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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:12 AM
I am happy with the patch. I don`t know, maybe i am lucky...but i did not have sound or any other problem and my 9700 pro runs on 3.6 cats, perfect settings just fine. Love the new sound and new visuals. Love the fact that woods are not killing FPS anymore. By the way i like the new sound, i find it more real life-alike

As for FM`s... i can comment only on two planes.

My main ride K4 - was not porked or chopped.. as a K4 flier since FB release.. i`ll tell you that is not true at all. Those guys who thinks that its porked got use to 105% throttle cheat, that`s all /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif She is still cold blooded killer and with new MK108 VVS better be not wondering around its gunsight /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

D-9..what a riot. Awesome, 20mm can take most of fighters apart...about time those got some attention /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Much better climb and hold energy whole alot better in wide high speed turns. Dive speed is greater IMO too.

Gonna check 190A`s later on...will see what they do /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Bottom line, good stuff so far.

Flame me if you want /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:12 AM
I am happy with the patch. I don`t know, maybe i am lucky...but i did not have sound or any other problem and my 9700 pro runs on 3.6 cats, perfect settings just fine. Love the new sound and new visuals. Love the fact that woods are not killing FPS anymore. By the way i like the new sound, i find it more real life-alike

As for FM`s... i can comment only on two planes.

My main ride K4 - was not porked or chopped.. as a K4 flier since FB release.. i`ll tell you that is not true at all. Those guys who thinks that its porked got use to 105% throttle cheat, that`s all /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif She is still cold blooded killer and with new MK108 VVS better be not wondering around its gunsight /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

D-9..what a riot. Awesome, 20mm can take most of fighters apart...about time those got some attention /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Much better climb and hold energy whole alot better in wide high speed turns. Dive speed is greater IMO too.

Gonna check 190A`s later on...will see what they do /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Bottom line, good stuff so far.

Flame me if you want /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:16 AM
Is Ivan a German name?

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:18 AM
Dude, check out the G-10. It has changed for the better too.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:18 AM
LOL Buzz.. for some reason i got stuck with LW since day 1 in IL2 lol...go figure

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:19 AM
Thanks for heads-up HD, will check it too...will check all my LW toys lol. How do you like the patch?

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:41 AM
Hi crazyivan
I fly German too and after just downloading the patch these are first impressions of the German birds.
-190 A is a vertical beast now.
It dives and zoom climbs so nice that it gains a lot more altitude while at it.
It stall much easier too so it's an uber a/c as well as a proposition for an ace.
Certainly not a noob plane.
-Dora, is , well ,still beautiful to fly and has improved roll as well.
Like you said those 20mm look more deadly which is what may have been holding most people away from this bird
-K-4, well I'm going to test the top speed but someone elsewhere wrote it is porked and that's bull.
I easily outclimbed an ace AI La-7 starting at 1000m alt and even though the zoom climb is not UFO anymore( to the point of being ridiculous) it still is very potent.

Oh, and has anyone noticed that the K-4 is very very heavy on the controls at high speeds or is it just me?
Everything I've ever read suggests this to be the case so I have no quarell with it if it's true for the patch.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:49 AM
The F-4 is the best BF109, the only drawback to it is its armnament. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:51 AM
Hola Christos.

Thanks for sharing. Regarding 109`s high speed handling...it seems the same to me. Did you noticed that climb rate didn`t change much?
Gonna take a look at 190 in the few...if i ever will be able to get into my own server /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:15 AM
OMG some senseible posts..thanks guys please continue to share your observations 9still at 80%) download myself & got that work thing in the a.m..

Interesting to here from folks who are rational about the FMs etc. & of course from people who know hte planes they are testing out.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:25 AM
The 190 has now replaced the Hurricane as the so called "Noob plane"

I've never flown it because is was a temperamental ride that required a good pilot, now there's nothing it won't do. The damn thing's a dogfighter now.

