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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 03:29 PM
....I don't have ANY experience with flight sims. WWII flight sims are the only ones that catch my interest. Is this the one to get? I hear so much about this sim.

Can you be a tail gunner in a plane? How team oriented is this game? I am the leader of Rainbow Recon (|RR|) for Raven Shield and we work on teamwork. Can you tell me how teamwork can come into play on this game? Do I have to play as Russian or German? Or can I be American? (no offense). Does the UBI servers keep track of your kills or something? How does that work? Can you choose to be on the ground and be a flak gunner or anything?

I will be needing a joystick also. Which one is recommended? I don't want to spend alot of money on a joystick if I don't play much or I don't really like the game. I plan on downloading the demo once I get a joystick. I'm afraid I won't get the full effect of the game without one.

One more thing. How well will the game run on a AMD 2500 with 512 DDR and a Nvidia Geforce Ti 4200?


Sorry for the "drawn out" post.

Thanks in advance.

|RR|Tekaran

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Message Edited on 07/29/0308:32AM by Tekaran

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 03:29 PM
....I don't have ANY experience with flight sims. WWII flight sims are the only ones that catch my interest. Is this the one to get? I hear so much about this sim.

Can you be a tail gunner in a plane? How team oriented is this game? I am the leader of Rainbow Recon (|RR|) for Raven Shield and we work on teamwork. Can you tell me how teamwork can come into play on this game? Do I have to play as Russian or German? Or can I be American? (no offense). Does the UBI servers keep track of your kills or something? How does that work? Can you choose to be on the ground and be a flak gunner or anything?

I will be needing a joystick also. Which one is recommended? I don't want to spend alot of money on a joystick if I don't play much or I don't really like the game. I plan on downloading the demo once I get a joystick. I'm afraid I won't get the full effect of the game without one.

One more thing. How well will the game run on a AMD 2500 with 512 DDR and a Nvidia Geforce Ti 4200?


Sorry for the "drawn out" post.

Thanks in advance.

|RR|Tekaran

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Message Edited on 07/29/0308:32AM by Tekaran

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 03:46 PM
Tekaran wrote in a noobish kinda way:


- ....I don't have ANY experience with flight sims.
- WWII flight sims are the only ones that catch my
- interest. Is this the one to get? I hear so much
- about this sim.

It IS THE ONE TO GET! Ignore the whines, it`s on a higher level!


-
- Can you be a tail gunner in a plane?

Yes and most other positons!


How team
- oriented is this game?

It`s VERY team orientated, but like all things it depends on who you meet online, as you probably know. Best thing to do is join an online squad or play the offline campaign.

I am the leader of Rainbow
- Recon (|RR|) for Raven Shield and we work on
- teamwork. Can you tell me how teamwork can come
- into play on this game?

I used to play Strike Force in UT so I know what you`re looking for. Well think of all the best WWII flight FILMS ever, and think of the teamwork involved for one squad to succeed in mission. Cover, back up, winging. In many ways it`s very similar to a strike force team working together to complete a goal, but in aircraft. It`s all there- too much to go in detail.



Do I have to play as
- Russian or German? Or can I be American? (no
- offense).

Yes. All of them- and Fins.


Does the UBI servers keep track of your
- kills or something? How does that work?


No. You`re best to go on Hyper-lobby, join a squad then register on VOW (virtual online war) or VEF (Virtual Eastern War).

Can you
- choose to be on the ground and be a flak gunner or
- anything?


No, You can`t use a flak gun or be ground crew.
-
- I will be needing a joystick also. Which one is
- recommended? I don't want to spend alot of money on
- a joystick if I don't play much or I don't really
- like the game. I plan on downloading the demo once
- I get a joystick. I'm afraid I won't get the full
- effect of the game without one.


You MUST have a joystick. So many I can`t recommend, but don`t go for a shabby one. Get one with a throttle, a hat switch and a good few buttons- not too expensive these days. Some one else might post advice on that.


-
- One more thing. How well will the game run on a AMD
- 2500 with 512 DDR and a Nvidia Geforce Ti 4200?


Very well. A little extra ram would not hurt. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
-
- Sorry for the "drawn out" post.

It`s ok, don`t do it again! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- Thanks in advance.
-
- |RR|Tekaran
-




