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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:44 PM
Ok,
I ONLY play il2 FB online and i have been hearing loads of camments about how great the P47 and P40 are. So i figured i mite aswell try them out. I got to around 2500alt and dived on a Hurricane (MkIIc i think) and scored i cannon jam. then i went round for another dive. ALL of a sudden the plane stalled and crashed! i got really annoyed and tryed the plane again and again. And it still sucks! So why do u guys like the plane so much? Whoops forgot bout the P40, well um, i hate that plane too!:-P btw my fave plane at the moment is the bf 109k4!

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:44 PM
Ok,
I ONLY play il2 FB online and i have been hearing loads of camments about how great the P47 and P40 are. So i figured i mite aswell try them out. I got to around 2500alt and dived on a Hurricane (MkIIc i think) and scored i cannon jam. then i went round for another dive. ALL of a sudden the plane stalled and crashed! i got really annoyed and tryed the plane again and again. And it still sucks! So why do u guys like the plane so much? Whoops forgot bout the P40, well um, i hate that plane too!:-P btw my fave plane at the moment is the bf 109k4!

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:54 PM
Sounds like you're pulling too many Gs. You've got to fly the P47 with a light hand on the stick - it's got quite a nasty stall. Cannon jams can also happen from pulling too many Gs.
Keep your speed up, and your turns gentle, and you might have better luck.

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 07:25 PM
2500 isn't really high enough for the P47 IMO.

& I agree try to avoid all G s they just bleed E.
Zoom up & gently roll into a good position for another attack. Certainly isn't an a/c to get just hop in & get quick & easy kills (unless you bounce the sucker then you're good to go.

Oh, & P47 guns are most evective at 200 meters convergence according to some here. (i'm no expert so just trying to pass on info.)

Good luck!

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 08:37 PM
Try them after the patch, maybe then you will like them. I don't like them very much either as it stands now. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 12:49 AM
p47 and p40 both require EXTREEM online flight skills to fly effectively. and even then when caught down low by a top ace they become targets.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:01 AM
More like extreme caution, than skill.

It's not a too slow a plane, but in the typical environment surrounding you, most of the others will out-run, out-climb and out-turn you in a whim.

Three BnZ passes, and a smart Yak or a 109 will have amassed enough E of his own to catch you on your way back up.

Play it safe - don't bother to zoom back up unless you are sure you have zounds of E adv over the target plane. Instead, use the initial speed advantage to flee to safety - don't look back, run straight away and climb back up in a safe place.

P-47 is known to have great zoom characteristics, but it's not like a 109 where you can go up down up down up down continuously in attack passes. The more the attack pass is carried out, the more the P-47 loses the E advantage substantially.

Either take lot of fuel, and be prepared to fly for a looong time, or take teensey amounts of fuel and fly for two passes and re-plane.







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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:37 AM
Great advice! I've always loved the P-40 and 47,but in FB they have a few issues to be addressed by the patch.Then maybe I'll fly em regularly(like I wish I could do now!)

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:42 AM
Don't worry, you like 109K because it is the granddaddy of all granddaddy's of the arcadish FM we are slowly moving too in FB.

No one fights high enough in FB to make the P47 useful - mainly becaues Oleg seems to push the fighters, not bombers - once you have a mission to intercept high altitude bombers, the p47 will be good to fly.


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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:43 AM
The P-47 is a great plane, if you fly it right. That is all my squad and I fly and we do very well. Just boom and zoom from altitude and you will have no problems.
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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:50 AM
P-47 is the only plane I'll fly in 1943 onwards; it can climb well enough to keep up with 109s and with some fancy manuvers you can outclass 190s. The P-40 is a great plane for 1942 and earlier, but it requires a great deal of luck to be successful with it. P-47 is also good for hitting pesky little manuverable lightweight fighters, with that shotgun effect!

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:56 AM
The P-40 is an EXELLENT plane to use online...

Just remember these...

