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Bearcat99
03-04-2004, 12:01 AM

Bearcat99
03-04-2004, 12:01 AM

tenmmike
03-04-2004, 12:06 AM
GET'EM BEARCAT

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georgeo76
03-04-2004, 12:13 AM
I agree w/ you BC, but isn't all this just the status quo every time a patch/game/EP is released?

Go jump in your new pony, that will make you feel better :)

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arcadeace
03-04-2004, 12:16 AM
Hail Oleg may 1C live forever!!

And what's WRONG with CFS3!?

Voskhod5
03-04-2004, 12:17 AM
Well said, Bearcat!

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Eagle_361st
03-04-2004, 12:19 AM
AEP is very nice, once you get it installed correctly. And nobody can blame that on OM and UBI, it states clearly to install AEP over 1.0 or 1.21, and absolutely do not install over 1.22. That's our own fault including my own for not reading the booklet. I noticed a few things that turned out to be related to having a bad install due to the above, and I bet some of these people are the same and perhaps dont even realize it. Other than that AEP kicks major @ss. I am in love with the P-38, she will defiantely replace my Jug as my mud mover. Only 50 cal's for my Jug from now on. :)

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Tank50
03-04-2004, 12:21 AM
Couldn't agree more Bearcat. I haven't even been able to find it on the shelves of my local stores and I come here to be greeted by a tsunami of disaffection. Nothing could be that bad,especially after the latest patches which had seemed to settle everyone down for the most part. I'll still buy it whenever I first see it. The developers have demonstrated time and time again their desire to get it right in the end. Everyone should take a deep breath and evaluate the product fairly. Bugs and inaccuracies should be dealt with in the normal orderly way that has worked to fix problems in the past. Hasn't Oleg and company done enough to earn the trust of the community yet?!?

Red_Russian13
03-04-2004, 12:24 AM
Right on! Same ole complainers. I've been watching these forums since IL-2 was released, and I'm always amazed at the people who complain about quality products and free patches and addons. I think a lot of it's to get people fired up. Then again, many people are a bit childish.

BlackHawkLeader
03-04-2004, 12:24 AM
For some years now, we have noticed how OLEG AND TEAM 1c SHOULD BE CONGRATULATED FOR RAISING THE BAR ! When it comes to creating Combat Sims.

Leaders not followers is the only apt description of 1C.
Lets face it, the industry follows to be competative.

S!

clint-ruin
03-04-2004, 12:30 AM
Lusers suck.

Everywhere.

It's a universal constant.

Don't worry about it too much :>

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J30Vader
03-04-2004, 12:41 AM
The man has taken this game where I doubt anybody thought it would be. From what was supposed to be an IL2 only sim, ( as in that plane only ), to where it now includes aircraft that never saw Soviet airspace.

And some are still not satisfied!!!! In what game do you see a P-51 with a working K-14 gunsight? Or a flyable He-111?. Or three models of a Ki-84?. Or Italian planes? Or a Mistel?

Even worse, people who don't even have it are whining about how bad it is. I just don't get it.

The game is not perfect. Some think AEP is a rush job. You want to see a rush job? Paradox puts out games that take at least 3 patches before they are considered playable. Jeez, the last game had two patches before the game was two months old.

I couldn't care less that you can't see tracers on a track. Some planes don't have all their loadouts? Deal with it. Whine because the Go229 is in and not Ar234 or the Spit XIV?
Model the bloody things.

AFSG_Rhino
03-04-2004, 12:42 AM
Well put Bearcat, and long overdue. Folks, just be glad that you have a forum to voice your wishes/hopes/bugs and that the game developers read and respond with meaningful dialogue, patches and upgrades.

Zayets
03-04-2004, 01:27 AM
Well, I was always pleased with what Oleg delivers. I could care less if roll rate is porked,dive is porked,DM or FM is porked since I'm not an expert. For me this is a game. If I've bought it , that means I took some "risks". There is only one way : learn to play it in the manner Oleg build it. You don't fly a real wW2 plane and most of us will never do it , so what's thee problem? Intelligentt ppl on this board say the planes are very close to reality. For me , this is a bonus , since I don't really know how they flew in reality.
FM is bad, DM is bad , well , that could be,the nly effect that these stuffs have on me is : good to know that , I mean this plane climbs well , this don't and so on. Is not a matter of life'n death. Why don't we enjoy the game as it is (and probably with some more patches)?
This was always a mistery for me.

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LEXX_Luthor
03-04-2004, 01:31 AM
The Whining is what happens when releacing a product to the USA baby and diaper market. The babies here in USA are sore losers even before THE GAME begins. :)


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F19_Orheim
03-04-2004, 01:37 AM
Hear hear,


I choose to consider all this whining as a therapy for guys who has a innner anger and are never satisfied with anything. Because of this it doesn't bother me, I just scroll down to a post I want to read.

However, to make it more organized, I suggest that the moderators create a Thread that is always on top, called "If you wanna whine, abuse, call somebody an as*hole or just wretch out your frustration about life, do it in this thread".

I do apprectiate constructive criticism with arguments based on facts, these help 1C to improve the game. If you just want to spew out crap, do it in a special thread.

HH Quazi
03-04-2004, 02:05 AM
Looks like the majority is a mature bunch and in agreement. The poll results give a clear picture of where the majority of those polled stand. I think you spoke for allot of us when you started this thread BearCat. You did for me. Now I don't feel the need to sit here and peck out something similar. lol Thanks! S!

WTE_Ibis
03-04-2004, 02:59 AM
Stuff the wingers I just want to be able to buy a copy,still waiting for Russel Crow to sail down under with my copy

JG52_Helgstrand
03-04-2004, 03:08 AM
Right on Bearcat!!

