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BS87
03-11-2004, 09:36 PM
Yes, lets clear one thing up. This is a rant thread. I'm not forcing you tor ead it, so dont if you plan on making smart comments.

Lets start off by saying i was in a wonderful server tonight, having lots of fun. Server rule is that vulching is allowed. This i am fine with. Its 'war' as they say. But i just cannot for the life of me figure out what posseses people to vulch landing aircraft, who have their lights on, gear and flaps down, and are rolling to a stop. Do they get some kind of sick satisfaction? I can see vulching grounded aircraft to keep the enemy supressed, or for points, but a landing, helpless aircraft that struggled home? Why? I just do not understand.

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BS87
03-11-2004, 09:36 PM
Yes, lets clear one thing up. This is a rant thread. I'm not forcing you tor ead it, so dont if you plan on making smart comments.

Lets start off by saying i was in a wonderful server tonight, having lots of fun. Server rule is that vulching is allowed. This i am fine with. Its 'war' as they say. But i just cannot for the life of me figure out what posseses people to vulch landing aircraft, who have their lights on, gear and flaps down, and are rolling to a stop. Do they get some kind of sick satisfaction? I can see vulching grounded aircraft to keep the enemy supressed, or for points, but a landing, helpless aircraft that struggled home? Why? I just do not understand.

http://www.geocities.com/bs87cr/Sigfinal1.txt

Sturmvogel66
03-11-2004, 09:41 PM
It is war....as they say.

BaronVonSnoopy
03-11-2004, 09:47 PM
Sometimes I think maybe that's the only way they can get any kills...

Fillmore
03-11-2004, 09:51 PM
"who have their lights on"

that's the answer right there.

buz13
03-11-2004, 10:00 PM
Actually that's realism....P51's would hang out around German airbases just to catch Me 262's landing or taking off.....
The idea is to destroy the enemy.....how you do it is up to you...
Dropping bombs on civilians seems a lot worse than shooting down a landing aircraft with a military person inside.
The fewer rules there are in the online game the better. If you want landers protected set up lots of AAA....and get a wingman.

Dolemite-
03-11-2004, 10:04 PM
yeah.....I get a big kick out of doing that, Ha ha ha ha ha........

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HH Quazi
03-11-2004, 10:06 PM
When a server says "Vulching Allowed", that means anything on the enemy airstrip either parked or rolling. Personally, I'll vulch, if allowed, but only a/c that are parked or taking off. I will not vulch a landing a/c. But sometimes, if I reach an airfield a little late and didn't see that a/c just land, I would think it was trying to take off, or taxiing. But some don't care as they are playing for points. To me, points are worthless. I fly to out fly my opponet. If I loose, I loose. If I win, I look for the next fight and don't worry about landing. But that is just me. And I'm not knocking those who fight and land for points. That's the reason I will not fire on a landing a/c. He may be landing to get points for a kill he worked for. Some want all the points they can get. But, I don't fight for points. I fight for the experience. One's bound to get better as they go along. lol

J30Vader
03-11-2004, 10:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
The fewer rules there are in the online game the better. If you want landers protected set up lots of AAA....and get a wingman.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or try Combat Air Patrol. If it was coded so that you could not spawn from a destroyed base, you just might see more realistic air ops on the open servers.

Wonder what you would do in a Pacific sim when all your guys go after kills, and come back to find your carrier sunk because you didn't feel like protecting it.

IMO, you should get big points for destroying the ground targets, not the planes.

To quote an unknown A-10 pilot:

" You can shoot down every Mig the Russians deploy. But if you get back to base and see the Russian tank commander eating breakfast in your snack bar, Jack, you lost the war."

Or something like that.

BS87
03-11-2004, 10:31 PM
Yes, i know its war. Thats what i said. And p51s attacked 262s on takeoff and landing because a) it was pretty much the only sure way to get them and b) it was real life, with real people dying not an electronic game.

