple.

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HellToupee
07-10-2004, 08:16 PM
firefox has crashed on me before on windows and linux, usually something to do with the page mostly using flash or something. But crashing issues wernt y i switched to mozilla and firefox.

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Texas LongHorn
07-11-2004, 12:00 AM
Aaron, you make a fine point. I live outside of the Seattle/Redmond area and did quite a bit of C work for MS. Ironically, not one of us developers would use IE &lt;ggg.&gt; In fact it caused problems because as has been stated thier company network is designed to use IE. I just always used Netscape to get away from HALF the security problems. All the best, LongHorn

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609IAP_Recon
07-11-2004, 01:08 AM
Welcome to "browser religion: where mine has GOT to be better than yours"

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GvSAP_Dart
07-11-2004, 02:03 AM
So THAT'S how all those dirty pictures got on the hard drive!

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Aaron_GT
07-11-2004, 03:08 AM
In a final irony, the original netscape (I think the current Gecko code base is a total rewrite) and IE are from the same code base that formed the Mosaic browser (the first browser I used). Mosaic broke into the Netscape streams, and another called SpyGlass. Microsoft bought up SpyGlass and renamed it Internet Explorer.

ASM 1
07-11-2004, 04:30 AM
and look how big the fix was - a massive 1K

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on IE that would be at least 5Meg http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif:

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