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CrazySchmidt
03-04-2004, 03:18 AM
I don't even have my copy yet, it's still on pre-order.

Having said that and not being able to offer a first hand impression of the expansion pack, I simply cannot believe that this add-on is as horrible as some of the forum members claim.

I agree there are things that I would think need tweaking, or that some things seemed better in a earlier patch, but damn, this is by far the best sim of its type PERIOD!

I'm a buyer of any Maddox combat sim flight until they stop producing them.

Have been here from the beginning, will be here till the end!

robban75
03-04-2004, 03:19 AM
What's most important is that a great majority are very satisfied with FB. Whiners unfortunately have the loudest voices. The BIGGEST problem is that most of the "whiners" doesn't back up their claim with any kind of proof. And most of the time it's just a simple misunderstanding.
I sure hope Oleg knows that the majority truly loves his creation, and deep down many of the whiners do too! :)

CrazySchmidt
03-04-2004, 03:27 AM
Double Post ooops

I hate these new forum boards, they give me nothing but grief.

Cheers,
CrazySchmidt.

[This message was edited by CrazySchmidt on Thu March 04 2004 at 02:40 AM.]

IV_JG51_Prien
03-04-2004, 04:24 AM
Preach on Bearcat.

Each thread that I've opened that turns out to be some big 1C/Oleg/Ubi bashing I just close now.

He'll never please everybody. It's impossible to do such a thing, no matter wher you go you'll find some asshat who'll gripe about the most petty thing he can just because. This is not the first time I've seen something like this. Not only am I a sim junkie, I'm a MMORPG junkie and stupid little rants like we've been seeing here just after the US AEP release are a dime a dozen from day one to day 400 in the life of a MMORPG.

Game developers TRY to make something that everybody will enjoy, and in my eyes as long as the game provides some enjoyment to those who buy it, excellent. I'll post the same challenge here that I post on MMORPG boards to the folks who just want to whine and be asshats about the whole thing..

Think you can do better? Think you can pull off what Oleg and 1C have with such a superb flight sim? No? Didn't think so. Now go crawl back into that little rock of yours and shut up

Afreaka
03-04-2004, 04:51 AM
All the flak comes from people who are just on the verge of becoming increasingly involved in the community/game. And there is a tendency among these to assume responsibility where none is offered. Therefore sparking of the barrage you(Bearcat) speak of. Their frustration flares when meet with the reality of things, such as the time and economics of this venture we share. None of which they are masters. :|
They should "...sit down, take a stress pill and think things over..."

Rex Kramer(Airplane, 1980): Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.

Recon_609IAP
03-04-2004, 05:04 AM
I am not voting - no need. it is clear:

Oleg has done a tremendous amount of work and I for one, am very glad for it.

I thoroughly enjoy this game, and the AEP is exciting to me.

For so little money, it is such a joy to fly these aircraft.

They are not victims - to me they are heroes - who deserve respect.

Only the immature are disrespectful - but what is expected from the immature? If they had something better to goto, why would they be here? They should go try something else, then come back with fresh eyes :)

To those that know respect, they know that 1C has done a great job, and continue too.

My only fear is that the voices of the unappreciated will rise about the voices that are thankful and have honor.

Thanks to 1C again for a great product, I look forward even again to the patch and to the pacific addon :)

Keep it going 1C, your true fans cheer you on!

S!
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BlackHawkLeader
03-04-2004, 05:28 AM
So far the poll is going well.
At the moment only 6% are just total idiots that have no appreciation of what Oleg and team at 1C have tried to accomplish.

musickna
03-04-2004, 06:10 AM
There will always be people for whom the concept of 'good manners' has no meaning or who have no patience, sense or perspective! And they are as free to post here as anyone - so they do. I don't like to see it - but it really only demeans those very same posters and nobody else.

There are problems with AEP - Oleg acknowledges this and is already collecting information on various issues and addressing them. By the time I actually get my copy, a good number of them will be fixed, and a patch will be along soon. This is an unmatched standard of support that puts most other game makers completely in the shade and it would be nice if some of the more hysterical whiners could actually sit back and consider how lucky they are. But they won't, because over-the-top complaining is in their nature, and they don't know any other way. Fortunately, they are a tiny minority, and I believe most of us appreciate how lucky we are. :)

Teufel_Eldritch
03-04-2004, 06:14 AM
I feel bad for Oleg. He's got all these ppl screaming & yelling at him(most of the time in some stupid manner) after he(& the crew) spent so much time/effort/sweat into the game. If I were in his shoes I would have prolly went on a banning spree. I feel like we should circle the wagons around Oleg to protect him.

Whats the saying? If a person is pleased with something they will tell 1 person. If they are displeased with something they will 10 ppl.

I wouldnt mind constructive criticism, but I havent seen any yet. All the comments I have seen have been rude & disrespectful. Makes me wanna be a enforcer for Oleg & bust some kneecaps or something.

I give props & thanks out to Oleg & the crew for creating such a fine & fun sim/game. Keep up the good work guys! Some ppl here do appreciate your work.

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diomedes33
03-04-2004, 08:30 AM
Its too bad that it seems the few are spoiling it for the many. No evidence of this, I would be a lot more inclined to help people if they weren't b****ing about every little detail if I were developing anything (game, aircraft, sofa .. etc).

I've noticed that content people will either say good job once in awhile or say nothing at all. On the other hand, somebody that is pissed off and feels that they were screwed will carry on an argument long past it is dead and keep pushing it even though they have lost. (fw190 cockpit and muzzle flashes come to mind) Its the nature of people, if you are content with the product you will not be in here b****ing about it.

