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Air-wolf23
05-01-2004, 04:29 AM
hi
im quit new to this game but im getting better

im i have startet to play online, but something i dont understand is how can the other player turn so fast and sharp, when i try to follow i stall.. tell me what i do wrong or how this can be??? is it cheat???

Air-wolf23
05-01-2004, 04:29 AM
hi
im quit new to this game but im getting better

im i have startet to play online, but something i dont understand is how can the other player turn so fast and sharp, when i try to follow i stall.. tell me what i do wrong or how this can be??? is it cheat???

Cpt.Ky3Mu4
05-01-2004, 05:05 AM
Cheat? No... everything depends on fighter you and your opponent are using. Some of the fighters turn faster, and with skillfull pilot who knows characteristics of the plane - it becomes a lethal weapon. Hurricane, A6M5a, B-239 , I-153, I-16 have very high turning rates, others like La5-7, Bf and FW had better dive and climb rate - so everything depends on plane you are flying. Never try to overturn A6M5a, while flying any of the last category planes. They are not stable on low speed, low altitude and high turns http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CaptainGelo
05-01-2004, 05:16 AM
.forget it....

[This message was edited by oleg86 on Sat May 01 2004 at 06:11 AM.]

nixon-fiend.
05-01-2004, 05:16 AM
Ok, first off - lose the notion of cheating - clear it from your head. It is not possible to cheat in FB. Well, maybe if you were a code breaking master-hacker but you'd be too busy wiring money into your swiss bank account, transferred through a worm you planted in NatWest to bother with FB.

Secondly you should know that FB is a faithfull recreation of real planes actual flight performance and different planes turn better than others.

You cannot out turn a yak for intance, in a Focke Wulf. Choose a plane that turns better and you'll be more successful.

Thirdy, the deployment of flaps at the correct time (not when your too fast) will generate more lift and aid your turn.

Other factors to consider are speed, damage, fuel amount etc. All these variables combine to influence your plane's turning ability.

... BUt lastly.. try to be smooth and fluid with your movements.. don't yank the stick around.. be gentle.

Maple_Tiger
05-01-2004, 05:19 AM
You'l have to be more specific.

What plane were you flying?

What plane was your opponent flying, ect?

Do you deploy combat flaps while in turn or manuver?


It realy depends on the planes involved and how much fuel you guys were carrying. Knowing when to deploy combat flaps is very important.

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nixon-fiend.
05-01-2004, 05:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oleg86:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cpt.Ky3Mu4:
others like La5-7, better dive and climb so everything depends on plane you are flying. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Oleg86.. not only are your comments unhelpful, misplaced and immature (bordering on offensive..)

They are also wrong.

i16, zero etc. WILL outturn an la5/7 and the la5/7 DOES have a better rate of climb & dive.

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SeaFireLIV
05-01-2004, 05:27 AM
Good calls, nixon-fiend.

Reminds me of one guy who joined our server that we had open as a `free-for-all` (I`ll spare you his name http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). But he first took up a 109Z (AGH- he dies). I musta chopped him down 3 or 4 times. Then he picked up a 109G2, now maybe he`s a threat I thought. But he kept making the cardinal sin of trying to TURN with my Spit or pulling up right in front of me! So there he is `hovering` at the top of his vertical climb wondering why he`s not moving any more and getting riddled with my cannon fire!

He did this act several more times so predictably. Finally, I felt sorry for him (since I did this when I first started) and went to give him some advice, but he disconnected. Probably out of frustration.
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CaptainGelo
05-01-2004, 05:29 AM
pointless..

[This message was edited by oleg86 on Sat May 01 2004 at 06:11 AM.]

nixon-fiend.
05-01-2004, 05:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oleg86:

well and TB3 will outturn p47, so? La's is Tnb fighters .........and if u know what u'r doing u can outturn I16's and zeros in them..

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BEEEP! wrong!

There is no such thing as a 'TnB plane'. It's all in the execution.

Whatsmore, if you know what you're doing in zeros and i16s you can outturn la7s!!

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CaptainGelo
05-01-2004, 05:36 AM
u just dont get it...

[This message was edited by oleg86 on Sat May 01 2004 at 06:12 AM.]

nixon-fiend.
05-01-2004, 05:41 AM
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Cpt.Ky3Mu4
05-01-2004, 05:51 AM
Oleg86, whats your problem? Not enough topics to troll around? As i see from number of your posts, you like to flood not to fly, so please make me a favor - go play with your mom's make up...

CaptainGelo
05-01-2004, 05:59 AM
...

[This message was edited by oleg86 on Sat May 01 2004 at 06:12 AM.]

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05-01-2004, 06:09 AM
oleg86, spam less, troll less. Take heed of good advice.

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Curly_109
05-01-2004, 06:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nixon-fiend.:
Ok, first off - lose the notion of cheating - clear it from your head. It is not possible to cheat in FB. Well, maybe if you were a code breaking master-hacker but you'd be too busy wiring money into your swiss bank account, transferred through a worm you planted in NatWest to bother with FB.