Message Edited on 07/29/0302:53PM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 03:49 PM
Team play is great in this sim...... a team of 2 or more can still have fun in what is called a coop mission where you fly against the AI with or without AI wingmen. The graphics are stunning, the game play is fast and furious if you set it up right. The learning curve is high. If you are looking for something you can jump in and become an ace overnight you are in the wrong sim. If however you are up to a challenge and want to experience the closest thing to WW2 aircombat that you will ever find without joining the military (for now at least../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) then get this sim. You can get a SaitekX45 joystick in the store for $79 US unless you try to catch a sale which may be this weekend due to the releas of FS2004...or you can get a refurbed one here....
http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html
but I hear they are back ordered. http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/images/pagegraphics/x45small2.gif
This sim is simply a work of art. Currently there are no American campaigns but there are some in the works being created even as I type by members of this community. We fly mostly on Hyperlobby http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/ There is a program that can keep track of scores and such if that is your thing but i think you may find the sim itself so much fun that to some extent scores may become somewhat irrelevent. There are bombers you can crew and the B-17 is in the works at this very moment. I cant say when it will be released. The P-51 Mustang is coming. You mentioned American planes..well we have several variants of the P-39,P-40,P-47 and the Brewster Buffalo....and as I said the P-51 is coming along with a few Japanese planes and a P-38 in the future. There is a lot of room for growth in this sim and it's developer has taken the time to create a sensory smorgasbord for any simmer worth his joystick. If you are new to sims altogether I can think of no better place to start than right here at the top with the cream of flight sims. You will also find this community..as ******ed as we can get at times /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif is one of this sims strongest assets...an invaluable sorce of information on everything from the sim, to technical issues, personal problems..(at the "unofficial" off topic forum...a complete waste of space actually../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) history, and an endless source of comic relief. To answer you question simply.......YES!!!! Buy this sim...you will stop calling it a game shortly thereafter..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Welcome aboard..

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Message Edited on 07/29/0310:51AM by Bearcat99

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 04:01 PM
If WW2 sims really catch you and you want a sim that is at the top of its class, then yes you want Forgotten Battles.

The answers to the rest of your questions is YES
you can be a tailgunner, heck you can be a wing gunner or a bombadier depending on the plane you are in. There are a few planes you can have more than just 2 people in as well.

This sim is very team oriented if you like being part of a squad. My squad uses several types of voice communication software during game play, we also get together to practice and fly missions. We also fly matches with other squads in FB.

Now this sim currently only allows you to be in a plane, no flack gunners or anything like that, at least not at this point.

If your looking for a good low cost joystick I recommend the Saitek cyborg 3-D Gold it runs about $30.00 which is pretty low for a stick, but it performs everybit as good as those high cost sticks. I have been using mine now for the last 3 years without problems.
http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/cyb3dusbstic1.html
Those you hear of having alot of problems with sticks breaking more than likely are just being to hard on the stick they had. not in all cases but I would definately say in at least 90 % of them that is true. You know excitement gets the best of you when your really into a game and you tend to be harder on your equiptment in that case, like watching a kid play on a playstation, or x-box or whatever they get excited and slam the buttons hard thinking it will make the game work better, which we all know it wont.

This game is not for someone expecting to get an easy to fly sim, as these planes are harder to fly due to them being more life like than in any other sim.

Not sure about your comps specs, but myself the game runs fine, and i run it on a
Athlon 1.2Ghz
384 MB ram
Ati 9000 Pro 128MB graphics card

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07-29-2003, 04:02 PM
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michapma
07-29-2003, 04:03 PM
If you are looking for teamwork and strategy, don't overlook Forgotten Wars:
http://forgottenwars.dyndns.org/

You will likely want to find a squadron that meets your anticipations.

Also don't forget that you will need to learn how to fly. Don't take for granted the skill and knowledge needed to become even a moderately successful combat pilot.

Cheers,
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ZG77_Nagual
07-29-2003, 04:16 PM
No question - this is THE flight ww2 combat simm.

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 04:23 PM
Thanks for the replies....

Well, I guess I better be setting back some money (hiding it from my wife) to purchase this SIM. I have looked up the Saitek x45 and hopefully I can find one around here. I don't like buying from the net.

From the sound of it, it is not a easy sim to fly for some1 with NO flying experence. Except for like Falcon 1.0? And that has been a while. Is there a tutorial for taking off, landing, instruments, and such or am I gonna have to do some reading up on the manual?

How does online play work. Is it like RVS as in servers and such. How many players in a server? I'm sure like just about every online games there are cheaters. How bad is it in IL? Many Bug Issues?


Thanks again.

Tek

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Message Edited on 07/29/0309:40AM by Tekaran

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 07:48 PM
There are training missions/movies to view which provide some basic instructions...after that it is Practice, Practice, Practice!!!

Even very experienced flight simmers have been known to have difficulty on their first Flights in IL2/IL2:FB Here's one of my very first "take-offs"! I am too ashamed to show my first "landing"....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 07:48 PM
After Practice, it looks like this:
http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/wi/wileycoyote2/TakeoffRoll2.gif


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Message Edited on 07/29/0311:49AM by OberstWiley

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 08:30 PM
Yep buy it it's worth it!

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:14 PM
Yesterday, I saw a thread by some guy on how he considered painting a cockpit onto the bottom of your plane cheating! That goes to show just how much cheating occurs in this game - absolutely none at all! I've been flying FB since it came out, and Il2 before that, and I've yet to see someone cheat. Oh, you'll get cheaters, the uber enemy anti-aircraft gunners, who've invited the crowd from UT2003 over to take headshots at us, and the pesky Russkie planes that can do cobras if you let them, but Oleg(he's the guy who made this sim) will send them all packing when the first patch comes out sometime next week(hopefuly!). Hope I see you in the skies.