Don't mind me, I'm just bitter about a P-47 that takes 10 seconds to roll 360' at 500 kph while the 190's do it in 3 seconds.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:32 AM
I'm sorry Torbocrotch but your bitterness is clouding your judgement.
The 190 will stall much easier now and we know it was never a pus*ycat anyway.
How can you call that a noob plane?
Noobs have trouble taking off and landing, never mind keeping it together in the middle of a dogfight.
And yes, it's dogfighter now but not of the turn n burn kind which doesn't take much to do.
And it's more like it should be now than before which is more manouvrable than a 109.
The 190 fans had been supressed for too long/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:35 AM
I mainly flew german planes on HL and I tell you, theres acouple that seem too good and the 108 1 hit mid air million piece explosions is very lame. Checkout some real 108 guncam footage on many of the websites or vhs/dvds. The k4 being porked noway! and the g10 are killers the dora movement and a few other 190s is crazy no one can hit you when stick yanking, unbias'd here for sure. Been flying well too long today since the patch was released


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:39 AM
Lead, i know you still upset about that explosion...but it wasn`t one shot deal...it was a good birst of 5-6 rounds from 50m or so. BTW my pilot got killed when you plane exploaded...never happened before. Another kewl detail /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:41 AM
Well, Crazyivan, it seems the K-4 can still hold a 30 degree climb without stalling which was my favorite tactic of escaping noob 262s./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
I tested the 45 Dora against the 44 for speed and here's what I found:
First , there's no 3400m 'step' for the Dora any more, speed will build up with height more rationaly.
45 is some 4-5 Km quicker at 1000m.
The 44 takes over at that alt and is faster up to about 4000+ where the 45 catches up again and gets ahead slightly.
The 44 is significantly quicker again at 5000m and above.
By the looks of things the 44 will be my new mount.

The speed of the A-5 has been significantly boosted.
It wouldn't go past 608km/h at 5500m in the original which was a drag literally and metaphorically /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
It was also getting stuck at 530k from 1800 to 3000m but now it's more the mid to low level alt fighter it's engine was designed for.
It will rule early war servers by the looks of it.
Shouldn't it?


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:48 AM
If you don't think Oleg went to far in pleasing the Luftwhiners, just watch as the servers all fill with 190 pilots.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:55 AM
Great replies guys, nice to see some people are actually happy that their planes were made to be more realistic.


109 high-speed handling is definitely less responsive and a great/accurate addition IMHO. 109K-4 and G-10 are still excellent fighters, no doubt. Mk-108 is the best gun in the game hands down, IMO.

My 190A (my personal favorite) impressions:

-Much better speed retention in low-g turns.
-Light controls even at very high speed.
-More effective machine guns and cannons. All of them.
-Slight increase in dive acceleration.
-Much better zoom climb
-Stronger flaps, provides slight benefit in certain circumstances.

I am happy with the 190A now. But I feel it is far from a "noob" plane and is a better representation of the real aircraft IMO.

Ivan, I would like to hear your impressions of the 190A if you get the chance.

And Turbo, I disagree about Oleg going too far (of course I would). The early and late 109's are still superior IMHO, the A-5 in '43 is nice though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Besides, all the servers were filled with 109's before so obviously something was wrong. The 190 isn't improved that much to go from nobody flying them to everybody. Maybe I am wrong but that is my opinion.

I know I still want some trusty 109's covering my a$$, flying high above me.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:06 AM
Well, funny thing is that even though the 30mm is potent now, you don't need it anymore.
I flew QMB in A-9 and it definitely affects the zoom climb to be carrying 103 pods.
On the other hand the default armament is deadly now.
Forgot to test with wing 108s.
But the Dora outflies the A series.
I think the Dora will be the new king of FB.
I hope I'm not wrong.
Time will show if Oleg has gone too far with the 190s.
But I think we should get to see more servers with restricted types of planes.
I mean with the Ta 152 and other ubers in the pipelines it won't be much fan to have everybody flying a/c that played very little if any part in the war.



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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:09 AM
Sort of off topic but some fun little stuff I noticed in the offline campaign.

I only saw this on one occation, this pilot's engine was smoking, with a LOT of forest space in front of him, yet he literally waited to the edge of the forest with a burning engine to make a crash landing. This was only one occation but if the AI forest crash bug is truly fixed then that's pretty sweet /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

Also I am having a lot less AI wingman deaths during the campaign. I started several different campaigns and each one began with low casualties (0-1 wingmen deaths). Great stuff.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:16 AM
lol ivan, not from you killing. I was in the k4 for a good 3 hrs today doing the same to las p47s p40s hurricanes 190s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:20 AM
The sweetest thing is that Yaks are no longer made of titanium. Their DM was tweaked along with the I-16, they even added it to the readme. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Thank God for this.