I'm still a kid, only 24, I have a lot to learn still. What I have learned though is that there are all kinds of people in the world. There's just as many whiners in the U.S. as there are in Europe. Its just that in a country that breeds whining (US) with its multi-million dollar law suits for spilling coffe on yourself, you're going to see a lot more vocalization.

Oleg Maddox and 1C revolutionized flight sims much the same was as ID revolutionized the first person shooter with doom. Outstanding work. I install CFS3 every now and then to remind myself of that.

oh yeah I'm full blooded American if anybody is curious.

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p1ngu666
03-04-2004, 08:37 AM
its good, shame about bugs
and bear, go listen to that cd i sent ya and chill dude
like, go do it NOW
:P
:D

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heywooood
03-04-2004, 09:19 AM
FB community -
Its ok to be disappointed in one thing or another - but the EXPRESSION - THE MANNER of your delivery is the problem. I am still waiting for my copy, but like others, I knew not to give much heed to the early posts regarding AEP for this very reason. I know Oleg and co. will make right any glitches or bugs that are honestly and Competently posted - so please, Stop Crying and post responsibly! Take a minute to stop sobbing - collect yourselves - and write down on paper first what it is you are trying to say - read it through objectively if you can (self-edit) if you will. That way - your post might be taken seriously by IMO the very best programmers in the business and all of us will be happier in the end - ~S~ heywoood j

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Capt._Tenneal
03-04-2004, 09:42 AM
I'm relatively new to 1C:Maddox, Oleg, and Il-2 and FB, and these boards, and I'm pretty sure (and have seen) complaining going on all the time. Let them. I don't want these boards to all be one-sided. I just ignore all the obvious childish posts. The legitimate gripes, I read, and I'm sure Oleg or his team does too or else they wouldn't send us patches (thank you Oleg).

Unfortunately, though, association with Oleg has also made anyone connected with the products fair game for these mindless rants too. I'm talking Starshoy, Luthier, Gibbage, Ian Boys, the beta testers and others. That's too bad because when they began they were fans like us, they just have more talent and commitment than me that they can (with their love of the game) produce works that we can use to add to our enjoyment of FB.

JR_Greenhorn
03-04-2004, 09:54 AM
Has Mr. Maddox not delivered what has been promised yet? I think not. I think the whining about not getting what's "promised" is from those that had their own unfounded expectations for the expansion that went unmet. The worst of it is that many of these silly gripes could be appeased if folks would remove their heads from their posteriors and read a bit on this forum. Things like muzzle flash have been addressed, yet people still whine about it. Recently, Mr. Maddox has considered adding a simple desert "online-type" map at the request of the community. You know, the same "community" that whines, complains, and calls him names. I don't see why he bothers, but he is obviously of finer caliber than I am, and I respect that. [/rant]

Snoop_Baron
03-04-2004, 09:55 AM
You tell them Bearcat :)!! AEP is great :D

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Bearcat99
03-06-2004, 06:11 PM
bump

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SeaFireLIV
03-06-2004, 06:15 PM
Hey! There`s a whole other world waiting for AEP! Can the whiners shut up until we receive and give our copy a go?
"I `ve got my copy now I`ll whine away like a spoilt brat! WAAAAH!" Damn selfish!

It`s a good thing that Bearcat99`s, Chuck Older, and Tsisqua`s (and others) are about to say GOOD things! If it wasn`t for them I`d think all Americans were spoiled brats!

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InyerEye
03-06-2004, 06:30 PM
I dont see how anyone could be disappointed with this expansion pack.
I am in WW2 combat heaven.Non-stop mission buiding for the Spitfire.
Im thinking of building a shrine of some sort with Olegs picture on top of my monitor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Jettexas
03-06-2004, 08:28 PM
I tend to agree with the larger percentage of posters here, as a dedicated simmer for 4 years in one game or another(ONLINE) and not being prone to "fanboyism" (if it really sucked,Id say "it really sucked", and take the flames) I can say in all honesty that this expansion is very , very good.

IMHO My 30$ was well spent, I love the new planes and other improvements &lt;and I dont even fly axis planes online...(for reasons of my own).so that makes a satisfied customer who can utilize ..what ? like maybe half of the AEP online..?..&gt;
I have been hosed b4 (CFS3=50$ coaster) and I knew it IMMEDIATELY, and I wasnt ashamed then to tell my squadmates, "Yep, I got hosed , save your money" Thats what buds do...

One mans opinon?...The AEP is great , and thats the truth.Enjoy..

S!
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ausmondo
03-06-2004, 08:55 PM
Whining, in one form or an other
has been a feature of this place(and others)
since I first came here.
It does not bother me.
What bothers me is the increase of
Whiner whining.
So let us ALL just stop and enjoy this,
The best there is.
Thanks to Mr Maddox & The great good team.
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LW_Cobra
03-06-2004, 08:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
So now for the poll... do you think that Oleg has created a monster in this community? Do you think that he and 1C have elevated the standard so high that it will be almost impossible to surpass it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I voted No, I think 1C will continue in the right direction with BoB and continued releases for IL2. I just hope Pentium can keep up with Oleg.
If you take a look at all of the Bob stuff on the updates you can see the increase in ground objects has expanded graphically to a level way above FB already. Now imagine if they added ground troops whilst we fly above them, sweet. Now does that mean I'm not pleased with what we have already? Hell no, but I can see 1C or Oleg definitly heading in that direction and it sure beats Janes or EA Sports trying to give us their version of a flight sim. Oleg rules.

