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SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 03:07 PM
If any new characters are planned for Season 5, I would like one of them to be an assassin exterminator, preferably a heavy. His feats and moveset should specifically be revolved around dealing with assassins like Shaman, PK, Cent and so on. Maybe even be able to deal with 2-3 of them at the same time. All current Heavies/Hybrid Heavies in the game so far all have a very hard time dealing with assassins. We need a new heavy who should be able to solve this problem.

Alustar.
12-08-2017, 03:13 PM
They have that already, learn aramusha

SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 03:20 PM
They have that already, learn aramusha

I am sick and tired of seeing your arse in everyones thread posting crap like that. How about you stfu and let the rest of the people talk. Little assassin lover.

Charmzzz
12-08-2017, 03:21 PM
Have you heard of Aramusha? He is that Assassin Destroyer you are asking for.

You want a Heavy to be able to deal with 2-3 Assassins? Heavys can already deal with them due to constant guard and higher HP pools. I really do not know what you want, sounds like an OP Character to me. Could you give examples what he should be able to do? Or what your problem right now is?

bob333e
12-08-2017, 03:29 PM
Aren't you the same dude who suggested this: https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1784774-Put-1-2-Second-Cooldown-on-Warden-s-Shoulder-Bash-amp-Conq-Shield-Bash

Yet here you are now wanting to indirectly nerf all assassins by suggesting to introduce an OP character that will steamroll assassins.

It's an L2P issue, really. First refusing to learn to properly counter Warden and Conqueror (both of which are easily disposed of provided you know what you're doing), now blatant thoughtless suggestions for S5?

Well, mind fleshing out details as to what exactly are you suggesting? provided you are already refusing to learn Aramusha (who is, by definition, the Bane of Assassins).

Alustar.
12-08-2017, 03:37 PM
I am sick and tired of seeing your arse in everyones thread posting crap like that. How about you stfu and let the rest of the people talk. Little assassin lover.

What, you mean being accurate and factual? I can see how that would pose an issue. =/

And yes, I do love my assassins! Good of you to notice. ;)
I also have black shoes on, currently, in case we are just stating arbitrary facts.

SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 03:45 PM
Have you heard of Aramusha? He is that Assassin Destroyer you are asking for.

You want a Heavy to be able to deal with 2-3 Assassins? Heavys can already deal with them due to constant guard and higher HP pools. I really do not know what you want, sounds like an OP Character to me. Could you give examples what he should be able to do? Or what your problem right now is?

My my, would you look at that, as soon as the word "Assassin" is mentioned this guys shows up.The biggest one of them all. Aramusha is part assassin himself, I dont want to fight light spam with light spam. I want a heavy who have a feat that for example increase the parry window against assassins. This heavy should also have hyperarmor, and 360 swinging attacks so every ganker can get some. Shamans neck bite and the likes should only work when this heavy is OOS. Sounds like an excellent assassin killer to me.


Aren't you the same dude who suggested this: https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1784774-Put-1-2-Second-Cooldown-on-Warden-s-Shoulder-Bash-amp-Conq-Shield-Bash

Yet here you are now wanting to indirectly nerf all assassins by suggesting to introduce an OP character that will steamroll assassins.

It's an L2P issue, really. First refusing to learn to properly counter Warden and Conqueror (both of which are easily disposed of provided you know what you're doing), now blatant thoughtless suggestions for S5?

Well, mind fleshing out details as to what exactly are you suggesting? provided you are already refusing to learn Aramusha (who is, by definition, the Bane of Assassins).

Indeed I made that thread, is there a problem with that? All the assassins that have been introduced so far have ALL been OP, what a lovely season would it be if we finally could get a heavy that steamrolls these parasitic little shlts? Ofcourse for you assassin lovers out there it's going to be a sad day. I cant believe you are already attacking this thread as soon as you see something that might put up a good fight with your little assassins.

Alustar.
12-08-2017, 03:48 PM
The butthurt is strong with this one.

bob333e
12-08-2017, 03:49 PM
I cant believe you are already attacking this thread as soon as you see something that might put up a good fight with your little assassins.

FYI: I'm a Warden main. And while I certainly avoided wasting my time on your thoughtless ranting threads (warden op nerf wahh), we are certainly not attacking this one.

