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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 07:59 PM
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09-05-2003, 07:59 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:22 PM
totally agreed some german plane are needed and not the 109 Z lol

-the stuka D5
-bf109 K14(?)
-fw D11,D12
-improved the loadout for all plane
-Pe 2

very pleased to see the P38 finish it will be cool with mustang B/C/D and B17 as Ai

for free addon hope the Ta152H,Iar80/81,Me163,Hs162 and mustang B/C/D

pleased to see tempest and all historical plane but a prototype like 109 Z didn t serve at nothing lol not like the Do335 and The Horten or even the P80 lol but the 109 Z lol

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:47 PM
If asking for planes we need, what about more flyable as used by the Finnish airforce, and a 1940 winter war start

Gladiator
Fokker DXXI including locally built variant
MS406 in all its forms
Blenhiem
Do 17Z
Myrsky II
Hawk 75
Fiat G50


Then a fully operation Romanian airforce

PZL P11
PZL P24
PZL P23
IAR 80 family
Blenhiem
PZL P43
He 112

For nthe Hungarians

Fiat CR42
Re 2000 ( all sorts)
Me210


Then an Italian contingent

MC200
MC202


This is an Eastern front game - lets get the whole thing!

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:52 PM
if you dont want it dont fly it

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09-05-2003, 09:02 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:03 PM
The modellers decide what they want to build. There are a few interesting "what if scenarios", especially Luft 46.

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:17 PM
CO_Eagle_31stFG wrote:
- I never have understood why people want aircraft
- that simply were not used. I saw in the development
- area where in a future release they are making a
- 109Z what's the point.
- Here is the history of that plane.
-
- The Me 109Z was to use around 90% of pre-existing
- 109 parts, with only the new main wing and
- tailplane, modified landing gear mountings, slightly
- larger wheels, extra fuel tanks in place of the
- starboard cockpit and a few other components needed
- to complete the aircraft. A prototype was completed
- in early 1943, but it was damaged in an Allied air
- attack on the Messerschmitt test center, and the
- damage was deemed too severe for repair. The
- development was abandoned in 1944.
-
- In short if this gets added it will be totally
- fictional. As it was NEVER put into service heck it
- never made it thru testing.
-
-
-



So where will the FM come from? Oleg has refused before to include a/c that have no existing data, either in FM or cockpit, so I don't think that we're ever going to see it in FB.

At least there won't be any 'under/over-modelled roll rate wars', because it seems that no sod knows for sure.
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:35 PM
I think the 109Z will be an interesting and useful plane, even if not historically accurate.

My only beef is with 1% planes than have no use at all. Like the Bi-1. Too fast for a fighter, too poorly armed for an interceptor. But if u like that kind of thing, all power to you.

At least 109Z will be good as a zestorer.

As for the FM, you just take the FM for the 109G, and multiply everything by 2 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif SL top speed of 1000km/h, climb to 3000m in 60 seconds.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:42 PM
If you want those planes in the game - then learn how to make them. Buy the software, acquire expertise in making 3-d models to Oleg's standard, and then make whatever you want.


But if you don't like what other modellers have made, then don't fly them. But don't stand around saying "we don't need this" or "that shouldn't be in the game." Because that's just rude and ungracious to the people who donate their time and talent to this game.



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:43 PM
IJG54_Nowi wrote:
- The modellers decide what they want to build. There
- are a few interesting "what if scenarios",
- especially Luft 46.

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09-05-2003, 09:49 PM
If thats the case I will take a P-47M please /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:06 PM
yah...bring in the Focke-Wulf Fw Ta 400 Heavy Bomber..

give me the control of that plane ..lol..


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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:23 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:30 PM
Get 3DS Studio Max and model all of the planes that seem to make your life imcomlete at the moment. Or just chill oput, get a beer/coffe and think about something esle than computer games for a while.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:55 PM
NN_EnigmuS wrote:
- totally agreed some german plane are needed and not
- the 109 Z lol
-
--the stuka D5
--bf109 K14(?)
--fw D11,D12

K14!! K14!!