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icrash
03-06-2004, 09:08 PM
I have yet to get ACES http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif nobody has it (supposedly in a couple of days I'm told). Anyway my first flight sim was IL2, & I was impressed (sorry I tried the microsoft one after IL2, not near as good) Had to get FB and thought man if this is 1/2 as good then money well spent. Not disappointed at all and am looking forward to getting ACES. Hats off to Oleg and the gang for busting ^%$ and putting out an awesome game. Yes there will be bugs and patches but thats life. Ya can't please everyone all the time. If the whiners don't like it, well there is always solitaire I guess.

h009291
03-06-2004, 09:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
...it states clearly to install AEP over 1.0 or 1.21, and absolutely do not install over 1.22.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. I installed over 1.22 and havent had a lick of problems (on my new rig with lots of memeory and good sound / graphics card).

2. I tried instaling it on an older machine with crappy memory / sound and graphics cards and it didnt install correctly (Auto-run wouldnt work, timeouts on-line constantly).

3. Not that I'm complaining now, but, 99% of the peeps playing FB have Version 1.22. Why in the hell would they make something that wasnt supposed to be installed over the latest version of the game ... seems rather stupid to me.

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Bearcat99
03-07-2004, 12:53 AM
I just reinstlled it from 1.0 and I must say..... I can now get 45FPS with mirrors.. where as before i took amassive FPS hit. I didnt realize that you dont loose your skins or mission when you uninstall & reinstall... I backed mine up but i didnt have to reinstall them. they were there already.

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LEXX_Luthor
03-07-2004, 02:16 AM
Thanks for that tip Bear, I did the same 1.0 kinda thing. I better go check in the mirror now.


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FB = FanBoy

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AtomicRunt
03-07-2004, 05:09 AM
Did the same thing Bear. Completely un-installed the game,went back and deleted anything that was "left-over" I saved the paint files and some of the mission files,I wish I knew were the stick settings were saved LOL. Then I re-installed FB and installed "Aces" over top (without patches)My frame rates havent changed yet I've turned up the graphics settings. I gotta hand to the Development Team and anyone else who put Aces together, It has surpassed everything I have seen to date from Oleg&Crew. I've been flying the expantion pack for three sleepless nights now and still have not flown all the planes in the Add-On.
My hats off to Oleg Maddox,Yuri Miroshnikov,Igor Egorov,Yuri Antonov,Dmitri Soldatenkov,Sergei Sokov,Roman Deniskin,Yuri Kryachko,Rudolf Heiter,Sergey Shaykin,Kirill Ivanov,Kuzma Lykov,Vladimir Kuznetsov,Vladimir Veruygin,Oleg Rozhentsov,Mikhael Starchenko,Alexander Porozow,Yuriy Shoubin oh and Gibbigski LOL!! Your names arent mentioned enough. Great flippin' job guys!(I use "flippin" cause the other won't pass the filter)
If you havent aquirred Aces yet,I do feel for you, as you will find it worth the price of addmission.

Salute!
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PBNA-Boosher
03-07-2004, 07:47 AM
Oleg always raises the Status Quo with every new patch, I say we deal with the whiners one by one, show them that whining is worthless, just like you did Bearcat, and then act on it by showing them the proper way to address their problems, writing non-scathing letters to Oleg and then posting messages on the ready room displaying what they have written down as a bug and sent to Oleg, so that nobody else does the same thing. When people respond to that post, it will be confirmation that this is a real bug. I hope this ideal standard can be followed.

jensenpark
03-07-2004, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
AEP is very nice, once you get it installed correctly. And nobody can blame that on OM and UBI, it states clearly to install AEP over 1.0 or 1.21, and absolutely do not install over 1.22. That's our own fault including my own for not reading the booklet. ~S!
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Funny, I didn't even notice the note about note installing over 1.22. I did, and mine installed fine. Only odd thing was my control settings went back to default...

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VW-IceFire
03-07-2004, 08:10 AM
Only a small percentage of people are actually complaining. Its not accurate to judge soley based on this forum since only a small percentage of the total copies sold actually hang out here.

Most people forget that its actually a top notch product with a few minor glitches that we sometimes like to make a big deal about.

How many game communities will pour over aeronautical data just to prove or disprove a planes roll rate for instance? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/temp_sig1.jpg
RCAF 412 Falcon Squadron - "Swift to Avenge"

Blubble
03-15-2004, 01:57 PM
This forum needs an ignore function badly.

I am a software developer by trade and have done some physics simulations for fun in my spare time. I thought about working in the video game industry, but the hours are way too long and the pay is a joke. Let me tell you that programming this kind of stuff is not easy in the least and I bet most of these whiners could not even program a simple trajectory simulation, let alone the incredibly complex flight model of a WWII airplane.

I really appreciate Oleg and crew's efforts and think they have made a series of very entertaining GAMES. I don't care how seriously you take these GAMES, but they are not ever going to be perfectly realistic. If you don't like Oleg's efforts, then get CFS3 and figure out how to modify the flight models, etc. to your liking. Better yet, write a better GAME than the IL2 series or STFU!

LilHorse
03-15-2004, 02:43 PM
Agree with Bearcat 100%. Feck the whiners. And yeah, my AEP installed just fine over 1.22. The best WWII combat flight sim ever made, hands down. Even with minor problems that will surely be corrected (though I haven't noticed any) it's the best.

Bearcat99
05-18-2006, 11:54 AM
Bumpalumpa....

Note that this poll was initially started shortly after the release of The AEP. In March of ... what was it.... 03 or 04.. I cant remember.... and as you can probably tell there was a mass hysteria then too..LMAO... and that made some of the Boonty stuff look like kids play.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif wow somethings stay the same..but see how far we have come? I must say though.. from what I have seen and heard of BoB..they will most likely actually out do themselves again..LOL... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

All hail 1c!! May you make sims for evcer..!! LOL... (I have too much time onmy hands today......LOL)

russ.nl
05-18-2006, 12:54 PM
Good thread BC. I agree. Some people are biatching about the game/ai/fm/dm but there is nothing better on the market.
Bc, don't get cought up in the negative people.
But I don't feel that Maddox has created a monster because the people biatching will never be happy.