Maybe if he didnt see me roll to a stop, that would be fine. This guy followed me home for about a good 1-2 minutes at about 1km back, watched as a circled with half a tail, let me land, then as i rolled to a stop, boom, mk108 of death.

http://www.geocities.com/bs87cr/Sigfinal1.txt

Slammin_
03-11-2004, 11:32 PM
Make the skies safe before you land. Landing with the enemy staring at you is risky business.

BlackHawkLeader
03-12-2004, 12:18 AM
(chuckle) Good advice Slammin,
I have flown Online against some very competative people in IL-2 and IL-2/FB over the years.
In servers where vulching was allowed, they never hesitated in blowing me away while I was desperatly trying to land a combat damaged aircraft.
I have also never wasted an opportunity for PAY BACK TIME he he!

Its all part of the fun in an Online War Zone!

S!

ELEM
03-12-2004, 01:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BS87:
Yes, lets clear one thing up. This is a rant thread. I'm not forcing you tor ead it, so dont if you plan on making smart comments.

Lets start off by saying i was in a wonderful server tonight, having lots of fun. Server rule is that vulching is allowed. This i am fine with. Its 'war' as they say. But i just cannot for the life of me figure out what posseses people to vulch landing aircraft, who have their lights on, gear and flaps down, and are rolling to a stop. Do they get some kind of sick satisfaction? I can see vulching grounded aircraft to keep the enemy supressed, or for points, but a landing, helpless aircraft that struggled home? Why? I just do not understand.

http://www.geocities.com/bs87cr/Sigfinal1.txt <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a very contradictory post! At first you say vulching is fine with you. You go on to say you cant understand why people do it and dont like it when it's done to you. If the server allows it, it's fair for all to do. If you dont like it, leave!

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

Leech_
03-12-2004, 02:29 AM
If vulching is allowed and server is scripted counting planes and pilots, the why wouldnt You do everything you can by the rules for 'your country'.

So you just have to struggle little more, If theres enemy on your field the AA helps, if AA is destroyed tough luck, its war. Go to another airfield or if impossible land on some road nearby etc. I have never got offended being shot while landing, if its allowed by the server. If theres threat in the field try to eliminate it before landing (No ammo left for way home? Risky decision and personally choosed strategy)

To sum it up I dont really understand your comment about "sick satisfaction". I dont think many occasions are "helpless", theres always a way to struggle for your life http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BS87:
Yes, lets clear one thing up. This is a rant thread. I'm not forcing you tor ead it, so dont if you plan on making smart comments.

Lets start off by saying i was in a wonderful server tonight, having lots of fun. Server rule is that vulching is allowed. This i am fine with. Its 'war' as they say. But i just cannot for the life of me figure out what posseses people to vulch landing aircraft, who have their lights on, gear and flaps down, and are rolling to a stop. Do they get some kind of sick satisfaction? I can see vulching grounded aircraft to keep the enemy supressed, or for points, but a landing, helpless aircraft that struggled home? Why? I just do not understand.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Dmitri9mm
03-12-2004, 03:00 AM
On the server that I run I always allow Vulching, why? Not because it was the grim reallity of WWII, not because I think it's fun (even though I do) but simply because people are on the server to have fun and therefore should have as few restrictions as possible. Exept for racist comments, cheating, extreme lagging and teamkilling no one is restricted on my server.
And BTW: The server I run usually is a crap-plane only server with no Wonder Woman View, limited ammo and thik FLAK at the home bases, so vulching ain't not never gonna be no problem.