Simple facts and logic. As said, it's an L2P issue.

SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 03:50 PM
The butthurt is strong with this one.

Your cause is lost.

SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 03:52 PM
FYI: I'm a Warden main. And while I certainly avoided wasting my time on your thoughtless ranting threads (warden op nerf wahh), we are certainly not attacking this one.

Simple facts and logic. As said, it's an L2P issue.

You are a warden main? Well that certainly explains why you brought that thread up....

bob333e
12-08-2017, 03:54 PM
You are a warden main? Well that certainly explains why you brought that thread up....

It's a free forum. I like to keep note of what you and others like you rant about in here, if you don't mind. Without going after you and chasing down your threads, that is.

Wardens are unrelated to the topic of this thread, also. It's all centered around you refusing to practice and refusing to adapt. Wanting nerfs left and right.

Now you are starting to be a waste of time, again. Being as biased as you are, I doubt this discussion will bring much.

SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 04:07 PM
It's a free forum. I like to keep note of what you and others like you rant about in here, if you don't mind. Without going after you and chasing down your threads, that is.

Wardens are unrelated to the topic of this thread, also. It's all centered around you refusing to practice and refusing to adapt. Wanting nerfs left and right.

Now you are starting to be a waste of time, again. Being as biased as you are, I doubt this discussion will bring much.

I have no problem with you going into my profile and looking at my threads and posts and bringing them up. Im not so insecure that I need to do the same to you. How did this thread turn into a "L2P, practice and refuse to adapt" thread? That's not what this thread is about, you know nothing of what I've been practising and adapting.

No one starts out bias, it's the countless assassins and their cheesy moves and the fact that every season they are released they are all OP. That's why im bias. The real waste of time is you, if you don't agree with my thread wtf you doing in here then? Just press a "No" on the poll and gtfo.

Charmzzz
12-08-2017, 04:10 PM
My my, would you look at that, as soon as the word "Assassin" is mentioned this guys shows up.The biggest one of them all. Aramusha is part assassin himself, I dont want to fight light spam with light spam. I want a heavy who have a feat that for example increase the parry window against assassins. This heavy should also have hyperarmor, and 360 swinging attacks so every ganker can get some. Shamans neck bite and the likes should only work when this heavy is OOS. Sounds like an excellent assassin killer to me.


How you increase the parry window when the attack comes out too fast for you? Just wondering. You want the mechanic to "roll back" time because you parried after you got hit?

Heavy with Hyperarmor and huge Zoneattacks: Lawbringer, Warlord. Those 2 are, right now, pretty good vs Assassins.

Your suggestion of a Heavy with immunity to CC effects except OOS is ridiculously OP, but there is a (passive) feat of Aramusha and Shugoki which gives you throwdown immunity even when OOS.

I am not defending "my Main" like you claim, I just evaluate your ideas and they are, sorry to say it, completely not thought through.

Charmzzz
12-08-2017, 04:13 PM
I have no problem with you going into my profile and looking at my threads and posts and bringing them up. Im not so insecure that I need to do the same to you. How did this thread turn into a "L2P, practice and refuse to adapt" thread? That's not what this thread is about, you know nothing of what I've been practising and adapting.

No one starts out bias, it's the countless assassins and their cheesy moves and the fact that every season they are released they are all OP. That's why im bias. The real waste of time is you, if you don't agree with my thread wtf you doing in here then? Just press a "No" on the poll and gtfo.

Cheesy moves? Cheesy moves are Stampede, Impale, Running Charge, Demon Embrace, Sickle Rain, Nobushi spamming Zone and Sidewinder plus Dodge, Centurion cut-scene and Shaman Bite to an extent. Which other "cheesy moves" are out there? And who got them?

You can easily pick Raider, Warlord, Lawbringer or Nobushi and kill alot of Assassins. If you are good enough. Sounds like you are not.

bob333e
12-08-2017, 04:14 PM
Feel free to look through my threads. They're all actual helpful threads and I hope they prove useful. :)

That said, I as well as others on here tried to engage in a discussion rather than blanking out on a black/white yes/no.

But you obviously have nothing thought out, just nerf wahh, and by the looks of it, and the frequency at which you post rants in this forum, I doubt you're really practicing as much as you should.

It is a barebone L2P issue. Simple as that.

SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 04:35 PM
How you increase the parry window when the attack comes out too fast for you? Just wondering. You want the mechanic to "roll back" time because you parried after you got hit?

Heavy with Hyperarmor and huge Zoneattacks: Lawbringer, Warlord. Those 2 are, right now, pretty good vs Assassins.

Your suggestion of a Heavy with immunity to CC effects except OOS is ridiculously OP, but there is a (passive) feat of Aramusha and Shugoki which gives you throwdown immunity even when OOS.

I am not defending "my Main" like you claim, I just evaluate your ideas and they are, sorry to say it, completely not thought through.

Indeed my parry suggestion was not thoroughly thought through, lets instead give him an auto parry feat with 10% succes rate against assassins. LB and Shugoki are not good against assassins like Shaman, PK and Shinobi. That matchup they will lose like 90% of the time 1v1.

You are saying my suggestion of a heavy with immunity to CC effects except OOS is OP? Well, it doesn't sound so different from all your assassins released so far then does it?


Feel free to look through my threads. They're all actual helpful threads and I hope they prove useful. :)

That said, I as well as others on here tried to engage in a discussion rather than blanking out on a black/white yes/no.

But you obviously have nothing thought out, just nerf wahh, and by the looks of it, and the frequency at which you post rants in this forum, I doubt you're really practicing as much as you should.

It is a barebone L2P issue. Simple as that.

Dont need to look through your threads, but thanks for the tip.

MafiaRider
12-08-2017, 04:39 PM
I dont know about you guys but im certainly ready for a couple of heavy&hybrid heavy heroes, assassin exterminator or not, we got too many assassins.

Alustar.
12-08-2017, 05:40 PM
Lol, this is sad, he doesn't want a class to beat up on assassins, he just outright wants a class that he can faceroll to victory without effort. Really?, an auto parry? GTFO of here with that little kid stuff. Here's a protip: if you practised as much as you *****ed, the game might be easier.

Rahnzan
12-08-2017, 05:53 PM
I wouldn't mind a Heavy with Warden's anti-bleed feat, but like others have said, have you heard of the Aramusha?

David_gorda
12-08-2017, 05:59 PM
We definitly need some heavy that are good at counter pk, only Class that has a decent chance is a warlord with fullblock stance and hyperarmor on Heavies. To many assassins in s tier like pl, shaman and gladiator.
Would be nice tonforce assassin players to use tactics when fighting instead Of spamming r1 in different directions at 400ms speed.

AlexHuaTian
12-08-2017, 06:01 PM
Just buff Shugoki. He big, hits hard and has super armor. His weakness being low mobility. Therefore he cant chase down assassins. But he can hold his ground on an objective point.

SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 06:24 PM
Lol, this is sad, he doesn't want a class to beat up on assassins, he just outright wants a class that he can faceroll to victory without effort. Really?, an auto parry? GTFO of here with that little kid stuff. Here's a protip: if you practised as much as you *****ed, the game might be easier.

Hehehe look at this mad mofo, who said I want a class that gets victory without effort? That's exactly how you assassin players are, easy no skill crap, on the other hand heavies are harder to play and take skill and consideration, not your light spamming crap assassin. Now gtfo my thread. The butthurt is strong with this guy lol....

Vakris_One
12-08-2017, 07:06 PM
Aramusha is a pretty good assassin exterminator until the assassin realises he can punish the chain with dodge strikes and deflect.


Aramusha is part assassin himself, I dont want to fight light spam with light spam.
More experienced assassins won't let you get away with light chaining them anyway. But if you don't want to play Ara then try Kensei, Zerker, Shugoki or Highlander. They all work quite well against aggressive assassins that go on the attack.


I want a heavy who have a feat that for example increase the parry window against assassins.
You could instead practice parrying until you can do it confidently and consistently. A feat doing half the work for you won't help you improve nor will it help you in modes where feats are disabled.


This heavy should also have hyperarmor, and 360 swinging attacks so every ganker can get some.
You mean Shugoki.



Shamans neck bite and the likes should only work when this heavy is OOS. Sounds like an excellent assassin killer to me.
So basically permanent hyper armour (if hyper armour could block Shaman's bite) until OOS. That would make this heavy unstoppable and unbalanced. I would instead go for Shaman's bite shouldn't be able go through Shugo's passive hyper armour nor any move with temporary hyper armour.

