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invun
07-14-2004, 08:31 AM
The Bf-109G-6/U3 was a Bf-109G-6 ( and G-6Late) equipped with MW50 system which increased DB605's power by 300HPs and porvided stabilized power output at 20000 feets.
Though a 1943 aircraft, Bf-109G-6 was the most massly produced and was in service until the end of war. So I suppose Bf-109G-6/U3s were widly used in 1944 and 1945.
And another important Bf-109G, Bf-109G-14/AS, was a Bf-109G-14 with DB-605ASM engine. The G14/AS had greater number than G5/AS and G6/AS.
Will these two aircrafts be avaliable in the next patch? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[This message was edited by invun on Wed July 14 2004 at 07:41 AM.]

invun
07-14-2004, 08:31 AM
The Bf-109G-6/U3 was a Bf-109G-6 ( and G-6Late) equipped with MW50 system which increased DB605's power by 300HPs and porvided stabilized power output at 20000 feets.
Though a 1943 aircraft, Bf-109G-6 was the most massly produced and was in service until the end of war. So I suppose Bf-109G-6/U3s were widly used in 1944 and 1945.
And another important Bf-109G, Bf-109G-14/AS, was a Bf-109G-14 with DB-605ASM engine. The G14/AS had greater number than G5/AS and G6/AS.
Will these two aircrafts be avaliable in the next patch? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[This message was edited by invun on Wed July 14 2004 at 07:41 AM.]

JG54_Lukas
07-14-2004, 03:40 PM
The G-6/AS we currently have is actually a G-14/AS. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

butch2k
07-15-2004, 12:31 PM
G-6/U3 were recce versions, G-6/U2 were either using GM-1 or MW-50, in the latter case it required modifications of the system. 200 mod kits were ordered in April 1944 for modification of the existing /U2 aircraft.
The resulting aircraft being roughly equal to a G-14.

jagdmailer
07-15-2004, 01:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by invun:
The Bf-109G-6/U3 was a Bf-109G-6 ( and G-6Late) equipped with MW50 system which increased DB605's power by 300HPs and porvided stabilized power output at 20000 feets.
Though a 1943 aircraft, Bf-109G-6 was the most massly produced and was in service until the end of war. So I suppose Bf-109G-6/U3s were widly used in 1944 and 1945.
And another important Bf-109G, Bf-109G-14/AS, was a Bf-109G-14 with DB-605ASM engine. The G14/AS had greater number than G5/AS and G6/AS.
Will these two aircrafts be avaliable in the next patch? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[This message was edited by invun on Wed July 14 2004 at 07:41 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bf 109 G-14/AS with cowling type 90. A deeper oil cooler but the filler hatch still in the old place as well as the cold start device hatch on the opposite side, too

http://www.jiop.fi/ksimuseo/kuvat140903/Bf109G14asleft.gif

Jagd

jagdmailer
07-15-2004, 01:25 PM
Other side profile - prior Bf 109G-14/AS post: (sorry for the large pics)

Caption:

Please note the small differences on rudder counter weights. On later aircraft the trim tab can be a bit wider

http://www.jiop.fi/ksimuseo/Bf109G14right_80.gif

Jagd

invun
07-15-2004, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by butch2k:
G-6/U3 were recce versions, G-6/U2 were either using GM-1 or MW-50, in the latter case it required modifications of the system. 200 mod kits were ordered in April 1944 for modification of the existing /U2 aircraft.
The resulting aircraft being roughly equal to a G-14.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
G-6/U3 was NOT recce version, the recce version was G-8.
G-6/U3 was using MW-50, while G-6/U2 using GM-1.
And G-6/U4 was equipped with MK108, which we already have http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

butch2k
07-16-2004, 02:39 AM
The 30 or so G-6/U3 produced were G-6 airframes modified to recce purposes the modification was later serialized which gave birth to the G-8 version. The aircraft ending up in various short range recce units zlong with a few G-4/U3.

The G-6/U2 was originaly using GM-1, but following the lack of high altitude interception and the need for better mid-level perfomances the GM-1 systems were modified. The modification were made at reparation centers and did not result in a change of designation.

Magister__Ludi
07-16-2004, 09:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by butch2k:
The 30 or so G-6/U3 produced were G-6 airframes modified to recce purposes the modification was later serialized which gave birth to the G-8 version. The aircraft ending up in various short range recce units zlong with a few G-4/U3.

