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Dasteel1974
12-08-2017, 05:21 AM
Sorry, but this game is full of spam. Everywhere you turn there is Spam with characters. Actual characters that are nothing but spam. All day, everyday. Just getting boring to fight 4-5 characters and they all do the same sh*t over and over again. This game truly has potential to be a great game but is has been ruined by spam.

Charmzzz
12-08-2017, 09:05 AM
Well, all Characters have only 3 basic moves: Light, Heavy, GB. Then some special moves, but mostly not more than 1-2 per Character. Add in feint. That is the whole "depth" of the For Honor fight system and for me it is enough. Every "spammer" of only one move like only Light or Shove or Shieldbash is pretty vulnerable because there is always a counterplay to it. Right now there are only few moves that are unpunishable (e.g. Nobushi unlocked Sidewinder / Zone into Dash).

Burn-The-Sinner
12-08-2017, 12:53 PM
Ubisoft apparently has some serious problems with SPAM. Even their forum is 90% spam and 10% threads. Which is what the actual gameplay has been turned into: 90% light spam and 10% some engaging and interesting mechanics.

Alustar.
12-08-2017, 12:57 PM
This kills me, like Charmz said, define spam please?

ChampionRuby50g
12-08-2017, 01:09 PM
The way I define spam, the same move, or cheesey move, repeated over and over again.

Yeah it can be annoying to deal with, but if someone is spamming over and over again, should you not know to expect them to continue to do so and react accordingly?

Dasteel1974
12-08-2017, 02:49 PM
You can only dodge so many times. And when they do land the spam move, they get 1-2 hits out of it. Then you have to look for the quick follow up spam. So many things about this game make no sense. How some characters have moves that are near risk free and others have to claw for just 1 hit. Or if you fall from 15ft or get hit with water from the geyser you die, but get hit in the face with a mace/huge axe/sword/weapon and you are totally cool. Or even better, Shugoki 100% kill when almost dead. To me that is about the dumbest thing ever. Talk about wall splat. Gets old to fight somebody with the HP/armor of Shugoki only to have him kill you in 1 move because he parried me. Then the unbalanced players. Love the characters and graphics. Love the movement. But dear god wtf with everything else. I am really starting to think that Ubi doesnít give a rats *** about the game and wants it dead. To me it is the most logical conclusion.

Charmzzz
12-08-2017, 03:15 PM
If you are able to dodge those "spam" moves - you can punish them with a GB (e.g. Bashes) or with a parry. No idea what you are talking about, seriously. Yes, Shugoki Wallsplat into Demon Embrace is annoying and I want it to be tweaked, too. But it does not break the game.

1 hit kills from geyser or falling down - does not break the game. Just stay away from geyser in that ONE map... Avoid ledges if you can.

Which moves you mean that are "near risk free"? Examples?

Alustar.
12-08-2017, 03:19 PM
That problem steaks from the bulk of the roster being season 1 cast. I put a post up in season two that it felt like the two new heroes at the time had more fleshed out kits than the entire respective faction they belonged to. This problem is only compounded season by season.
They are gong to be reworking the original cast section by section from the bottom up. The most I can say is, enjoy what you have available now, because everything we know is about to unravel.

Tatsumaru.
12-08-2017, 03:28 PM
Sorry, but this game is full of spam. Everywhere you turn there is Spam with characters. Actual characters that are nothing but spam. All day, everyday. Just getting boring to fight 4-5 characters and they all do the same sh*t over and over again. This game truly has potential to be a great game but is has been ruined by spam.

Weíve being telling the devs this since launch.

Dasteel1974
12-08-2017, 08:26 PM
If you are able to dodge those "spam" moves - you can punish them with a GB (e.g. Bashes) or with a parry. No idea what you are talking about, seriously. Yes, Shugoki Wallsplat into Demon Embrace is annoying and I want it to be tweaked, too. But it does not break the game.

1 hit kills from geyser or falling down - does not break the game. Just stay away from geyser in that ONE map... Avoid ledges if you can.