Crash_Moses
05-18-2006, 01:53 PM
Wow...talk about history repeating itself.

Good bump! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Bearcat99
05-18-2006, 02:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by russ.nl:
Bc, don't get cought up in the negative people.
But I don't feel that Maddox has created a monster because the people biatching will never be happy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh I am fine... the original tone of this thread is... well.. a few years old.... I just thought it was kind of funny that some of the same complaints are areound.. and some of the same people too.... !! Still flying in this .... bug riddled sim.... LOL.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
Me? Im lovin every bit of it.....

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-18-2006, 02:29 PM
Well said chaps. Hitting the nail on the head and all that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LStarosta
05-18-2006, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
where as before i took amassive FP ****. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's nice.

|CoB|_Spectre
05-18-2006, 04:42 PM
You know that anticipation of "what's coming next" has hit a low when a two year old post is resurrected for rehash.

TAW_Oilburner
05-18-2006, 05:12 PM
BC you are a sorry son of a #$%@#%

I started reading this thread and I'm like WTF are people arguing about today. Just like when I get to the front door and I hear my wife screamin' and kids screamin' and come to find out their just watching a home movie from a birthday party.

SeaFireLIV
05-18-2006, 05:54 PM
Say what? Oh yea, this is an old one.....

Bearcat99
05-18-2006, 07:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by |CoB|_Spectre:
You know that anticipation of "what's coming next" has hit a low when a two year old post is resurrected for rehash. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

New low? I don't think so... I am chomping at the bit for BoB..... and I am sure I am not alone.....
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TAW_Oilburner:
BC you are a sorry son of a #$%@#%

I started reading this thread and I'm like WTF are people arguing about today. Just like when I get to the front door and I hear my wife screamin' and kids screamin' and come to find out their just watching a home movie from a birthday party. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right back atcha..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

StG77_Stuka
05-18-2006, 07:56 PM
So far only 8% of the voting community seem to have a grumble. Alot of U.S. Presidents wish they'd of had such positive feedback http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Oleg for Pres!

danjama
05-18-2006, 08:37 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Well said BC thanks for bumping!

RCAF_Irish_403
05-19-2006, 03:14 AM
We need to go Bearcat To the Future!

han freak solo
05-19-2006, 08:32 AM
What tha? I almost voted on this today. Again, what tha?

reverendkrv1972
05-19-2006, 01:09 PM
I did! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Humans eh?

where's them Vogons at?

|CoB|_Spectre
05-19-2006, 04:49 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bearcat99:
New low? I don't think so... I am chomping at the bit for BoB..... and I am sure I am not alone.....
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

I didn't say "new" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif and I'm sure you're not alone. I wouldn't start holding my breath on its release just yet, but hang onto whatever you need to get you through.

DHC2Pilot
05-19-2006, 05:35 PM
First of all, for all of those who have labored for hundreds of hours writing code, a well deserved THANK YOU goes out to you. I have gotten a lot of use out of this game thus far, and I foresee many more hours ahead. I think we all can say the same. I agree with the sentiment that no, this game isn't perfect. But what game is? How many thousands of variables affect the earthly physics of a moving object, especially an aircraft? Far too many to model in such a way that it will match the manufacturers performance charts 100%. Anyone who flies IRL realizes that even two identical aircraft, same model, same year of manufacture, same engine, will have different characteristics. I remember my father telling stories to his airline buddies about the P-51's in his squadron in Korea, and how one or two of the planes were a good 20 MPH faster than others, even with the same engine settings, trim settings, and loadouts. It's an imprecise world folks. My belief is that the people here who compare the numbers to what the performance charts say are just setting themselves up for disappointment. Nothing will be spot on, ever. Yeah, there are bugs with the AI, but a change to one portion of code can have an adverse effect on 10 other characteristics. It is VERY difficult to find that sweet spot that allows for acceptable results in ALL aspects of AI behavior.

I think that any software developer who is in the sim business is sticking their neck out on the line. There are always people who are going to nitpick discrepancies and throw the book in their face and say, "See, it says so right here in this chart (that was printed 65 years ago). What we all have to realize is that Oleg and 1C have created the best sim thus far in the 20 or so year history of computer flight sims. And this is coming from a small company in Russia. They single handedly have redefined flight sims, and have basically put the big kid on the block (Microsoft) to shame.

I'd really like to see our community come together, forget about the charts and performance graphs, and just accept the minor flaws and work around them. If your favorite ride is slower than you feel it should be, then just imagine you're using low octane fuel and compensate somehow. If your climb rate isn't up to snuff, imagine you're flying in hot, humid weather. If you're plane disintegrates in a dive, then blame it on the mechanic who forgot to put a couple nuts on the wing spar bolts. I know, I know, that might be a bit much, but give credit where credit is due. I don't think Oleg is a victim, I think we are. We're all victims of our disproportionate expectations. We've been given something that exceeds anything else out there in it's class, and the bar has been raised to the point where we not only want perfection, we EXPECT it....that's unrealistic, even in a simulation of this calibre.

Keep the blue side up mates.

Bearcat99
05-19-2006, 11:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by |CoB|_Spectre:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bearcat99:
New low? I don't think so... I am chomping at the bit for BoB..... and I am sure I am not alone.....
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

I didn't say "new" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif and I'm sure you're not alone. I wouldn't start holding my breath on its release just yet, but hang onto whatever you need to get you through. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True.... true.... my mistake... and you know...... you are probably right ... Id be surprised too if it came out in Nov as announced... but I would rather see it delayed 6 months and come out right than to have it come out in Novembver and be full of bugs.... I know most new releases have bugs but...... To tell you the truth I just hope that 1C has a better beta team than they have in the past. I would hope that the thing would not get leaked at all untill it is released.....

tagTaken2
05-19-2006, 11:48 PM
Man, I'd rather have a buggy version NOW! And wait a few months for a rock solid download. Is this what it was like waiting for the original Il-2?

