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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:05 PM
Why did the russians paint the "red star" as victory markings, instead of the opponents flag/symbol as was more common practice? I see also that on the contrary the Normandie-Niemen squadron pilots used to paint swastikas as victory symbols.

Anyone have an answer to this? I'm just curious.

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:05 PM
Why did the russians paint the "red star" as victory markings, instead of the opponents flag/symbol as was more common practice? I see also that on the contrary the Normandie-Niemen squadron pilots used to paint swastikas as victory symbols.

Anyone have an answer to this? I'm just curious.

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:14 PM
possibly a mark of patriotism "another kill for the motherland" sorta thing?

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:20 PM
Different cultures, the Soviets, don't forget, had a different concept of living, where the State was paramount. So they celebrated by adding more of their own national markings, not very unlike the practice in the US of putting "proud to be american" or "USA" stickers on cars. They celebrated the State's victory, I suppose you could say- just proud of their nation, rather than displaying their enemie's markings they added more "good" markings. A strange concept to other cultures, perhaps, but that's what they used.

Consider that the Mormandie-Nieman pilots weren't Soviets- I beleive they were free French. A common enough occurance- there were polish squadrons in the RAF. Heck there were even American Squadrons in the RAF.

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:23 PM
The Germans didn't even use stars, a simple black line for a kill sufficed, though it did look crowded on the rudder on aircraft from pilots like Hartmann near the end of the war.

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:25 PM
BTW the Normandie-Njemen used Balkenkreuze of Swastikas as victory symbols.

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:42 PM
BTW Some High School & college Amercian football teams have a similar system, where for a good play, touch down etc. players decorate their helmets with small emblems. If the team is the Panthers , they may use a small sticker of a panther, or the letter P for example.

So the sticker represents a meritorious achievement. Makes a lot of sense really.

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07-17-2003, 03:43 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:56 PM
If you look closely at the kill markings on the tail surfaces of german aircraft it was a common practice to put a small national insignia IN the vertical bar to indicate the nationality of the victory.

I wold think the Russian practice of putting a red star was probably in effect due to the intense hatred of the Nazis and the pilots not wanting to deface their aircraft with "That" marking. (the swastica)

That's my guess anyway



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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 04:09 PM
The Germans didn't have room for large emblems. Their kill counts WAY exceded everyone else's. OK, probably not the reason, but it is true. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 04:19 PM
they didnt want to desecrate their aircraft with a symbol of their enemies

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 04:29 PM
Bobsqueek wrote:
- they didnt want to desecrate their aircraft with a
- symbol of their enemies

Correct......

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 04:39 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- I use rubberducks. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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- Sorry for this immature addition. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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- Now that's classy!!

i would love to see my plane adorned with little rubber duckies. Might make the wife laugh too.

is there a place for silly downloads ?

Rubber duckies. Maybe turtles for IL2 pilots. etc


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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 04:47 PM
The problem Hartmann had was by the time he got all those victory marks on his rudder the weight of the paint threw the center of gravity off his 109....thats why he finally was shot down!!