Christos, like you said I hope there are alot of servers with restricted planes. I love the 190A-9 but I wouldn't expect to see alot of these. I'll make the sacrifice if I have to and fly the Dora. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif My bravery is only surpassed by my modesty. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

As a note, the 108's in the wings don't seem to effect performance. Shhhhh! Don't tell anyone. It is only fair, we 190 guys are not allowed to remove our outer wing cannons on the A-4 and A-5 to imorove performance. Actually we get punished for it.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:30 AM
Please, dont tell me the 190 "fish flop" is back!!! That was one of the aspects I hated most in IL2. You get on a 190's 6, and they do a full yank into a instant spin, flop around like a fish out of water a bit, and then pull out of it on your 6. It was crazy! In MP games, people would fly at 80KPH with full flaps and 100M off the ground in a 190 and just flop around like a fish all the way back home. Please dont tell me that BS is back.


LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- the g10 are killers the dora movement and a few
- other 190s is crazy no one can hit you when stick
- yanking, unbias'd here for sure.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:20 AM
I dont think the MK108 should effect much, doesnt it weigh about the same? In any case, the 190 is easier to fly, but only easy if you know how to handle a plane like that. I wouldnt call it a newb plane yet, because its still only good for vertical fighting.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:26 AM
lbhskier37 wrote:
- I dont think the MK108 should effect much, doesnt it
- weigh about the same?

If that's true it will only make my A-9 vs D-9 decision more difficult.
How can you resist the power of the 30mm?
As for the 'fish flop' trick we'll have to hear from someone who used it in Il-2.


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:34 AM
Hey, Ivan!
I'm from Finland - I wanna be just as crazy as you and fight against own country.
So is it possible to fly as russians in campaign and bomb Finland? (gonna seek out the federal tax building in Helsinki...why not bomb the university as well - it's full of trash anyway)


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- day 1 in IL2 lol...go figure
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michapma
08-13-2003, 03:18 PM
I think the fish-flop trick Gib is referring to are the snap rolls, and I don't think they were absent before the patch?

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ZG77_Nagual
08-13-2003, 03:26 PM
For the record - I've b een flying 190s since il2 - I love the changes. At high speeds it is probably the best dogfighter in the simm. The la7 and yak3 both have pretty outrageous climbs - Last night I got into a long fight with an la7 - me in the a9 - I was defensive almost the entire time - I'd be vertical in a zoom climb still going 250k and see my opponent 1.2 k below me and gaining - he would consistently continue to gain and eventually pass me - I don't know about that - it's an awfully impressive sustained vertical climb. I was defensive for the whole fight - probably a good ten minutes - but finally managed to hang on the prop long enough to drop onto him and get some solid hits. After he bailed he complained about the flight models and left! Meanwhile I'm wiping the sweat off my joystick!.

Against yak3s I was able to turn with them until we got quite slow - then I went vertical - the yaks are twitchy.
So is the 190 though - you have to be very easy on the stick or she'll roll over. I would not call it a 'noob' plane - but I'll fly it whether it is or not - I earned it after all those fights in the a5 in il2 and fb 1.0.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:30 PM
Christos_swc wrote:
--190 A is a vertical beast now.
- It dives and zoom climbs so nice that it gains a lot
- more altitude while at it.
- It stall much easier too so it's an uber a/c as well
- as a proposition for an ace.
- Certainly not a noob plane.

I find it stalls less easy then before the patch, normally I never fly the FW190 because it stalled so easy in a turn but yesterday I picked the FW190A9 with 2xMK108 wing cannons and out turned, out dived and outclimbed nearly all other planes and killed with the first pass every time.

It rates very high on the noob plane table for me.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:43 PM
It depence on the settings Capp. In open view, icons, etc...yeah maybe. With all those features victory depending more on the suprize factor then on anything else IMO. Depence on the crowd too. I doubt that planes will be in this state for a long time. I`ll give it a month before final touches to the patch will be delivered to us. Probably they will be pluged into free add-on that Oleg was talking about.

As i said before...so far i am happy with changes...but only have 3 hours of flying time in the patched FB.