WUAF_Badsight
03-12-2004, 03:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BS87:
This guy followed me home for about a good 1-2 minutes at about 1km back, watched as a circled with half a tail, let me land, then as i rolled to a stop, boom, mk108 of death. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


im not a fan of shooting people when they are landing as i like to let people recieve the points they have earnt

BUT IF I WAS CHASING SOMEONE FOR 2+ MINUTES then id shoot them if they just tried bugging out of the fight

this wasnt the case here but you sound like your moaning anyway

getting shot on the ground WILL NEVER STOP

its a part of combat flight sims & WE ALL simply have to get used to it & deal with it

if you dont like to get shot at there is this excellent flight sim by MicroSoft called Flight Simulator 2004

do try it , its rather good

ELEM
03-12-2004, 03:13 AM
I actually like the challenge of avoiding being vulched when landing. It happens a lot in the off line campaigns. So why should it not happen on line. I like to jink, weave and yaw all the way to the ground with the vulcher throwing shells all around me. I like to think of their frustration as they keep missing, wasting ammo and often getting so distracted that they fly into the ground, while I gently touch down relatively unharmed.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

Tully__
03-12-2004, 03:30 AM
If it's a scripted server, one more aircraft destroyed is one less available to the enemy and one step closer to goals achieved/victory. If it's not a scripted server, as long as it's within server rules it's a personal choice. If I wasn't prepared to accept it, I wouldn't fly there.

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Willthisnamedo
03-12-2004, 03:47 AM
I've gotta say, I'd get more annoyed by being constantly vulched as I try to spawn - you can feel that you're never gonna get into the game.

Conversely, if I've chased someone, shot bits off him, and am nearly there when he suddenly drops flaps and gear, turns his lights on and thinks he can say "ooh,no no, can't shoot me now", he's gonna get a little surprise from me: you can't expect someone to allow you to escape becasue they've done a good enough job on your aircraft to force you to run for home...

But at the end of the day, whatever the server rules are suits me...

Fender74
03-12-2004, 04:04 AM
i vulched someone for the first time last week,and i feel terribly guilty about it.

FALK81
03-12-2004, 04:14 AM
That was me vulching you last night. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif
I had been following you for a good while. Seeing you land on an undefended strip close to the border, shooting down half my team first. First i missed you coming from your 3oclock, zoomed up, watched you land..

The temptation was too much.. Thought it might have looked cool for you too to die in such an estethical orgy of violence! 108 rounds hitting the ground all around. helplessly watching the massacre. And then the silence and peace that death must have given you.

I am sorry.. But it must have been a beatiful sight.

BTW. hi everyone! Read these forums everyday, but haven't felt like i have anything to contribute.

I AM A VULCHER.
Falk zooming up..

SeaFireLIV
03-12-2004, 04:23 AM
Yes. I was coming in to a landing last night alone and just as my gears came down hot tracer shells zoomed past my cockpit. I made a fast twist right while pulling up my gears. But my alt was too loww, speed to low and I crashed near the Tower. Fortunately, I was still alive and ran out just bfore it exploded.

My wingman said it was bad form for the Jerry pilot to do that, but I don`t mind. It`s war. It was actually quite fun. I probably would not have been quite so happy had he killed me, but I know who the pilot was and I hope he won`t mind when I eventually blow him away on landing. If he does mind, tough titty! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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FALK81
03-12-2004, 04:41 AM
heres a little reconstruction that i made.. I came from directly above.
http://www.filmfotograf.no/bilder/sorry.jpg

03-12-2004, 04:45 AM
Taking off/landing at a vulched field is always at one's own risk.

Gear out? Flaps down? So what?

Zayets
03-12-2004, 05:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
If it's a scripted server, one more aircraft destroyed is one less available to the enemy and one step closer to goals achieved/victory. If it's not a scripted server, as long as it's within server rules it's a personal choice. If I wasn't prepared to accept it, I wouldn't fly there.

