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harold x
08-06-2004, 07:52 AM
help please. despite several attempts at trimming a plane i cannot get a response. ihave tried alternative keyboard panels and still no response.foe example when i press crtl left arrow to trim left aileron the plane banks left.

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harold x
08-06-2004, 07:52 AM
help please. despite several attempts at trimming a plane i cannot get a response. ihave tried alternative keyboard panels and still no response.foe example when i press crtl left arrow to trim left aileron the plane banks left.

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Zayets
08-06-2004, 08:01 AM
That's normal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Aileron trim is doing this.Do rudder trim if you want only to yaw the plane and elevator trim if you want a certain pitch or to stabilize it.
Some planes don't have trim for all control surfaces.One that comes now in mind is the 109E.This one has only elevator trim if my memory serves me well.

Zayets out

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Cippacometa
08-06-2004, 08:02 AM
Not all aircraft have all surface control trimmed. It depends on which airplane you did your test.
Some A/C have only elevator (pitch) trims, some have also rudder (yaw) trims, very few have also aileron (roll) trims.
P-51 and P-38 have 3 trims, all german figthers have only pitch trim, several russian A/C and P-40 have pitch and rudder trims.

BinaryFalcon
08-06-2004, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>foe example when i press crtl left arrow to trim left aileron the plane banks left.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do then. Try putting in some right trim if you want to stop rolling left.

The other problem you may be having is that the aircraft you're flying just doesn't have trim installed. In that case, you definitely won't see any results.

I rarely bother with aileron trim myself, and in most cases just use rudder assuming it's available. It comes in handy when one wing gets torn up and the plane wants to roll to one side a lot. I can't think of a whole lot of cases where aileron trim would be preferable to rudder trim, to be honest.

ELEM
08-06-2004, 08:06 AM
Or do what I do, and dont use it at all.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

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hughlb2
08-06-2004, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:
Or do what I do, and dont use it at all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wish I could do that. Pitching down/foward using my stick is impossible because it spikes badly, the slightest push foward on the stick and it reads it as full pitch down, so i'm stuck with using elvator trim all the timehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

What do we learn from this: Logitech make excellent paper weights.

Udidtoo
08-06-2004, 08:30 AM
Elem has a pretty good suggestion as its really not even required often in FB unless you want to emmulate long distance hands free flight between long waypoints.

When I finally got a seperate throttle and had all the extra buttons available I found the best way to learn the different planes habits was to just fire up QMB, no objective, set altitude to 3000 and just experiment.

Some of the planes in FB react very little to trimming, some react with a good deal of vigor to, at least in my mind, very little input and like some above said, quite a few planes don't even have rudder or ailrons.

Only time I bother is planes that have a tendency to nose up constantly.

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I always have just enough fuel to arrive at the scene of my crash.

Cippacometa
08-06-2004, 08:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
Pitching down/foward using my stick is impossible because it spikes badly...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had the same problem with the shìtty Logitech Force 3D joystick.
After throwing it in the bean and buying a new Saitek Cyborg Force Feedback, no more such problems! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Too bad, however, that this latter joystick has a very crà p ambidextrous design that is as bad for right- as for left-handers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
Not to speak about the huge buttons that are so close to each other that you press the 2 of them instead of 1. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
Anyway, the aircraft control improves by 200%! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Franzen
08-06-2004, 08:57 AM
Actually I have had and currently have the same problems. First, with IL-2 I found out that it takes about 20 key strokes to get any response. Then, after installing FB, the trimming on the keys didn't work at all on any plane. My solution was to buy the X45 and use the throttle with my 3D-Gold. The X45 stick is somewhere behind my monitor where it belongs.

The only trim I care about is the elevator so both the elevator trim and flaps or on 2 different pots. This works very well for me.

Fritz Franzen

horseback
08-06-2004, 09:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cippacometa:
Too bad, however, that this latter joystick has a very crà p ambidextrous design that is as bad for right- as for left-handers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
Not to speak about the huge buttons that are so close to each other that you press the 2 of them instead of 1. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
Anyway, the aircraft control improves by 200%! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Three words: thumb reduction surgery.

cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

gates123
08-06-2004, 10:08 AM
For triming i use my keyboard arrows with shift &lt;- -&gt; as aileron trim and no shift rudder. I don't own a hotas just yet. Since theres a half second delay for holding down the button I tap the keys until I'm trimmed out and it eliminates the delay. I also use my keys above that like insert to center my trackir and home end for superchargers and mix. There all in one area. Its like second nature now and I'm always triming elevator for smooth shooting and tighter turning. Mastering elevator trim can really increase your hit percentage.

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Did anyone see that or was it just me?

BinaryFalcon
08-06-2004, 10:26 AM
I have both elevator and rudder trim mapped to the antenna and range rotaries on my Cougar, respectively.

I typically input about 1/8" nose down trim, since that's usually about right for "combat" speed in most aircraft. I'd rather have to pull up slightly to maintain my shot rather than constantly have to force the nose down.

The only exception is when I'm doing low altitude (in ground effect), high speed runs. Then I tend to trim just slightly nose up, as I'd rather have the plane tend toward the sky than the ground if I happen to screw up a little.