As for topic.. people are doing it for fun...you can`t make them to do something that they are not interested in...i guess. I will appriciate any work from any 3d designer. Alot of planes were reserved by different people and some of the, pretty important ones were abandoned...sad but true.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:50 PM
-
- I guess I'm rude and Ungracious then, perhaps if
- they donated their time to making planes that
- actually served in WW2 I would be more
- understanding.

Yes, I'd say you are. You are not entitled to decide whether to be "understanding" or not. You have given up absolutely nothing in return for these planes. The day you actually do more than wag your tongue is the day you get to say to someone "model something else."

Not before.



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09-06-2003, 12:10 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 12:20 AM
Umm...sorry, look who's talking...

I understand if you are a great fan of historical equipment and prefer not to fly fictitious scenarios. But to make all sorts of derogative ridiculous "UFO/crayon with wings" hyperbole towards people who take their free time to work on these sort of things is just plain bad. You want operational planes? Do them yourself. Me, I'll fly anything as long as it's modeled accurately. If there wasn't any accurate data on the 109Z, it won't be an Il-2 flyable and I won't waste any tears. But if the resources exist to make it possible, I say GO FOR IT and support those who try.

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 03:22 AM
CO_Eagle_31stFG wrote:
- LOL what a jerk
- perhaps you should post your tongue wags somewhere
- else.
- You must be a supporter of 3rd party rubbish like
- that that was brought into cfs2 which ruined the
- game.
-
-

You dimbulb.


You are conflating two completely different issues. If you really think that Oleg & Co. will let bad FMs and DMs in ("rubbish," as you put it), then what the hell are you doing with this game in the first place?

Or do you really believe that despite all he's said about controls, and demanding quality from the 3rd-party people, he's just going to look away?


You're just a spoilt little brat who thinks he's entitled to whine over someone else's gift to the community. And when you are shown to be wrong, you pull some excuse out of your butt.


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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 03:58 AM
I think the 109Z is either going to be a ground model, or only avaliable in the Luft '45 expansion that has been talked about. Several of the candidate aircraft for that project invole partially speculative flight models already.

As for the Fokker D.XXI non-inclusion, I understand there is a bit of a messy story behind that, however I do not know the details.

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 06:03 AM
Honestly I'm looking forward to some of these aircraft. Many of these haven't been featured in a flight sim in some time, like SWOTL (ahh a touch of nastalgia here). There are so many aircraft that could be featured, and there are only so many people out there that have the intuition to model them. There are many planes I would like to see also, but I'm not here on these forums complaining. Keep in mind that these planes are coming to you FREE and consist of a lot of time put in on the modeler's part. Nobody said they had to do these planes, so if you want a plane put in, grab the software, learn how to program and model and get your favorites in here. I would rather have these planes free than buy add ons like Microsoft Flight Simulator has done in the past.

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 06:48 AM
Yes can I have the P-47 M and N, and also I would like the P-51 H and K, with the P-82 as dessert. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif The more planes the better IMO. I am interested in seeing what they do for the Luft45 add-on personally.
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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 06:51 AM
Or the Republic P-72... Or the Curtiss P-62 (8 20mm, would have been in production to if the AAF hadn't found out it would impact P-47 production)), or the Lockheed P-58 "Chainlightning"...

Of course these aircraft where all designed, built, flown, tested and even some of the prototypes served as V-1 interceptors so we can't put them in, their grounded in too much fact.

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 04:03 PM
The P-47M and N both saw service during WWII.

The P-47M wasn't extensively used because of engine problems later traced to improper usage of the supercharger controls for the new CH-5 turbine driven compressor.

The P-47N, however did see extensive service in the Pacific campain escorting B-29 on long raids over the Japanese mainland, with over 1000 being delivered before the end of the war. The first 24 had already been delivered by the end of 1944, so it served in at least squadron strength before the end of the war, and the aircraft was flown by at least two "instant" aces (pilots who scored their first five kills on a single mission).

The P-47N became forgotten mostly because by the time it saw action, Japan was already clearly in its waning days, and we had no need for superplanes anymore.