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So that explains everything!
A week ago I was in one of these scripted servers which are cool because it gives a reason to concentrate on goals. I was , as usuallly, in my ole trusty IL2-3M. Killed all AA on airbase and headed home for report. Then, tthis Bf and 2 FW's came from my 6. I knew thatt it will be bad because I was pretty far away from our base. THis Bf driver was really noob, firing Mk's like an idiot without touching me. I was keeping a straight flight path to allow gunner to fire. It took a FW to kill my gunner, but by that time I was so slow that this Bf ended in front of me,he was smoking, so I fired at thim with all my guns , don't know if I hit him but what I know is that all those FW's were firing at me, I guess they were touching each other , but hey! Who doesn't want a big fat IL2 on the dinner table. So , smke engine, no problem , no rudder, no problem, then no elevators and holes in wings. Was time to bail out. Which I did. On my way down I was thinking what a heck I will say to the Feldgendarmerie once I'll be captured.
But wait!!!! Remember that Bf? He saw FW's brought me down but probably pissed because his bulleets won't count. So , he dove toward my burning IL and put some bulets on its way down. I guess victory was not awarded to him because he came back and HE SHOT MY FECKEN CHUTE!!!Wow! I thought , wtf, I was not even sayin' anything to pi$$ him off , but anyway, watching myself going down without chute I've waited to seee the message that XXX killed Zayets and logged out. I was trying to xplain this behavior , but didn't cared that much afterwards.One thing is for sure from now on and beware:
If I'll ever be online in a server containing the IL2 or Jug , whatever heavy ,

I WILL POUND YER CRATES WHILE ON THE GROUND ,LANDING , TAKING OFF , CRASH LANDED , WHATEVER!

This even if SERVER DOES NOT ALLOW VULCHING.You will kick me? Big deal , ban me? Same stuff , cry like a wussies on this forum how crap vulcher Zayets is? Make me day, from now on I'll keep the tracks , worth the laugh in a while.

So , to the original poster , my friends , I don't give a flyin' snack you're landing or you're going to take a pee, you're mine. This of course if I am still alive and flying. Have a good one!

Zayets out
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essemm
03-12-2004, 05:31 AM
Wicked!

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SeaFireLIV
03-12-2004, 05:35 AM
I can understand Zayets a bit. I was once forced to crashland in my LA5. I bailed and started running and the FWD9 strafed me and shot me outside the plane. He even said, "Where are you going?" I guess he thought he was clever. That has been the ONLY time ever that anyone`s ever shot my pilot out of the plane and on the ground. I must admit I was seething a while after that.

And I still have never had the chance to feed him the same medicine. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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BSS_Goat
03-12-2004, 05:46 AM
FALK81 does not seem to feel real bad. LOL

ptthome
03-12-2004, 05:53 AM
If he only sprayed you with cannon - it wasn't me, i'd have added rockets bombs and ptab. I just cant resist the noise and colour of explosions.

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MatuDa
03-12-2004, 06:04 AM
Why land in an airfield that is being vulched? stay up and shoot the silly bugger down of at least force them into combat so that others may take off and continue while you land safely..

Actually I like the no-holds-barred combat, much more fun when anything goes. Usually the ones who vulch landing planes are n00bs and it is fairly easy to make them overshoot.. just pull the gear back up and apply full throttle and you can make him pay when he flies past http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

if the server rules say vulching is allowed.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif what do you really expect? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
03-12-2004, 06:15 AM
Well, it's not very honorable, but if it is allowed, you know you shouldn't land were the enemy is patrolling.

Personally I'm perfectly fine with vulching, IF there ARE several airstrips to take off and land on. But that doesn't mean I do it myself.

But I get tought better each time I play online. Just yesterday a Spit ran from me and my wingy, waving and with smoke on. After hunting him back over the border line, me and my wingman turned and I wrote that we'll leave him. He was smokin and had holes all over the plane.
When we turned, he turned, too, attacking my teammate before I shot that Spit down, finally.
It was a nice dogfight, but a not very honorable move. Won't say the name here, cause the topic was cleared and it was a really nice fight before that incident.

So, after all, please keep in mind, it's a game. Restart and kill him, too.


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Au_flyer
03-12-2004, 06:25 AM
This is stupid on a major scale. Why someone has not started a squadron called "Naive" is beyond me. If I apply the Catch22 rule then perhaps I should start it myself?