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:31 PM
Yes, it will be very hard to fly at first, especially if you know very little about flying aircraft. Also, as with most games now, don't expect much from the manual. It just basicly provides general information about the game, and not so much about flying.

For flying online, almost everyone uses Hyperlobby. There are no dedicated servers yet, but some people do host scripted servers and then leave them running, similar to a dedicated server. There are dogfights, and cooperative missions that can be hosted, and of course you can also make and host your own missions as well. I think it's 16 people max in a dogfight, and 32 for a cooperative mission.

As for cheating, such as modifying game files or using hacks, that is non-existant. Some people do try to exploit certain things in the game, such as trim, but that doesn't work very well most of the time and is not very common. Note that if you do get the game and play online, sometimes you might see "cheating has been detected". That refers to someone who is warping around due to lag, so it's not really a cheat.

There aren't that many bugs in Forgotten Battles, but most of the ones that did slip through are being fixed in the patch.

One final thing, a force feedback joystick will make flying seem much more realistic, and easier since you will feel how the plane is flying. The only one i'm familiar with is the Microsoft Force Feedback 2, which was around $100. MS stopped making joysticks though, so i'm not sure about the price now, or if you could still find one. There are other force feedback sticks, i just couldn't tell you what they are.


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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:41 PM
The biggest thing to know about flying online is that it's a very forgiving community.

No l33t speak, not "I own you" crap.

Since you already have TeamSpeak and Roger Wilco, if you ask somebody will either invite you in or join you on your server to give pointers.

Also, many servers = many settings, from "Arcade" to "Abusively difficult."

There's a Quick Mission Builder (QMB) that you can practice shooting with. Set it up with friendly bombers and shoot them down.

Don't worry about all the technical stuff, it will come very quickly to you. Heck, I didn't know the difference between a 109 and a MiG before I bought IL-2 and couldn't identify a 190 as a 190 on a bet.

Taking off is second hardest thing to learn. Landing is the hardest, but if you learn patience it'll come along.

If you have questions, just ask. Everybody (except, possibly, RBJ) stank at this sim at some point. You can even record online dogfights and look at them afterwards to see how you got smoked!

I can provide you with a handy glossary of online terms and a primer on server manners if you'd like - email gigerfr<at>bellsouth.net - just don't put HOT CHICKS in the header or I'll delete it without reading it! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:44 PM
I had little FS experience when I bought this game, but I could takeoff 99% of the time and land 70% of the time in full real. . . .

My favorite maneuver is online in a DF over my base . . if I am crippled but not destroyed (engine shot, pilot heavily wonded, wing with giant hole it, etc) you just powerdive at your runway and then shut off engine (don't feather prop) drop flaps . . and gear once you are under 300 km/h and touch down . . . I love it when I do that and deprive good pilots of a kill. Once I even got lit on fire . . . shut engine off, inverted, and did a half-loop, droppiung gear and flaps . . . to a perfect landing. . . the fire had gone out when I shut my engine down so I got an RTB and the enemy got nothing. HA!


yess. you want this game so badly that you don't even know it. Pawn your wedding ring if you need the money.

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:53 PM
Hey everyone, one of Tek's buddies over here. After all the positive responses, I got sent over here, sounds like a really good game, and a LOT better community than Raven shield (12 year olds with cheats anyone). I've never really gotten into flight sims either (I fly on battlefield 1942, but thats a lot different I assume), and they seem somewhat intimidating to me. However, I have always been interested in flight sims, so might as well get into it now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, we have a dedicated ventrilo server, so if people want to pity us and give us some pointers on how to fly, and laugh at us, just give us a hollar, looks like we'll be joining the community soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 10:07 PM
Aflak wrote:
- My favorite maneuver is online in a DF over my base
- . . if I am crippled but not destroyed (engine shot,
- pilot heavily wonded, wing with giant hole it, etc)
- you just powerdive at your runway and then shut off
- engine (don't feather prop) drop flaps . . and gear
- once you are under 300 km/h and touch down . . . I
- love it when I do that and deprive good pilots of a
- kill. Once I even got lit on fire . . . shut
- engine off, inverted, and did a half-loop, droppiung
- gear and flaps . . . to a perfect landing. . . the
- fire had gone out when I shut my engine down so I
- got an RTB and the enemy got nothing. HA!


ughhhhh.....sorry i don't know the astronomical equation of the north star. lol j/k

Probably should have put.... I just take the little thingy and move it down a little and pull towards yourself on the stick, then push this button, and that button, and stick your head between your legs and kiss your *** goodbye.

Now i understand that. Anyways thanks for the info all and hope to see you on soon. Of course you will probably be behind me, but , i have to start somewhere.

Holla,

Tek



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