Secondly you should know that FB is a faithfull recreation of real planes actual flight performance and different planes turn better than others.

You cannot out turn a yak for intance, in a Focke Wulf. Choose a plane that turns better and you'll be more successful.

Thirdy, the deployment of flaps at the correct time (not when your too fast) will generate more lift and aid your turn.

Other factors to consider are speed, damage, fuel amount etc. All these variables combine to influence your plane's turning ability.

... BUt lastly.. try to be smooth and fluid with your movements.. don't yank the stick around.. be gentle.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

great answer.... totally agreed... but cheating online i think will never die http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

AFJ_Skyghost
05-01-2004, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oleg86:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cpt.Ky3Mu4:
others like La5-7, better dive and climb so everything depends on plane you are flying. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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He was just giving his reply to a very legit question
Assuming you're not a noob and you are an awsome freaking ace let me ask you another thing:

For how long are you so stupid? since birth? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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CaptainGelo
05-01-2004, 06:58 AM
AFJ....... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

[This message was edited by oleg86 on Sat May 01 2004 at 06:13 AM.]

F19_Ob
05-01-2004, 07:03 AM
There are many ways to otturn your opponent, but the most usual is when u are in a better turning plane. But even a better turning plane can be outturned. It depends on what speed both planes have. Normally the fast plane will have a bigger turningcircle than the slower one. This means that a slow bf109 sometimes can outturn a fastflying p39 or even spitfire for a short period.

A usual mistake when u try to turn fast is to pull to hard and to fast, wich vill lead to stalling and often flipping over.
If u are going to fast but want to turn better u can try the high yoyo wich means that u climb in the turn and then dive down again, still in the turn. This will make your turningcircle a bit smaller = better turn.


hope this help to start with.

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PF_Coastie
05-01-2004, 08:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nixon-fiend.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oleg86:

well and TB3 will outturn p47, so? La's is Tnb fighters .........and if u know what u'r doing u can outturn I16's and zeros in them..

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BEEEP! wrong!


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Thanks a lot Nixon, I now have to clean my monitor and keyboard of all the coffee that came flying out of my nose. It was hot too! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Bearcat99
05-01-2004, 08:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Air-wolf23:
hi
im quit new to this game but im getting better

im i have startet to play online, but something i dont understand is how can the other player turn so fast and sharp, when i try to follow i stall.. tell me what i do wrong or how this can be??? is it cheat???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First off the turning you see is not a cheat. If it seems to defy the laws of physics it is probably warping caused by lag.

Now for turning... Look at the Sturmovik Essentials thread stickied at the top of the forum.. go to Tailslides, Tailspin's Tales and Fighting for your Life to get some good tips.

When I fly I use flaps and trim and prop pitch to assist my turns. It is all a matter of feel. When using flaps in a turn apply combat flaps at the start of a turn for just a few seconds.. then raise them again. Longer than that will cause you to slow down which you dont want. Use your ailerons .... in other words roll into turns...... practice just flying trying all kinds of maneuvers till you get a better feel for the FMs in this sim and the FMs of the particular plane you are flying.

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Vortex_uk
05-01-2004, 08:52 AM
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LEBillfish
05-01-2004, 09:27 AM
Actually, I'm going to argue against some of the more "experienced and skilled answers here", yet toss something out that might be of value to some, get others including myself at times killed a lot too however until you learn it per plane.

That being, I will often though not always NOT fly a plane here using their peak and designed tactics. I'll fly "using the stall, the roll, the shoot and scoot" etc. when the plane was not intended to be used that way.

What this does for me is a couple things. Over time, I learn the limitations a plane really has where in some optimize that perfect 101 method for it, I've discovered where some can be pressed to. This then allows me to NOT fly as an opponent might expect, especially when he least expects it. That alone sometimes can rattle an opponent enough they almost instantly take on a defensive mindset....the real killer.

Ex. The other day having been flying my "next to worst" plane here (Mousetang I always stall, FW190 follows close after)...and was involved in some fights where I was in a FW190-a4 vs. 1941 & 43 Laggs up to 3 at a time flown by some pilots I respect. To make a long story short I used stalls to snap turn, and to brake, lots of flap use to turn with them, lots of rudder, etc.. The best fight ending in 3 trying to run still with ammo and now they using tactics that a FW excels at. So be it their planes peak methods or the FW's, I had them.

If they think you must hit then extend yet you can turn with them, it's rattling to say the least. Or visa versa when you can make great use of your e and they just can't get away if you're in a turner. Best part is, once you learn a plane well enough it becomes second nature and soon habit expanding its possibilities for all situations.

Is it ideal?...not always....Yet if you learn both I feel you're way ahead of the game and just became a threat few expect.

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Fehler
05-01-2004, 12:24 PM
Turn? What's a turn, just yo-yo all day. Turning is for people that think two-dimensionally...

Live outside the box.

But seriously, there are a lot of great reads to get you into air simming and energy management. It is a bit time consuming, but anything worht doing well will take time to learn.

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