SlashingElbow
12-08-2017, 07:12 PM
U sound like a newb that does not know how to play, its like ******s thinking u fight a tall guy the same as a short guy. Get better and stop being a ***** on the forums

SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 07:51 PM
U sound like a newb that does not know how to play, its like ******s thinking u fight a tall guy the same as a short guy. Get better and stop being a ***** on the forums

Wtf did you just say? Write in a way so your words dont get blurred tw@t head. That second sentence you wrote... Is that some kind of MMA knowledge you are spreading or what? Cause if it is, im very skilled in that field as well. So stfu.

SlashingElbow
12-08-2017, 07:56 PM
Its fighting in general newb, muay thai sin e 2004 here 15 fights in thailand. Trained mma for some years but your standup gets destroyed and looks ugly and sloppy, im pretty sure u have no mma skills if u complain about charachters like this. Get good and learn how to fight dif styles

SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 08:17 PM
Its fighting in general newb, muay thai sin e 2004 here 15 fights in thailand. Trained mma for some years but your standup gets destroyed and looks ugly and sloppy, im pretty sure u have no mma skills if u complain about charachters like this. Get good and learn how to fight dif styles

I always applaud real fighters, but Im surprised you apply game logic to real life LOL. Me, no MMA skills? HAHAAHA. Iíve trained kickboxing and some wrestling since 2008, now in MMA for 2 years. Your stand-up skills dont get destroyed or sloppy lol? Some weird stuff you are saying coming from an muay thai fighter.

UbiJurassic
12-08-2017, 08:20 PM
As others have already said SlickCriminal27, Aramusha is currently one of the better heroes to deal specifically with assassins. This is because the reflex guard for assassins makes blocking the Aramusha's light attacks very difficult. While there are ways out of his combo as an assassin, Aramusha is still a very strong counter to assassin players.


Its fighting in general newb, muay thai sin e 2004 here 15 fights in thailand. Trained mma for some years but your standup gets destroyed and looks ugly and sloppy, im pretty sure u have no mma skills if u complain about charachters like this. Get good and learn how to fight dif styles

Nice to see you back on the forums, SlashingElbow. Just as a reminder, please try to be constructive and respectful to the other users on the forums. :)

SlashingElbow
12-08-2017, 08:20 PM
Your muay thai def gets destroyed training mma, most standup mma fighters are **** and u know it :) cant block a lowkick to save their lives.

SlashingElbow
12-08-2017, 08:21 PM
U have to train wrestling standup grappling etc. U become jack off all tradrs master of none. I love mma tho not hating

SlashingElbow
12-08-2017, 08:23 PM
Sry jurassic i stopped smoking weed so i get agressive fast haha. Ill keep a leash on myself

Nokhchalla
12-08-2017, 08:35 PM
Your muay thai def gets destroyed training mma, most standup mma fighters are **** and u know it :) cant block a lowkick to save their lives.

That depends on your training regiment and your coaches. Where Iím from we specialise in unpredictability, even if you had your muay thai def in MMA it is easy to dispose of, feint cross, lower def with jab, end with cross or hook is just an example, not saying you are just gonna stand there and do nothing when this happens though ;). Master grappling first and you can annihilate 90% of stand-up fighters from all Martial art backgrounds, if they dont get a lucky shot on you that is. You have to remember MMA is the most unpredictable sport.


U have to train wrestling standup grappling etc. U become jack off all tradrs master of none. I love mma tho not hating

Partially agree, the Martial art youíve trained first, usually is the one you are best at, even though you learn other fighting styles after that.

Good to see we got some fighters on here though :D

SlashingElbow
12-08-2017, 08:49 PM
Happy to se some fellow fighters also. Im not really a fan of the chchen/dagestani style of mma tho, i will say it is effective but not nice looking at:) for example khabib with his winging hooks and closing his eyes haha. Great grapplers with great sambo backgrounds tho

SlickCriminal27
12-08-2017, 08:57 PM
Happy to se some fellow fighters also. Im not really a fan of the chchen/dagestani style of mma tho, i will say it is effective but not nice looking at:) for example khabib with his winging hooks and closing his eyes haha. Great grapplers with great sambo backgrounds tho

