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Baltar
08-20-2004, 08:20 AM
Call me crazy, but I'd like to see a Saab J-21 in this sim. This is by no means a request; just wondering if any else is keen on the idea. For that matter has there been any discussion of this aircraft already, or *gasp* is there already someone working on it?

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Baltar
08-20-2004, 08:20 AM
Call me crazy, but I'd like to see a Saab J-21 in this sim. This is by no means a request; just wondering if any else is keen on the idea. For that matter has there been any discussion of this aircraft already, or *gasp* is there already someone working on it?

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~wilhelm.smith/images/kitten.jpg

Zayets
08-20-2004, 08:35 AM
your sig is too big.I was thinking (as the image was loading) that I would see a saab.Dissapointed,to say the least.

Zayets out

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WUAF_Badsight
08-20-2004, 08:41 AM
ok here ya go then . . . .


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Badsight/saab_j21_01.jpg

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Capt._Tenneal
08-20-2004, 08:59 AM
Is that a GRENADE (!) near that kitty ?

Ki_Rin
08-20-2004, 09:22 AM
Yes, its an old trick...when the kitten sneezes from smelling the flower, the grenade is armed and stuffed down the kittens, throat, then released into enemy lines, when an unsuspecting PETA soldier picks it up, and........



actually, the J 21 would be cool...and also the jet-powered development of that, the designation of which eludes me fo rthe moment...

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robban75
08-20-2004, 09:46 AM
http://airwar.valka.cz/muzeum/ostatni/saab_j21/clipart/f_01.jpg

J 21

On July 30th 1943, SAAB's prototype J21 took to the sky for the first time. 198 examples were produced from 1945 to 1948 and remained in service until 1952. It was also one of only two aircraft to be converted into a jet successfully (the J21R), the other being the Yak-3.
The J21A was powered by a Swedish built Daimler-Benz DB605B developing 1475 HP. (The is the same engine as in the Messerschmitt Bf 109G)
The Swedish built engine had problems with overheating when idling on the ground. Ground crew routinely had to water down the underside of the midwing to keep it cool.
Despite this and other shortcomings, pilots appreciated its exceptionally small turning radius and great stall characteristics. It was easy to land and take off, had a comfortable cockpit, and had the best escape system of the time.
The J21 was an excellent gun platform, sporting four .50cal machine guns and one 20mm cannon (the big barrel protruding from the nose).
The J21 was one of the first first operational aircraft in the world equipped with an ejection seat

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Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."

Sam_the_greek
08-20-2004, 10:18 AM
My god, that is the most adorable kitten I have ever seen, that's a big ooooooooh. Then the grenade, tssss. SS= Sadist Suckers!!!


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S 8
08-20-2004, 10:33 AM
How about Forgotten Battles:Swedish Airforce.As a native I would buy it.Dunno what kind of missions except border watch out(imagine a better word for it) would be.Did we ever fire on a enemy??Gonna check it up.

crazyivan1970
08-20-2004, 10:36 AM
Sig too small, make it bigger

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Ki_Rin
08-20-2004, 12:38 PM
The J21 was one of the first first operational aircraft in the world equipped with an ejection seat

The first to be fitted and actually use an ejection seat was the He 280 twin jet fighter, which flew in 1941...was also the first twin jet, first jet fighter (only a few examples made, but all fitted with armament) and first tricycle gear jet

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ElektroFredrik
08-20-2004, 05:11 PM
Sure bring it on. In PF, we'll need the J21 to
fight off the Shinden http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
J21 in all her glory (http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/Images/Gj21.jpg)

@S 8: I believe some shooting did happen.
Some of the Caproni bombers we had (horrible
planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif) got chased and shot down by
German fighters. I've also read about a Ju-88
(IIRC) with newest and secretest German radar
getting lost and landing in Sweden.
On the subject I can recommend the book
"N√¬∂dlandning Sverige" by Rolph Wegmann and
Bo Widfeldt (ISBN 91-971605-0-4)


Two models of J21 (jet and prop versions)
http://www.gunnar.forsman.com/planes/saab%20j21%20&%20j21r.JPG

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Tully__
08-20-2004, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Sig too small, make it bigger


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HangerQueen
08-20-2004, 10:03 PM
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~wilhelm.smith/images/kitten.jpg

Hans, your idiot kitten is playing with a hand grenade!

Quick, Andreas, distract it with a flower while I remove the grenade!

Here, kitty, kitty. Phew, I think it's working.

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The_Ant
08-21-2004, 02:58 AM
From: S8
How about Forgotten Battles:Swedish Airforce.As a native I would buy it.Dunno what kind of missions except border watch out(imagine a better word for it) would be.Did we ever fire on a enemy??Gonna check it up.


Oh yeah we fired alot,when we where patroling the borders of sweden,i have read several articales about that,i remember one specific where, i think it was 2 swedish fighter (dont remember what they where flying)attacking a He 111 flying from norway across sweden they shoot it down somewhere near ÷land,The fighter pilots where then forbidden too talk about it.And dont least forgett the F19 flying in finnish lapland
shooting down 12 soviet planes for the loss of 6
swedish planes the losses consisted of recon planes and bombers and some fighter,so i think the swedish boys did good.