Mispunt
03-12-2004, 06:30 AM
I usually don't shoot a landing aircraft unless I messed him up and he's trying to bugger out of the fight. No mercy there hehe.
Anyway about shooting parachutes or pilots on the ground, in principal I don't really care if someone would do this to me. However because it's considered "unethical" by the community at large this makes it a personal insult and is therefor hard to ignore.
Which is funny because I don't give a hoot about the virtual live of my pilot.

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JG27_Dacripler
03-12-2004, 06:35 AM
The host who creates the server usually makes their rules upon entry of the game. Read those as they are your guidelines to follow at all costs.

If in doubt don't.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-12-2004, 07:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slammin_:
Make the skies safe before you land. Landing with the enemy staring at you is risky business.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


This is the best advice. I can't tell you how many times I've struggled back home fighting the controls the whole way and with a certain satisfaction touched down and rolled out only to see my screen go black from being a "target of opportunity".

Bottom line: Don't allow yourself to become a target (as much as possible). When you get back to base, circle at altitude and check both visually and on friendly chat for enemy activity.

Otherwise...deal with it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



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Teufel_Eldritch
03-12-2004, 08:57 AM
It is a very public server. You cannot reasonably expect ppl to play ultra-honorably on your average/typical public server. Just aint gonna happen. Nope. It just aint.

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BS87
03-12-2004, 01:17 PM
Vulching to me is shooting a grounded, stationary aircraft. And i don't think it was you falk, because the person who did this follwed me, never made a pass on me at all, ignored the 3+ grounded planes sitting at the airfield, waited until i touched down, then fired. That is not vulching in my book, thats just low. I would not have landed if i could have kept flying, but with half a tail, sliding all over the place it was hard to be combat efective. And it was quite impossible for me to shoot down half your team, considering I was coming back from ground pounding.

Did not mean to stir up the hornet's nest, i guess other people consider shooting landing planes as pure vulching. I know it was allowed, and i'm not saying that the person should not have done this, they can do it if they want to. I'm just trying to figure out *why*.

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Dunkelgrun
03-12-2004, 01:41 PM
I like to fly the Il-2 and other ground pounders, coming in low and getting anything on the airfield whether it's landing, taking off or what. My excuse is that this is what the plane was designed for!
Sometimes though I'll beat up an airfield in a fighter, but, and this is the fun part, without firing a shot! Folk think that I'm about to vulch them and I just whizz past at zero alt waving out of the cockpit. It usually winds people up so much that I'm dead within the minute, lol.
On a slightly different note I once dragged a loaded TB3 up to an enemy airfield on the mountain map. I lurched up the side of the mountain and appeared like a huge bird of prey right at the side of the airfield at zero feet. Some guy spawned, saw me loom up large in front of him and despawned just as quickly. My gunners were hitting the ground where he'd been, he went that quickly. A moral victory to me, methinks, and perhaps a change of trousers for him! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif
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ajafoofoo
03-12-2004, 01:53 PM
The same tards who like to shoot landing airplanes will in hypocritical fashion get all pissed off when you return the favor to them over and over.

I only resort to it to pay back punks who employ this tactic constantly.

More often than not, they'll swear a bit and leeave the server.

They probably leave to go play some fps were they can use cheats to get kills. Attacking landing planes is the closest and most aggraviting thing they can do in IL2.

Hawgdog
03-12-2004, 02:05 PM
In real life they would....blah blah...

yeah, in real life. This however is a game.
game
game
fun game. I dont get it either, vulchers are typically losers or friends, never both (in my case) I do enjoy nailing a friend after chasing him back to base. Its a game, and I can expect the same back, hate it..sure, but fun.
Now then enter the noob, or seasoned dirtbag
pffft

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nickdanger3
03-12-2004, 02:56 PM
Personally, I don't have a problem with shooting/getting shot down on landing. If I'm the one in the crosshairs, it probably means that I used up all my ammo and /or my a/c is all shot up from, you know, trying to shoot the other guy down. Cmon, after doing your best to shoot down somebody, I think it's only fair that he get's to take his best shot.