Haha yea

UbiJurassic
12-08-2017, 09:12 PM
Sry jurassic i stopped smoking weed so i get agressive fast haha. Ill keep a leash on myself

Good to hear. :)

Nokhchalla
12-08-2017, 10:25 PM
Happy to se some fellow fighters also. Im not really a fan of the chchen/dagestani style of mma tho, i will say it is effective but not nice looking at:) for example khabib with his winging hooks and closing his eyes haha. Great grapplers with great sambo backgrounds tho

Haha, thatís the traditional style. I suppose you like styles like Mairbek Taisumov then, more KO than subs. He trains in Thailand too at Tiger Muay Thai ;)

Jarl.Felix
12-09-2017, 01:50 AM
Just because they named aramusha "hibrid" it's not an assasin anymore ?=)))

Hahahaah this just made my day.

CandleInTheDark
12-09-2017, 02:50 AM
Master grappling first and you can annihilate 90% of stand-up fighters from all Martial art backgrounds, if they dont get a lucky shot on you that is. You have to remember MMA is the most unpredictable sport.

That was shown very well in the first UFC events. The expectation was that strikers were going to mow through the tournaments, bearing in mind that boxing was huge in western culture then (another argument all together but I would argue more than it is now since most of it was on free to view television) and grapplers caused upsets in taking them down because the strikers didn't know what to do once it got to ground. Then you consider Gracie and the fact he was taking on much heavier opponents with jiu jitsu.

AkenoKobayashi
12-09-2017, 04:28 AM
Conq and Warlord can handle Assassins to a degree, far better than Shugoki. Shugoki can't really deal with high skill players due to him only being good at blow trading with his hyperarmor. But even that has his limits. The Aramusha can't chop up an Assassin...but once people get the hang of fighting him (i.e dodging out of his chains) then he will lose his shine.

Hormly
12-09-2017, 11:21 PM
That would be me, sir ;) point me at the assassin

Maxime_Qc-
12-10-2017, 12:07 AM
Aren't you the same dude who suggested this: https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1784774-Put-1-2-Second-Cooldown-on-Warden-s-Shoulder-Bash-amp-Conq-Shield-Bash

Yet here you are now wanting to indirectly nerf all assassins by suggesting to introduce an OP character that will steamroll assassins.

It's an L2P issue, really. First refusing to learn to properly counter Warden and Conqueror (both of which are easily disposed of provided you know what you're doing), now blatant thoughtless suggestions for S5?

Well, mind fleshing out details as to what exactly are you suggesting? provided you are already refusing to learn Aramusha (who is, by definition, the Bane of Assassins).

The funnyest part of all this is its actually how everyone on this forum sound.. ..and devs seems to listen only to people like him!!

Sad

CandleInTheDark
12-10-2017, 12:25 AM
That would be me, sir ;) point me at the assassin

That would be me, in your shadow, with my knife in your side ;)

More seriously I play mostly assassins but overall play kind of everything and I am hoping for heavies to round up my roster some, conqueror is the only pure heavy I play and valk my heavy hybrid. Vanguards would be nice as well though I have warden levelled, am working on kensei and could see myself doing raider later

grossbelly
12-10-2017, 05:03 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Valk here. Valk lights are quick enough + atk range to interrupt any assassin. Her strafe lights are amazing against PKs light spam or shibobi's kicks. The shield charge has great recovery time, you can literally jump back into it in the middle of getting combo's. It opens up plenty of range. Assassins are the most predictable IG and the active guard gives Valks a real advantage to land her lights. Valk is literally the perfect assassin counter. I think people are just scared of being cheesy with her but it's what works. Never hit the 3rd hit in the light combo, only heavy on GBs or sweeps. Don't feint. Shaman is the only issue cause her feints are wicked but she's new, I'll learn her patterns soon. But I still stomp through plenty of high repped shamans.

JadeBosson.
12-10-2017, 07:54 AM
Nobushi handles assassins pretty well

Jrock42_
12-10-2017, 02:06 PM
If any new characters are planned for Season 5, I would like one of them to be an assassin exterminator, preferably a heavy. His feats and moveset should specifically be revolved around dealing with assassins like Shaman, PK, Cent and so on. Maybe even be able to deal with 2-3 of them at the same time. All current Heavies/Hybrid Heavies in the game so far all have a very hard time dealing with assassins. We need a new heavy who should be able to solve this problem.