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Red_Storm
08-21-2004, 04:32 AM
That handgrenade isn't in the original photo. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And isn't that Saab a copy of a Fokker design? (not the G1, the other twin boom)

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F16_Petter
08-21-2004, 05:51 AM
As much as I would like to see the J21 in the IL2 engine, but I dont think it belongs in IL2FB, PF or BOB in any way.

However, if Maddox would make a map of Scandinavia, Norway, Denmark, Sweden it would be nice with some swedish planes.
Dont forget the SAAB B17 and FFVS J22.
Remarkable a/c.

But lets face it, as long as there is no way to add 3rd party maps and aircraft without going via maddox etc, I dont think these planes have any meaning in IL2FB or PF or BOB.

Too bad tho, but I think they need to prioritate what planes that need to come first into the sim. (BI-1, TB3 and 109Z is however bad examples)

:P

Taylortony
08-21-2004, 07:25 AM
funnily enough i did do a photo reccie Swedish Spit J 31 but never released it, if there is some interest i could put it online to download.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif might need a tweek here and there first but it was done

robban75
08-21-2004, 07:38 AM
Taylortony, that would be awesome! If you want to you can make a Swedish skin for the P-51 (J 26). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."

F16_Petter
08-21-2004, 12:29 PM
Robban, look here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/J%2026%20Mustang/mustangs_1.jpg

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/J%2026%20Mustang/mustangs_2.jpg

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/J%2026%20Mustang/mustangs_3.jpg

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/J%2026%20Mustang/mustangs_4.jpg

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/J%2026%20Mustang/mustangs_5.jpg

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/J%2026%20Mustang/mustangs_6.jpg

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/J%2026%20Mustang/mustangs_7.jpg

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/J%2026%20Mustang/mustangs_8.jpg

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/sig_petter.jpg (http://flygflottilj16.se/)

F16_Petter
08-21-2004, 12:30 PM
Lettercode moved a bit for clarity, besides from that its as good as I can make it from the ZD plans that I have.

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/sig_petter.jpg (http://flygflottilj16.se/)

robban75
08-21-2004, 12:43 PM
Wow! Great skins Petter!! Where can I get those? Are they avaliable on IL2skins?


Thanks on forehand! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."

boxmike
08-21-2004, 01:30 PM
Not to hijack the thread, I start with Saab 21. That ejection seat was really something different from contemporary fighters, don't know if it was first mass produced.
About Saab21R, de Havilland Goblin gas turbine engine was tested, 21R had to be modified with larger aft fuselage nacelle and tailplane lifted to top to be clear of jet efflux. Prototype flew 10 march 1947, production took off only Feb 1949 to produce 30 21RA(3000lb thrust Goblin 2) and 30 21RB(3300lb thrust license built Goblin 3). Original order was for 120 ACs but development of Saab 29 'Tunnan'('Barrel') was well ahead of schedule so it took the nr.1 place.
I always have a wide smile when looking into planes like Saab 29 and Mig-15, was it Focke-Wulf Ta-183 originally? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

About Swedish in WW2, F19 was full Swedish unit fighting in Northern Finland during Winter War. I have seen pic of those planes in Finnish insignia but some picture featured Gladiators with pirate 'Jolly Roger' insignia. Nice look, real 'Soldier of Fortune' style.
F19 equipment was Hawker Hart two-seat recon bombers and Gladiators.Example of action: First sortie attacking supply convoy east of Salmijarvi and continuing to Markajarvi ice air base, destroying two planes on ground. Afterwards, one damaged Hart collided with another with one fatality, 2 POWs(returned later), one escaped. During same battle, ensign Friedrich Iacobi got first Swedish kill 3 miles north of Markajarvi shooting down I-15 fighter.
Later, 4 Glad's CAPping at Markajarvi, ensign John Sjokvist got killed when shot from ground during dogfight with 4 I-15 fighters. Possibly explosive round, the Gladiator burst easily into flames which was one of that type's dark side.
There were quite a mixed bunch of foreign volunteers in FAF, the Danes were well represented, some giving the ultimate sacrifice.

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Taylortony
08-22-2004, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
Taylortony, that would be awesome! If you want to you can make a Swedish skin for the P-51 (J 26). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have uploaded the Spitfire for you, i don't do P51's but as seen there are some available already http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

skin is at

http://www.il2skins.com/?action=display&skinid=14394&ts=1093181690&camefrom=intro

F16_Petter
08-22-2004, 11:35 AM
Robban, these skin isnt available for public (yet), but I can make one for you, visit our forum and make a request on what ID no and Tail ID you want etc and I can have it done for you.

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/F16_Petter/sig_petter.jpg (http://flygflottilj16.se/)

ASM 1
08-22-2004, 01:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Sig too small, make it bigger

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J26 (P-51) looks cool btw - J21 would be nice.....

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lindyman
09-04-2004, 05:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
ok here ya go then . . . .


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Badsight/saab_j21_01.jpg
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Has one been restored to flyable condition?

No more than 20 minutes ago, when I locked my car, I heard a strange prop sound. Prop sounds isn't unusual, since I live only a few km south of Bromma airport in Stockholm, but this one wasn't the usual sound. Looking up at the overcast, I tried to see what plane it might be. I saw a short glimpse of something very similar looking. My first thought was that I saw a Vampire, since they're popular at airshows around, but the prop sound kind of didn't match.
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/Bjorn.

AlexDavies
09-04-2004, 05:13 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif funny what some people get up too with the spare time they have.

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