1) Always have as much or more altitude than your enemy... The P40 is a poor steady climber so don't fly straight to the fight! fly around and get some alt first!

2) If your enemy climbs to try to get away, climb behind him... For some reason the P40 can catch up to most planes in a quick vertical climb. Not a long steady pursuit climb though.

3) Don't get into a plain old turnfight with a P40... Always keep diving down a little for more speed your opponent will follow you most of the time.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 02:22 AM
I flew the P-47 online yesterday and finally got my first kill which was complete luck. It was a drag n bag gone wrong and the attacking 109 overshot and did a gentle right bank, so I shot him. Then I shot him some more. He slowed and I shot him some mroe and set him aflame.

With the P-47's I load 25% fuel and a center drop tank. When you are gonna BnZ or the fighting is gonna start just ditch the tank and go.

Cant wait till they are all fixed. God only knows what else is errored in the P-47 and P-40 series.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:59 AM
I love my P-47.....

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 12:11 PM
Stormer777 wrote:
- The P-40 is an EXELLENT plane to use online...
-
- Just remember these...
-
- 1) Always have as much or more altitude than your
- enemy... The P40 is a poor steady climber so don't
- fly straight to the fight! fly around and get some
- alt first!
-
- 2) If your enemy climbs to try to get away, climb
- behind him... For some reason the P40 can catch up
- to most planes in a quick vertical climb. Not a long
- steady pursuit climb though.
-
- 3) Don't get into a plain old turnfight with a
- P40... Always keep diving down a little for more
- speed your opponent will follow you most of the
- time.
-
True! You own bf-109E's with the P-40. 109F is a little more difficult but still quite possible. You should also know how to get around the P-40 explosion bug. Just keep your engine under 3000 RPM.



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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:32 PM
A lot of great advice !

I too mostly try and fly the P47 and P40. .. and altitude is indeed a key.. another is to set back the pitch, even to 70% .. keeping rpms lower in the P40 allows it to get up to 700km/hr.

The P47 can make some Me109 drivers just cry... up around 5000 meters, 6000 meters... you can open it up and it will sing along.. (lower the mix to 60-80% and lower the pitch again to 70-75%). I find less "drag" at the lower pitches..

You can go into even a gentle dive and come back at the 109's at 700-900 km/hrs... and keep on going.. there is something just precious to hear a usually "high and hide" 109 driver actually "complain" (really had it happen to) that you are "leaving the fight".. (duh... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ).

One more tip.. I've set the guns to 600M and the cannons for 200M.. using the P47's ability to fire either.. gives you some longer range effectiveness.. and save the 200M for close in.. I've recently been able to score 4 shootdowns of 109's by variably using inner/out/both gun sets...

..Now, if Oleg fixes the roll rate.. look out !

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:37 PM
^
I did not know that stuff and doubt I'd ever stumble on to it. Thats invaluable knowledge right there, thanks for posting! If you have any more info its much appreciated. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:54 PM
P-40s are completely (and probably un-realistically) brilliant.

Get altitude, leave the radiator open and don't dive too hard.

Being BnZ'd by 109s is fun. Your pootling along at 300 kph and the 109s will come screaming down - a quick change of direction and they go flying past. Keep doing this for a while without actually manouvering for a shot and they'll get frustrated. Their "zooms" will become less and less disciplined and eventually they'll just come down for a scrap. So you turn them inside out and rape them with the .50s !

You can even turn over Yak-3s if there not too carefull. The P-40 will out turn almost everything in the sky after a bit of practice.




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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 07:02 PM
I use 300 for all guns on the P-47 I like to get real close on my bounce and say "Hi" with a big 8 gun smile and wink, but I also want to be able to deflect with it too. Another thing about the Jug dont use the WEP under 6K, mixture is very important too; 2500+ 80%, 5500+ 60%, 8K+ 40% and then lower your prop picth(Which I hardly do as 100% keeps you at 2700 RPM best power for Jug) and jelps with the zoom climb after a bounce.
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