Some good comments here, keep them coming guys...always enjoying mature responces /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:49 PM
It's mostly about the quality of opposition, the people in the other cockpits. I've been flying the Dora online alot since yesterday. My first online session was good I felt I could own the world in my Dora. I have now had the chance to fly against experienced pilots, and they know their birds inside and out. And I got my b-tt handed to me on a couple of occations by 109's and La-7's.

The Fw is not a noob plane far from it! I's probably the hardest plane to be good in still.

She is worthless below 450km/h, she bleeds E like nothing else! For a noob she would be more than a handfull! Give it some time and I'm sure we'll see alot less 190's online in the future. Right now people are just riding the wave. If you're not BnZing or performing Hit'n run technics, you'll be dead in no time.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:49 PM
I only play on full real with speedbar settings if possible.

I don't care much for icons and one thing that bugs me even more then normal icons are the map icons.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:54 PM
Rgrt that Capp. The great element of surprize /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ... i am sure that twin 108 is the best tool for it LOL. I will try it tonight and see what she does


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:03 PM
I pretty much agree with your original post Ivan, my first impressions are that the patch is a big improvement though I haven't had time to do extensive testing(nobody has)

It always cracks me up when people who admit they've never really flown the FW190 extensively now instantly proclaim it the noob plane one day after the patch is released.


On the Moscow map the FW190A-9 rolls at ~90 deg/sec at 400mph. That's 4 seconds at 400mph. That's probably a half second too fast and ~8-10 degrees to much.

I guess that automatically qualifies it as a noob plane?


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:11 PM
It's my opinion and as far as I heard I can have one.

Just that you crack up about other people finding it a noob plane one day after the patch, that's your opinion and I respect that.

I am no noob to this game but I hardly flew the 190 in IL2 or FB until yesterday and as long as you hold your energy it's an easy plane to fight in, you don't have to mess with prop pitch, fuel mixture or cowl flaps.
All you have to do is manage the throttle and fly the plane.

If you have a problem with my opinion then it's your problem, not mine.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:15 PM
"it's an easy plane to fight in"

Kurt Tank designed the 190 exactly with this intention!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:18 PM
No problems here Cappadocian_317.


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:25 PM
FW190fan wrote:
- No problems here Cappadocian_317.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:26 PM
Sorry...I can appreciate some people having some issues with many of these planes pre-patch state. Yes the Hurricane seemed a little amazing before and FW wouldn't turn at all and so on and so forth but for anyone who doesn't have the patch yet...let me tell you that I have not seen a single uber plane manuver since the patch. I haven't played extensively either yet so that may change but in six hours of extensive online DM and a bit of offline, I've found several things to be true.

- the FW190 is no so called "n00b" plane, it requires a steady hand and a sensible approach to boom and zoom fighting, any pilot who pretends he's flying a turner and a burner will encounter a nasty stall (one mentioned historically by many pilots) straight into the ground
- the P47 cannot even try and match a FW190's turn rate or speed and nor should it, however, any pilot who tries to dive away from a P47 will be sorely reminded of the planes outstanding dive and zoom abilities and the 8 .50 cal machine guns that actually cause serious damage now will leave them with a reminder of what that plane can do
- the BF 109's are just as deadly flying machines in the right hands as they were before
- the P40 and P39 still have nasty stall characteristics like they should - treat them well and they will work for you, try and bank hard with no e and your in a flat spin
- the Hurricane, which had a few advantages before, still turns like crazy (like it was documented having) but don't try and climb or dive with a 109 or a 190

In general...the patch makes me feel that whatever pilot accounts from the war I've read, I can achieve that success using a bit of luck (as they had) and the same tactics as they used. I have not seen a single airplane that is dominant over the others on the DM servers...infact I see more planes being used now than ever before. The usual assorment of 109s, 190s, La's, Yaks of all types as well as alot more people flying the P-47.