Conversely, if somebody bails on a fight because he's out of ammo or his ac is damaged, I'm not likely to forgive and forget just because he lowers his gear.

Now, getting waxed on takeoff - that's annoying.

BS87
03-12-2004, 03:11 PM
I agree, the people seem to be missing my point. I have no qualms about the actual event. While i would almost never do it myself, and while i do not like it, i deal with it. The person followed the rules of the server and did *nothing* wrong. If i could not stand vulching i would play where it was no allowed. All i'm trying to do is figure out what motivates people to partake in the various forms of Vulching.

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nickdanger3
03-12-2004, 03:19 PM
BS87 - thanks for the clarification - what possesses? Simple

I want somebody crash and burn after they tried to shoot me down.

If we're scrapping and they try to land, that's not my problem - they should hightail it towards friendly aircraft and keep on evading till they can get some help.

Now, keep in mind I'm just talking about people landing who have been fighting with me. Camping out over the enemy base and waiting to shoot down landing planes - NO WAY - would never do that.

BM357_Raven
03-12-2004, 04:39 PM
I hate being vluched..Dont you? Especially when I am bringing home a couple kills.

But if vulching is allowed, I'll vulch away. I will attack and break the enemy anyway I can. I play hardball.

If it's a scripted server with pilots as an objective and you bail, I promise to shoot you in your shoot as well.

I'd expect you to be a smart playa and do the same. Anytime the server says no vulching or chuting, then I won't vulch or chute at all..

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Metallicaner
03-12-2004, 04:43 PM
It should be ok to everyonhe that you're playing in a dogfight and get vulched at when you're taking off or are on the ground starting up your engine(s) for to take off, but when you're landing, that's kinda llame

But everything about vulching, including the landing part is okay to me in both VEF adn VOW, because that's how it was during that war.. and still is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

mllaneza
03-12-2004, 05:13 PM
My two cents on vulching:

A 262 with wheels up is fair game. I've been yelled at for nailing a 262 flying serenely through a furball after takeoff. If it's fair when you're going 150kph faster than me, then it's fair when I'm going 150kph faster than YOU.

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pinche_bolillo
03-12-2004, 05:55 PM
when I run my game &lt;AFJ&gt;BOLILLO be prepaired to get shot at where ever you are. I have found that there is a tiny vulcher in every one of us and all it needs to come out is a low and slow points mongering smoking enemy a/c returning to base with 5-7 kills under his belt, just 500 meters short of the runway. I have seen some guys that are so mean, that they actually straff the enemy pilot as he runs from the crash scene, now thats brutal.

btw, my game has nothing to do with the squad that I am a member of, it is not a dedicated afj server or anything like that.

I began running this game about a month ago. I came to this game about 3 months back. and the things I noticed were most were guys bickering about are silly codes of conduct and the like. most guys seem eger and willing to vulch and do other naughty acts, infact they seem to like it. most people do not complain about it either. I see less griping in my no rules game than I do in other servers. infact I see very little griping.

I rarely straff a/c taking off and landing. I do not even care to bomb them or shoot rockets at them while they are on the ground or taking off and landing. I like to do it to people I know personally. especially those squad buddies that are having a bad day. yes I am a buddy.

BM357_OnYerSix
03-12-2004, 06:14 PM
I see where you are coming from, but the reason I've found myself vulching landing aircraft is in a scripted server when the win depends on eliminating pilots and aircraft, so if I see a chance to lower that number to get closer to a win...I'll vulch.

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Slick750
03-12-2004, 08:52 PM
I dont mind being vulched, as long as the guy doesnt turn over the airfield waiting for spawning planes. Airfields with more then 2-3 AA guns do the trick. Sometimes when you follow a damaged plane, once you reach him, your over his base far from your own and flack starts.
By then, ill shoot him wheels up or down and any ambulance i see.