The G-6/U2 was originaly using GM-1, but following the lack of high altitude interception and the need for better mid-level perfomances the GM-1 systems were modified. The modification were made at reparation centers and did not result in a change of designation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


There were at least 200 G-6/U3 but they were indeed produced and used as recce aircrafts. NAGr 2, 5, 11, 12, 14 were equipped with them. G-6/U3, like G-6/U2 were available from late autumn 1943.

What I'm interested in is when the conversion to MW-50 happened. Did it happen in late '43 or early '44? Also I did not found yet a certain date for the initial availability of DB-605AM and DB-605AS equipped 109s.

jagdmailer
07-16-2004, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magister__Ludi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by butch2k:
The 30 or so G-6/U3 produced were G-6 airframes modified to recce purposes the modification was later serialized which gave birth to the G-8 version. The aircraft ending up in various short range recce units zlong with a few G-4/U3.

The G-6/U2 was originaly using GM-1, but following the lack of high altitude interception and the need for better mid-level perfomances the GM-1 systems were modified. The modification were made at reparation centers and did not result in a change of designation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


There were at least 200 G-6/U3 but they were indeed produced and used as recce aircrafts. NAGr 2, 5, 11, 12, 14 were equipped with them. G-6/U3, like G-6/U2 were available from late autumn 1943.

What I'm interested in is when the conversion to MW-50 happened. Did it happen in late '43 or early '44? Also I did not found yet a certain date for the initial availability of DB-605AM and DB-605AS equipped 109s.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Magister,

Butch2K said that production of Bf 109G-6/U2 (with original GM-1 apparatus) started at Erla in November 1943 & was sustained through & until August 1944.

He also said that the order to modify most of those GM-1 equipped G-6s to MW-50 use was given in April 1944 and that 200 mod kits were ordered at that time. Convertion was carried out in advanced repair centers.

Late production (after April 1944?) G-6/U2 were manufactured with the MW-50 light allow tank and apparatus directly at the factory.

Additionally, (still according to Butch2K) early-mid 1944, 273 existing airframes (probably damaged aircraft returning to repair depot) were converted to G-6/AS/U2 standards, either with GM-1 or MW-50 once the convertion order to MW-50 was given in April 1944. Probably most if not all of the G-6/AS/U2 were converted eventually to MW-50, as only several of the pressurized G-5/AS/U2 were kept with GM-1 for very high altitude recce interception duties.

http://www.jiop.fi/ksimuseo/bf109g6side2_62.jpg
Caption from diagram:

Bf 109 G-6 modified from GM-1 to MW-50 power boost. Please note an extra hatch under the filler hatch between fuselage frames 3 and 4. The small bulge more under the MG 131 bulge is for the cockpit air compressor of the G-5 version; as is the small air intake on MG 131 bulge, too. A part of the air vent is for the generator cooling. These features are also very common in the unpressurized G-6s and G-14s.


Jagd

butch2k
07-16-2004, 11:43 AM
I'm curious about those 200 G-6/U3, the various production data i have in form of daily delivery reports and planned delivery show 30 or so G-6/U3 only. It's possible that some of them were refactored from existing G-6 airframe at repair depots but i haven't seen anything to confirm this.
Any first hand information would be welcome.

Magister__Ludi
07-16-2004, 01:00 PM
Sure, here are some links:

http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/b1nagr2.html
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/b1nagr5.html
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/b2nagr5.html
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/b1nagr11.html
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/b2nagr11.html
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/b3nagr11.html
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/b1nagr12.html
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/b1nagr14.html
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/b2nagr14.html

I counted the new builts only in the above links and the result is 116 (+/-2)

I counted for the links above (in order):

16+
17
18
10
11
7
21
15
1

maybe this way it is easier to verify the results.

There were also 14 G-6/U3 in Stabs of those NAGrs. So around 130 G-6/U3 in total.

[This message was edited by Magister__Ludi on Fri July 16 2004 at 12:34 PM.]

jagdmailer
07-19-2004, 10:33 AM
Bump!

Jagd

jagdmailer
07-27-2004, 01:52 PM
BUMP

Jagd

NN_EnigmuS
07-27-2004, 03:34 PM
i will be pleased to see a Bf109G6/U2/u3 and some Fw190A8 with Mw50 for a correct normandy scenar i ve seen that some unit like jg2 had U2/3 and don't understand why we haven't mw50 in late anton because all sources i have said chart with mw50 lol

http://www.nnavirex.com/public/enigmus.gif

jagdmailer
07-30-2004, 11:41 AM
Bump.

jagd