WWMaxGunz
05-20-2006, 01:17 AM
Original IL-2 had a playable demo with working online.
In some ways it made the waiting worse.

madsarmy
05-20-2006, 01:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I just thought it was kind of funny that some of the same complaints are around.. and some of the same people too.... !! Still flying in this .... bug riddled sim.... LOL.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO! So True Bear http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Ruy Horta
05-20-2006, 01:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">NO, I think people have legitimate gripes that need to be addressed immediately. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't agree with any of your options Bearcat, but here's my take.

NO, I think people have legitimate gripes that could and/or should be addressed.

|CoB|_Spectre
05-20-2006, 07:09 AM
Even though I'm disappointed that PF suffers from stunted development, "features" (see also: "bugs") like machinegun induced yaw in USN fighters, and no more U.S. aircraft, I hope SoW:BoB is a success. "PF" you say? The series is so much more than PF, be sure, but that was the last real project to the series. Apparently Ubi places significance to the title, else why would they have renamed this website! I find some irony in it since PF is widely considered to be unfinished.

Maddox Games (MG) has set the standard and we all have something to gain in their continued existence even though we may choose not to buy everything they release. As dedicated as the core fans may be, growth of that core is a must for continued prosperity. MG is not immune to the fundamental laws of business just because they have a vocal core fandom.

I think their base could be broader had they handled PF differently, primarily because a third wave of newcomers' introduction to the series failed as a standalone and soured the opportunity to step them into FB+AEP due to lack of available software. That's all water under the bridge at this point. Let us hope lessons-learned lead to improvements across the board. There's a lot riding on it.

carguy_
05-20-2006, 07:37 AM
Yes and no.

Yes because there are so many planes and there are so many possibilities.Needless to say real crapping started since western planes got flyable.Western customers are spoiled brats and Oleg knows it.OTOH the standard is so high that people who really got into it demanded more because they really believe they can experience things like real WWII pilot even better and demand fixes.


No because the game has been biased from day one.It has been aimed at "allied" customers flying T&B planes.Clearly visible - the AI didn`t know how to perform B&Z until AEP got released.This game really isn`t directed for B&Z planes.People flying classic B&Z planes are at a great disadvantage caused by several vital factors that are NOT BUGS but the way the game works.
People with legitimate complains never met their fix hence they still complain over the same stuff over and over just to remind Oleg he has still a lot to change.About 5 of those really vital factors that have not been fixed and will not get fixed.


Mamy people get pissed every now and then flying because they flew according to real life ROE and still lost.Although they`re still hooked because there is nothing better in the sim world nowadays.



Anyway,I don`t see why Oleg should even care about us complaining.We do not represent a relevant number of players to make a difference.
Complaining will not make Oleg stop as far as we keep buying his games so why all the "guys stop whining you aholes blablahblah"?
Yeah right,as if we really matter anything to Ubi or MG.


My advice to others is stop thinking you are the ceter of the world.

|CoB|_Spectre
05-20-2006, 09:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
Needless to say real crapping started since western planes got flyable.Western customers are spoiled brats and Oleg knows it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Unlike your perfectly justified Eurocentric complaint. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Posts in these forums suggest there are more customers in Europe and the FSU than in all the U.S., so obviously the spoiled brat western customers have some evil influence on Oleg's creative process. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...because the game has been biased from day one.It has been aimed at "allied" customers flying T&B planes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
By "allied", you of course mean all non-Axis participants. So the UK, U.S., Russian, Australian, New Zealand, Dutch, free French, Canadian, Brazilian and others from around the world are to blame even though Oleg's admitted favorite ride was/is the Fw-190?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Anyway,I don`t see why Oleg should even care about us complaining. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe because nestled amongst those complaints are real nuggets like the report of inoperable rudder on a certain model 109 that slipped by the beta testers. No doubt, Oleg won't budge on some things like the 190 gunsight/windscreen frame and for every one thing they fix, seems like something else that wasn't porked before, is now.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We do not represent a relevant number of players to make a difference. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is debatable. Of all the things that have been brought to Oleg's attention that he has acted upon, what percentage do you think were reported by the offline-only crowd?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My advice to others is stop thinking you are the ceter of the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Presuming you meant "center", be sure to follow your own advice.

heywooood
05-20-2006, 10:17 AM
all the same ol' carp...zzzzz

BoB will not be spared, be sure.


"the Spittie is porked, bla bla I have proofs"

" the 109 doesn't turn like it should bla bla..."


you could set your watch by it.
" look, its carp o'clock dear!"

Bearcat99
05-20-2006, 08:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by |CoB|_Spectre:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
Needless to say real crapping started since western planes got flyable.Western customers are spoiled brats and Oleg knows it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Unlike your perfectly justified Eurocentric complaint. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Posts in these forums suggest there are more customers in Europe and the FSU than in all the U.S., so obviously the spoiled brat western customers have some evil influence on Oleg's creative process. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...because the game has been biased from day one.It has been aimed at "allied" customers flying T&B planes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
By "allied", you of course mean all non-Axis participants. So the UK, U.S., Russian, Australian, New Zealand, Dutch, free French, Canadian, Brazilian and others from around the world are to blame even though Oleg's admitted favorite ride was/is the Fw-190?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Anyway,I don`t see why Oleg should even care about us complaining. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe because nestled amongst those complaints are real nuggets like the report of inoperable rudder on a certain model 109 that slipped by the beta testers. No doubt, Oleg won't budge on some things like the 190 gunsight/windscreen frame and for every one thing they fix, seems like something else that wasn't porked before, is now.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We do not represent a relevant number of players to make a difference. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is debatable. Of all the things that have been brought to Oleg's attention that he has acted upon, what percentage do you think were reported by the offline-only crowd?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My advice to others is stop thinking you are the ceter of the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Presuming you meant "center", be sure to follow your own advice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