USAAF352_PE_C
03-12-2004, 09:13 PM
Ok, I have to weigh in on this one....I read the boards, seldom post. I tend to agree with the "it's war, anything goes," crowd. However, I very seldom shoot a landing aircraft. I much prefer to keep my altitude and not allow enemy aircraft to get above me. I suppose if I were low, and saw an enemy, I'd shoot him, no matter what his landing gear position may be. But, from 5,000m up, it's just not worth diving for, to get one simple kill.

FI-Aflak
03-12-2004, 09:24 PM
I have killed landing A/C before. Mostly because I'm flying high alt in my jug or one of the new jets or the lightning or whatnot, and then I spy an enemy that is both low and slow. Me: "mmmm, meat" and I dive on it. However, once I get close enough to realize hes got his gear down and whatnot, I've already reduced my energy by 20-30%, and so I must extract vengence.

I generally stay away from landing and takeing off A/c for the simple reason that I have trouble hitting them. I'm used to shooting fast target, and I'll empty my ammo at a plane flying level at 170 kph without hitting it. The curse of energy fighting.

On a bomb run, though, anything is fair.

I didn't fly a P-38 with 2000 pounds of explosives all the way to drop them on some ****ing FUEL TANKS or anything, i came them to ice some aircraft, and that means that I drop them on anything that is on or near the ground, because nothing attracts enemies like a P-38 or any other fighter-bomber heavily laden with ordinance.

Egads, getting to the enemy base is a great challenge, and I expect to get at least on kill just for the challenge of getting there.

Heh, I put a 1000lbs bomb a foot in front of a 262 that was spooling its engines. He said "LoL dud AP shell!" cause I had a 2-sec bomb delay; as soon as I got to a respectable height, it exploded. Haha.

Heh, I was in a Bf-110G on my runway, and an Il-2 flew over and I saw the bomb land a few inches behind me. It didn't go off, so I firewalled my throttles. It must have had a five second delay, I got out of range before it went off.

Ahh, bombing = fun.

karost
03-12-2004, 09:40 PM
vulching opponent at his home base not my favor but depend on situation
if I over opponent's air base I will fly over and looking for the one who take off then he far away for his AAA then I will drive to eat him. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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but if I see a guy shot vulching my friend at my air base and he use his batter speed run away back to his base , find... I will fllow and give him a same surprise .

2)
if I was BnZ by some guy and he not smart by give me a chance to nock his engine off if he bail out then I let him go, but if he try to bail land so I will open flap come close to him at 7 o'clock when my gunsign line at his cockpit at 50 meter then "BOOM" with 108 before
his gear land on the ground....


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BigMotor
03-13-2004, 08:48 AM
My first online experience a year ago included a savage vulching of myself while I was escaping a burning aircraft at my home field. I have not been back online since. Not because of the vulching so much (although that really p***ed me off) but because the whole experience was totally unrelated to anything that happened in WW2. There was no teamwork, no communication, and no goals other than trying to shoot down warping, uber planes with your one, measly aircraft.
And to those who say, just go over to his field and do your own vulching, I say- No thanks, that's not my syle.
I agree with the original poster. I've outgrown "UT of the Skies".

BM357_OnYerSix
03-22-2004, 03:22 PM
Really, BigMotor, there was no vulching in WW2. Hmmm, I seem to think differently.

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BM357_OnYerSix
03-22-2004, 03:23 PM
Planes strafed many targets on the ground all the time in WW2, including aircraft AND people.

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Supr
03-22-2004, 03:43 PM
I personally just like the easy target;. Oh and watching the pretty smoke too.

PBNA-Boosher
03-22-2004, 06:33 PM
I only vulch those who vulch me. And I only do it the number of times they've done it to me. To avoid them I jink on takeoff, or take a plane that takes off short, and they run away. I feel, if you don't like it, leave the server.