Which moves you mean that are "near risk free"? Examples?


Stay away from ledges and geysers? Yea. Because I have control over where my opponent goes and ledges are all over the place. Geysers take up pretty much half the board and several boards have a ledge that go all around it and depending on your opponent, nowhere is safe from being ledged. I donít have a problem in them hurting you. But hot water shouldnít kill you if a sword being stabbed through your head doesnít. I shouldnít have stand in a spot and refuse to fight away from certain things because the game is set up DAF in several ways. Also never said that they broke the game only pointed out the flaws of the setup. L If you donít know the moves on here that are near risk free then you donít need to try to tell me how to play.

mhenry80
12-08-2017, 08:54 PM
Sorry, but this game is full of spam. Everywhere you turn there is Spam with characters. Actual characters that are nothing but spam. All day, everyday. Just getting boring to fight 4-5 characters and they all do the same sh*t over and over again. This game truly has potential to be a great game but is has been ruined by spam.


Why does arushma ( pretty sure I misspelled) have auto block and all they do is press downwards no skill and completely frustrating

SangLong524
12-08-2017, 09:03 PM
Why does arushma ( pretty sure I misspelled) have auto block and all they do is press downwards no skill and completely frustrating

*ehem* warlord
*ehem* conqueror
*ehem* valk, in a way
*ehem* aramusha is a hybrid
So, nothing new

ChampionRuby50g
12-08-2017, 09:49 PM
Stay away from ledges and geysers? Yea. Because I have control over where my opponent goes and ledges are all over the place. Geysers take up pretty much half the board and several boards have a ledge that go all around it and depending on your opponent, nowhere is safe from being ledged. I donít have a problem in them hurting you. But hot water shouldnít kill you if a sword being stabbed through your head doesnít. I shouldnít have stand in a spot and refuse to fight away from certain things because the game is set up DAF in several ways. Also never said that they broke the game only pointed out the flaws of the setup. L If you donít know the moves on here that are near risk free then you donít need to try to tell me how to play.


Well, you kinda do have control. Don't want to fight near a ledge? Simply don't follow your opponent there as there is no map that is solely based around ledges. There will always be a spot you can fight at without a ledge nearby. Just learn a little patience, if your opponent doesn't want to fight at your spot, even attack him once near the ledge so he's damaged more then back off. That will give you the victory if in Duel for example, as his health is lower.

Same deal with the geyser fields. It's one map, and you can always run out of the field. The geyser gives plenty of warning before erupting, and it's a bit more than just "hot water" you'd basically be cooked alive inside armor if you stood in one. Not a pleasant thought, and something you wouldn't survive. I mean, you said t yourself. They cover half the map. That's another half you can fight in without any worries.

Dasteel1974
12-09-2017, 01:46 AM
Well, you kinda do have control. Don't want to fight near a ledge? Simply don't follow your opponent there as there is no map that is solely based around ledges. There will always be a spot you can fight at without a ledge nearby. Just learn a little patience, if your opponent doesn't want to fight at your spot, even attack him once near the ledge so he's damaged more then back off. That will give you the victory if in Duel for example, as his health is lower.

Same deal with the geyser fields. It's one map, and you can always run out of the field. The geyser gives plenty of warning before erupting, and it's a bit more than just "hot water" you'd basically be cooked alive inside armor if you stood in one. Not a pleasant thought, and something you wouldn't survive. I mean, you said t yourself. They cover half the map. That's another half you can fight in without any worries.

Sorry but no. Have no interest in standing there with my thumb up my arse waiting for time to expire. Donít mind damage and donít mind cliffs. But there is a certain degree of balance that I would expect and this game is anything but balanced. It is actually idiotically unbalanced in a lot of ways. It should just get fixed. This game has potential but as is, a wreck of flaws that even after 20 updates and fixes, still screwed up.

Charmzzz
12-09-2017, 11:07 AM
The only "safe move" I know is Nobushi locking on an opponent out of range, then Zone / Sidewinder into an instant Dodge. You can only block that, no parry possible. Which other safe moves you mean?