carguy_
05-20-2006, 09:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by |CoB|_Spectre:
Unlike your perfectly justified Eurocentric complaint. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Posts in these forums suggest there are more customers in Europe and the FSU than in all the U.S., so obviously the spoiled brat western customers have some evil influence on Oleg's creative process. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I don`t know if disorganising the whole series because of favorite plane demands is evil.Would`t describe it that way.Don`t you remember the old days?People did not knew any CCCP planes,some didn`t even know what part CCCP played in WWII!People were not interested in eastern front but love for the game prevailed with customer promises given from Oleg.The whole western market doesn`t know anything else then Spitfire,Mustang,Bf109,Hurricane and whole set of allied bombers such as Lancaster,B17,B25 and Mosquito.The whine campaign started from day one of western market game release.People whine even now when it is certain that addons will not feature wanted planes.
Spoiled brats is right.No interest in deeper knowlegde into Russian aviation or eastern engagements.There were like 2 threads about making Pe8 flyable,nobody wants Su2.There were no western maps,few western objects.Making all this derailed the game totally from eastern front.There is no Do17,one friggin Ju88 variant,no IL10.Instead of covering more Reichsverteidigung or Ukraine,Normandy and more western maps entered.All this content to repeat what has been done to death in WWII sims.
We had a chance to make eastern front complete.Western whiners ruined everything.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
By "allied", you of course mean all non-Axis participants. So the UK, U.S., Russian, Australian, New Zealand, Dutch, free French, Canadian, Brazilian and others from around the world are to blame even though Oleg's admitted favorite ride was/is the Fw-190? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blaming anybody is pointless,it`s not the point.Western fans derailed an eastern front flight sim to suit their needs.Back then ppl moaned of being forced to fly commie planes and I still see LW flyers being called nazis.
Even though FW190 actually can be his favorite,Oleg did not succeed in correcting the game egnine(FM,visuals) to make it realistic in regards to LW pilot flight conditions.Through 4 years we`ve had several major mistakes in modelling performance of German equipment including gunsight view,ammobelting,LOD rendering,fuel consumption,acceleration,diving etc.It seems Oleg somehow didn`t foresee axis planes being manned by humans rather than just making allied customers happy.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Presuming you meant "center", be sure to follow your own advice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ofcourse you judge me.That`s how attacks start.You just can`t suck it up and admit things went that way.Go ahead and ask German forumers why they don`t visit this place.

GR142-Pipper
05-20-2006, 11:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
...Needless to say real crapping started since western planes got flyable.Western customers are spoiled brats and Oleg knows it.OTOH the standard is so high that people who really got into it demanded more because they really believe they can experience things like real WWII pilot even better and demand fixes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree with you that many have been disappointed by the introduction of Western and Pacific (principally U.S.) aircraft. However, this disappointment is not without justification. With the exception of the P-39 and P-40, most of the mid/late War U.S. aircraft are simply subpar to their real life counterparts.

I further agree that Maddox and Company have indeed raised the bar as far as flight sims are concerned. However, having raised the bar they now have to live in the raised-bar world and it's not unreasonable for their customer base to expect programming improvement in aircraft that are clearly not modeled correctly. This has been amply demonstrated in the huge flight model changes that have occurred during the 4.x patch releases, each of which supposedly was subjected to rigorous beta testing prior to release.

Yes, this is certainly a fun game, no doubt about it. And yes, Maddox and Company have really done a nice job. But honest criticism regarding things that warrant criticizing is not whining. It's simply a desire for the game to be even better...not an unworthy goal. No reasonable player, blue or red, wants either their aircraft or that of their opponents to be over or undermodeled.

GR142-Pipper

BfHeFwMe
05-20-2006, 11:36 PM
What a stupid thread. I just scrolled through the entire first page and than some of this forum and can't find a single gripe thread, so exactly WTH is BC whining about?

Surely no one would dare to voice a counter opinion here, especially when some moderators lead the rabid, foaming at the mouth ready to lynch anything that moves, fanbois crowd.

A war takes two sides to tango, but what do you call it when only one army show up?

Your a mod, name the names, ban the guilty, do something, anything, besides whining and crying dude. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

-HH-Quazi
05-21-2006, 02:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
What a stupid thread. I just scrolled through the entire first page and than some of this forum and can't find a single gripe thread, so exactly WTH is BC whining about?

Surely no one would dare to voice a counter opinion here, especially when some moderators lead the rabid, foaming at the mouth ready to lynch anything that moves, fanbois crowd.

A war takes two sides to tango, but what do you call it when only one army show up?

Your a mod, name the names, ban the guilty, do something, anything, besides whining and crying dude. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was a decent older thread until you came in here being mean. Be nice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Bearcat99
11-08-2007, 08:01 AM
........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Anyone remember this little gem from waaaay back...

stalkervision
11-08-2007, 08:05 AM
You make an excellent troll... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Probably why they hired you as a mod here to get you on their side.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ploughman
11-08-2007, 08:11 AM
May, 2006.

"True.... true.... my mistake... and you know...... you are probably right ... Id be surprised too if it came out in Nov as announced... but I would rather see it delayed 6 months and come out right than to have it come out in Novembver and be full of bugs.... I know most new releases have bugs but...... To tell you the truth I just hope that 1C has a better beta team than they have in the past. I would hope that the thing would not get leaked at all untill it is released....."