My conclusion is that the patch, although not a perfect beast (nor will it ever be)...its a definately positive improvement (much to the contradiction of the naysayers out in the crowd) and has allowed for alot more diversity in the online battles and no doubt in the choices of offline players as well.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:30 PM
VW-IceFire, Very well put!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:35 PM
Some of you are claiming the Fw190 is turning with a Yak3. I don't know if this true, but if it is. It's not right. I also think the high speed roll of the Fw is to fast. We all know at this point that Oleg doesn't always get the FM's right. I'm not sure the Fw is as it should be now.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:39 PM
Having trouble getting the easy kills on the Fw now Buzz?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


BuzzU wrote:
- Some of you are claiming the Fw190 is turning with a
- Yak3. I don't know if this true, but if it is. It's
- not right. I also think the high speed roll of the
- Fw is to fast. We all know at this point that Oleg
- doesn't always get the FM's right. I'm not sure the
- Fw is as it should be now.
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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:45 PM
The instantaneous turnrate of the Fw is very good as it was in RL, but in a sustained turn fight with a Yak, you're dead before you know it, as in RL./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:49 PM
Milo,

Not at all. I just like to see all the FM's as accurate as possible.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:53 PM
Just funnin you Buzz./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

This place needs some humour, especially lately.


BuzzU wrote:
- Milo,
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- Not at all. I just like to see all the FM's as
- accurate as possible.
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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:03 PM
re: ZG_77 Naqual, at least one fight I had last night was with you, and we went for 10 mins or more. I don't recall muttering about the flight model, but I do recall saying "what a workout". You handled the 190 with skill and eventually ran me out of ammo. One of my more entertaining dogfights in a week or more. When it was over you must have sustained some damage as well but once I was empty it was over.

Salute!

Flyfish507

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:06 PM
As an unapologetic and confirmed butcher bird fan, I think Kyrule2 is dead on.

FW190a has even lighter controls, more effective machine guns and cannons and better speed overall. (I was in a 190f8 that just rocked after dropping the payload.)

The is 190a is much more nimble - I was doing left span spins and recovering quickly after a 360 degree rotation. Right snaps required a bit more recovery 540-720 degrees.

In the unpatched FB, snaps required a lot more recovery.

Also, I was able to turn with LaGGs and LAs for short periods of time. But not as a tactic - too much enegy bleed.

But after one night of testing and flying, I think that perhaps the damage modeling has been adjusted so that the FW is slightly easier to shoot down. Not a huge change, but I got killed a few more times than normal last night.

It could also just be me and getting used to the changes to my honey.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:14 PM
I think all the planes get more damage now. Gone are the days of cannons bouncing off you. If you get hit now in any plane. You get some kind of damage.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:25 PM
One other point, I don't understand complaints about the flight modeling of the 190. It's still a tough plane to fly and most ppl won't be patient or disciplined enough to fly it correctly.

Further, for their respective release dates, the different FW models were cutting edge designs. IMHO, if the 190s take over servers (which I doubt will happen), it might be because they have (as in real life) several technical advantages over their opponents, and not that the FB FM is overly uber.

I always thought it odd that most online FB LW pilots preferred the Bf109, which was widely observed to be an obselete design in real life.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:46 PM
Good points Rall, V!

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:05 PM
yes the fish flop is back and worse then ever gibbage, i think oleg made some of the 109s and 190s too good just to see if the people are german bias http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 12:49 AM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
By the way i like the new sound, i find it more real life-alike



What kind of sound card do you have Crazy ?

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 12:51 AM
My new sig belongs on this thread.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 12:57 AM
GREAT post i fly the 109s also seems to climb better and hold energy longer. THE cannon apears to have better aim and damage qualities. the turn rate seems to suffer some because of extra speed. Just more practice. thanks for tip on 3.6 drivers will reinstall them and see how works for me. Petrosky

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 03:14 AM
I don't understand people talking about the 190 turning too well. It turns well at high speeds as it should, at low speeds it still doesn't turn well. If you sustain a turn for any more than instant then you are flying the 190 wrong anyway. And I have seen people post that the Dora may be be the best plane in the game now as if they were complaining. The Dora, and the 190 overall, was considered by many to be the best fighter in WWII. It should be good, not the dog it was in 1.0. I still think the roll-rate may be a bit too fast noe but other than that I don't see a problem. And there is no-way the 190 is a noob plane, it may be one of the best planes (as it should), but it is not a noob plane.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 04:06 AM
Manos1 wrote:
- crazyivan1970 wrote:
- By the way i like the new sound, i find it more real
- life-alike
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- What kind of sound card do you have Crazy ?
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SB Audilgy X Gamer mate.

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