Well. As everyone else has said, the aramusha is here, and no he is not part assassin. He's a vanguard/heavy hybrid.

PDXGorechild
12-11-2017, 03:11 PM
Anti-Assassin: Aramashu.

Good against Assassins: Warlord, Conqueror.

Can hold their ground against Assassins (Holding points on dominion, guarding flags on tribute) : Lawbringer, Shugoki.

Nobushi and Raider are also pretty good against Assassins. Hell, I've even fought Valkyrie's that didn't let me lay a finger on them.

So that's 7 classes that aren't Assassins that are good against Assassins.

If you wanna fight fire with fire, get good with Berserker. Despite your proclamations that all Assassins are no skill faceroll classes, he's actually quite difficult to play effectively, but does very well against other Assassins.

If the point of you making this thread is to vent your frustration at the saturation of Assassin classes in this game, I understand. There are too many now, I don't think anybody would deny that, even us Assassin lovers. But if you did want help and advice, there's plenty.

CandleInTheDark
12-11-2017, 03:13 PM
Anti-Assassin: Aramashu.

Good against Assassins: Warlord, Conqueror.

Can hold their ground against Assassins (Holding points on dominion, guarding flags on tribute) : Lawbringer, Shugoki.

Nobushi and Raider are also pretty good against Assassins.

So that's 7 classes that aren't Assassins that are good against Assassins.

If you wanna fight fire with fire, get good with Berserker. Despite your proclamations that all Assassins are no skill faceroll classes, he's actually quite difficult to play effectively, but does very well against other Assassins.

Agreed with all of this, I would add kensei if the assassin is the spammy kind, side dodge light to mindgame off the unblockable is a good way to shut them down.

High-Horse
12-11-2017, 05:05 PM
If OP means in a rock/paper/scissors sort of way, then yes. There's a lot more assassins right now. If Assassins are scissors, heavies are rocks, and vanguards are paper, that makes hybrids mushrooms. We have enough scissors and mushrooms, we need more rocks and paper.

There really doesn't feel like much of a choice to play anything other than assassins and hybrids right now. And kensei, you should always play kensei.

PDXGorechild
12-12-2017, 09:58 AM
Agreed with all of this, I would add kensei if the assassin is the spammy kind, side dodge light to mindgame off the unblockable is a good way to shut them down.

I usually wouldn't admit it as he's considered one of the worst classes currently, but I have a real hard time against a good Kensei as Berserker. I have to switch my play-style up big time if they're a feintmaster. Seeing one of them rare, decorated rank 30+ Kensei makes me poo myself a bit.

Charmzzz
12-12-2017, 10:01 AM
I usually wouldn't admit it as he's considered one of the worst classes currently, but I have a real hard time against a good Kensei as Berserker. I have to switch my play-style up big time if they're a feintmaster. Seeing one of them rare, decorated rank 30+ Kensei makes me poo myself a bit.

Absolutely this. Fast forward top light, hyperarmored dodge attacks with weird timing and coming from the "other" side than the dodge, that ridiculously slow zone attack with hyperarmor, the feint games. I really have to adapt to good Kensei's and play very concentrated, otherwise I often get the parry/deflect timing on their moves wrong.

Armosias
12-12-2017, 01:53 PM
6 pages of thick burns and OP is still standing, he really is a fighter. Too bad he doesn't seems able to git gud.

Edit: I'll bring something constructive: assassins are defined by their reflex guard, meaning Ara isn't an assassin. Plus conq can turtle aggressive assassins with his fast stance switches. About the number of assassins in thť rooster: they are a way To cure defence meta, expect heavies and vanguards later since they seem to release the same heroes types for each factions.

SlickCriminal27
12-12-2017, 05:56 PM
6 pages of thick burns and OP is still standing, he really is a fighter. Too bad he doesn't seems able to git gud.

Edit: I'll bring something constructive: assassins are defined by their reflex guard, meaning Ara isn't an assassin. Plus conq can turtle aggressive assassins with his fast stance switches. About the number of assassins in thť rooster: they are a way To cure defence meta, expect heavies and vanguards later since they seem to release the same heroes types for each factions.

You see my friend, I dont have the time to game 24/7