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

LEBillfish
11-08-2007, 08:25 AM
Rememberrrrrrrrrrrrr.......Pacific Fighters 3.0.........Where's da Betty? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkIX
11-08-2007, 08:29 AM
I liked the self-erupting P-40. What a ride that was! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bearcat99
11-08-2007, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
I liked the self-erupting P-40. What a ride that was! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yeah... go into a dive.. get @ 230mph.. KaBOOMM!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You make an excellent troll... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Moi!!?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Actually in light of recent developements I think it is still a legitimate question... although I must say the post blasting me on page 4 was.. kinda TwilightZoneseque.. cause I wasn't complaining per se... a classic mouth in gear before brain in motion post for sure.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif and this thread was started shortly after AEP came out.. before PF ... then it was bumped once after PF..

The co ntext of the original thread was... folks were slamming Oleg to the mat with all kinds of stuff in ORR.. complaining about the new planes, the FMs, the DMs... charges of bias etc etc etc.. you know the usual stuff... and I kept seeing Oleg dressed like Dr. Frankenstein with us as the monster... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

So before anyone gets their drawers in a knot of this... the original thread is from 03 I think...

GIAP.Shura
11-08-2007, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
... and I kept seeing Oleg dressed like Dr. Frankenstein with us as the monster... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, well, it was his fault. He should have given us a proper brain.

stalkervision
11-08-2007, 09:23 AM
Interesting thread. Got anymore where that came from B.C.?

T_O_A_D
11-08-2007, 09:58 AM
In a Randy Travis voice "I'm diggin up Bones, diggin up Bones"

na85
11-08-2007, 10:13 AM
Holy thread dig, batman!

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Da_Godfatha
11-08-2007, 11:59 AM
Geez... give it a break, OK? It has been proven that he has bullsh1tted us a a few occasions. As one poster here said, I will never believe any else he or his crew says again.

Whats he going to do? Stop making flight sims? So what, then he joins the millions of unemployed in Russia. No skin off my nose.

Support? He fixes one thing and then messes something else up. 4.09 patch? Vaporware.

People have complained about AI gunnery, the over abudance of PK's, the one-hit "Oh my gosh, controls shot out AGAIN!", for ages. The answer, "can't do that or there is nothing wrong".

Sorry, but some of you guys need to get a grip. This game has so much potential still left in it. BoB....for alot of people, untill the first addon comes out, no way. Why fly only a handfull of planes when I can fly all over the world with a large varity of planes. Buy it just for the eye-candy? I don't think so Tim!

Ok, Ok, rant over with. Go ahead ban, delete, tar and feather me if you will.

After years(since the original IL2) of lurking these forums, I really could care less what the Psycho Fanboi's (or Fangurlz) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif say or think.

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HuninMunin
11-08-2007, 12:06 PM
LOL
Type paranoia.

K_Freddie
11-08-2007, 01:04 PM
Sad bunch.. Wot are you smoking BC.. you gone orf the edge ??
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Bearcat99
11-08-2007, 03:11 PM
Geeze Louise.. some of you need to like.... take your meds... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And thats fanMAN to you suckah... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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M_Gunz
11-08-2007, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
People have complained about AI gunnery, the over abudance of PK's, the one-hit "Oh my gosh, controls shot out AGAIN!", for ages. The answer, "can't do that or there is nothing wrong". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to mention those tracks that came with, was it AEP or PF that had the tracks where they
intercepted the B-17's with no losses to the "sniper AI's"?

I watched them, there it was; people attacking bombers and shooting them down without getting hit.
It's just F-ing amazing after reading all the "can't do this" posts.

I'm thinking of a six letter word that starts with W and ends with R. Can you guess what it is?

leitmotiv
11-08-2007, 04:48 PM
I'd like to see Oleg being victimized by his huge success with BOB, yes, indeed, I would. Never have I wished victimhood on someone so hard. Herf herf herf.

LEXX_Luthor
11-08-2007, 04:58 PM
Best Patch was -109K with disabled rudder.

DKoor
11-08-2007, 05:05 PM
Someone forgot to turn on the elevator too.

Bearcat99
11-08-2007, 08:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Best Patch was -109K with disabled rudder. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah that was a hoot.. I could have sworn I could hear the bodies hitting the floor.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Badsight-
11-08-2007, 09:49 PM
look at Microsoft & Combat Flight Sim

one patch , & it took forever to come out

we are so lucky that oleg maddox wanted to make a flight sim back in 1998

LEBillfish
11-08-2007, 11:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
Geez... give it a break, OK?.......... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

someone needs a nap......

DKoor
11-09-2007, 12:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight-:
look at Microsoft & Combat Flight Sim

one patch , & it took forever to come out

we are so lucky that oleg maddox wanted to make a flight sim back in 1998 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>QFT

Daiichidoku
11-09-2007, 01:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

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Anyone remember this little gem from waaaay back... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

we should now add il2 mod ragnarok to the time capsule to be brought up a year from now..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

AussieMossie
11-09-2007, 11:51 AM
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Hear Hear.
There are far too many glass half empty people who like to make noise. I've been around flight sims for a very long time and recognise quality when I see it. BC you have said what's needed saying for some time. Oleg and crew. Thank you thank you thank you for this our beautiful hobby.

DrHerb
11-09-2007, 02:19 PM
for some of us its a hobby, for others, its an obsession http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

leitmotiv
11-10-2007, 12:21 AM
All is vanity!

DuxCorvan
11-10-2007, 01:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
All is vanity! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas!
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Bearcat99
11-10-2007, 06:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
All is vanity! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and striving after wind..

avimimus
11-11-2007, 10:57 AM
Long Live Oleg!