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05-13-2004, 06:24 PM


05-13-2004, 06:24 PM


05-13-2004, 06:30 PM
inproper attitude ay? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I would love to see what happened after that photo was taken


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05-13-2004, 06:36 PM
Boing, boing!

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05-14-2004, 04:26 AM
I would hazard a guess that the next thing that happened was an inverted water ditching. Definitely not the sort of thing that is good for a pilot's career.

05-14-2004, 09:27 AM
Thanks Chimpy.

I bet pounding those planes into the deck at improper speeds and attitudes all day takes a toll on the spine and kidneys. Looks fun to watch, not so fun to have to do.

05-14-2004, 01:54 PM
A lot of up and coming PT pilots should know the virtual feeling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


05-14-2004, 05:17 PM
Instead of bouncing, or overshooting the carrier, I'll make it my mission to actually fall short and have the carrier move out from under me. That would be fun, or getting two wheels on the edge then turning over into the water.

05-15-2004, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by BSS-Vidar in response to Heywooood's thread about Three Point landings.
How did this line of dis-information get started? Is that Iraqi dude in here?

First off. No one has ever flown behind the boat "Just above stall speed"... that's suicide.

Second. Critical Angle of Attack is roughly 17 degrees on every wing design ever invented. (plus or minus a few tenths of a degree) This is the region where at any attitude, any airspeed, and any altitude a wing will stop flying, aka stall/depart. In other words, you can be in a 300 kts dive, pull too hard and exceed critical angle of attack; therefore, depart the wing at high speeds.

Three, No one has ever tried to fly a three point landing in Naval Aviation history. The parameters for flying carrier ops are very refined. You fly the optimum controlable airspeed, establish a specific glide path (3.5 degrees) and if your flying a WWII aircraft, you cut the power when "Padels" tells you to. Modern aircraft approaches are a different story. I'll talk about that in the LOMAC forum.


526 arrested landings on 7 different carriers, over 2000 hrs in S-3B Vikings and only got wet once.

This is an excerpt from the NavAirNews artical above:
"The pilot, having flown his airplane into a constant-altitude, constant-speed approach in line with the center of the deck, is given the cut. Height above deck is roughly 25 ft, varying with LSO's corrections for deck motion. Speed at cut is such that the three to five kts lost during descent allows plane to reach power off stalling speed at contact with deck.

Imediately after the cut, change in trim and loss of lift due to loss of power cause the plane to nose down, picking up sinking speed. The pilot flares the flight path of his plane by means of his elevators so as to reduce sinking speed and yet avoid floating. In this way, he picks up the second to fourth wire, contacting the deck with relatively little vertical velocity."

If that isn't a discription of flying the approach at just above the stall speed, and landing in a three point attitude, then I'd like for Mr. Vidar to explain what is! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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[This message was edited by IV_JG51_Razor on Sun May 16 2004 at 07:47 AM.]

05-16-2004, 03:21 AM

I have the video called "No Easy Days" and it shows about every a/c in the Navys inventory crashing/attempting to land on a carrier. The video also shows several other aspects of operational accidents during carriers Ops.

So the long nose Corsair wasn't the only plane to bounce a little on a carrier deck eh?


CCJ: What do you define as the most important things a fighter pilot must know to be successful, relating to air combat maneuvering?

Robert S. Johnson :
It's pretty simple, really. Know the absolute limits of your plane's capabilities.
Know its strengths and weaknesses. Know the strengths and weaknesses of you enemy's fighters. Never fight the way your enemy fights best. Always fight the way you fight best. Never be predictable.

In "Fighter Aces," aviation historians Raymond Tolliver
and Trevor Constable compared Johnson's record with that of two German aces.
Werner Molders was the first ace to score 100 aerial victories and Erich Hartmann is the top scoring ace of all time with 352.

The authors noted that
Johnson "emerges impressively from this comparison." He downed 28 planes in 91 sorties, while Molders took 142 sorties to do the same, and Hartmann, 194.


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05-16-2004, 08:46 AM
I've got that same video! It is great!! I've also got the book as well. There are some very interesting stories in it. There's also a couple of pictures of that A-6 Intruder coming aboard with his BN sticking about half way out of the canopy after his ejection seat fired while they were up in the refueling track. You can see the wake of the carrier in the background showing how tight a turn it made to get into wind for the recovery. In fact, it almost looks as if they were still turning when the A-6 crossed the ramp! Definitely a great book and video.

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