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09-06-2003, 04:15 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 06:25 PM
i think that insterad of rocket planess and stuffthe 110 and other heavy fighters should be put in but thats just my 2c worth

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 07:27 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 07:45 PM
look, you say icarus is an idiot, then you say stop making childish remarks, i sense i double standard here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

-anyway, these people are doin it because they want to, you are getting them free, and it adds interest to this simulator (not that its boring)

-im sure online there will be 'no 1946' servers so you will be happy, if you dont like it dont fly it, but that strikes me a seriously childish just because its not strictly historical you dont wanna fly it? i would jump at the chance to fly it in FB, in the same way i am excited about the P38, Mustang, both zeros, Ta 152, Ki84, bristol beaufighter, F4U, A20(glazed and hard nose variants) and many more besides.

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09-06-2003, 10:21 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 10:31 PM
well it does belong, and anyway it will be in the sim, it would be a much greater shame if this plane's development was abandoned

and the zestorer 109 did fly in prototype form i believe

- and 'develop' has ne 'e' in it


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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 10:31 PM
I totaly agree iwth Co_eagle, if the plane never flew how do developers know its behavior in air, maybe the plane simply could never fly, seems to me like developers are starting to use their imagination. And we dont'want this do we?

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 10:39 PM
I have decided to remove all my posts as a few people only want to use this string as a joke. I originally meant it to be a serious string, however it seems some kids got involved and made a mockery of it.

To those not involved my appologies.


BTW Bob it never flew at all. I have done my homework on this



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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 10:51 PM
we arent joking, you just seem to ignore the hard efforts of people, who are giving up their spare time for free. and discount their good work just because the plane is out of the ww2 time frame, but would fit perfectly in the 1946 addon.

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 10:56 PM
Who cares if it never flew!? I want to fly it! Whatever it is.....

I aint a pimp no mo. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 11:02 PM
Fictional planes hold no interest for me at all. When I fly in FB I feel like a part of history being played out, but seeing planes like the Go.229 and 109Z I feel like inserting a quarter into my computer. I didn't purchase the latest BF-1942 expansion for this same reason. I think the "secret weapons" type thing has been done before and there is already another game in the works dealing with the same thing. I don't think the interest is there when compared to other historical campaigns either.

Having said that the 3rd party modellers can work on whatever they damn well please and I appreciate their effort. I just think it is unfortunate that we have planes like the Go.229 and 109Z either being worked on or done, yet there is no plans for planes like the Typhoon and Mosquito. I hope Oleg isn't planning a "what if" themed expansion, that would be a bad decision concerning the utilization of resources IMHO. But I fear this is probably the direction they will go because they could use the maps already created and make scenerios in the same manner (giving them the most bang for their buck). I just think there is so much left uncovered that doing a fantasy type add-on would be a big let-down. And I am not very optimistic that even half the planes currently in the works will ever make it into FB. But this is just my opinion and I am sure others feel differently. I just wanted to make my voice heard but at this point whatever will be, will be.

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 11:12 PM
Hey pal, the 229 flew. But it crashed.

I aint a pimp no mo. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 11:31 PM
Didn't discredit their work I just think it should go elsewhere, another sim perhaps. It simply has no place here.

and as for another post you made I never remarked that some planes you listed should not be here. Those that did infact fly and participate in the war I agree could be allowed, such as the P38, spitfire, and a others that were there.

I am simply stating that planes that did not fly in the war should be left out. the 109z definately fits this category, it never flew. The prototype was destroyed before it ever flew and that project was disbanned after that, due to the upcomming 262 projects. Hence there is absolutely no flight data for this plane.

As for allied I will also say the p82 should be left out as it never participated in WW2 it was still in development and testing phases. It was too late for the war but did enter service afterwards, however I have not seen anything stating the P82 for this sim.


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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 11:35 PM
Arent they making a post war add-on?

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XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 11:36 PM
I'm only aware of Luft'46....

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 02:04 AM
kyrule2 wrote:
- Fictional planes hold no interest for me at all.
- When I fly in FB I feel like a part of history being
- played out, but seeing planes like the Go.229 and
- 109Z I feel like inserting a quarter into my
- computer. I didn't purchase the latest BF-1942
- expansion for this same reason. I think the "secret
- weapons" type thing has been done before and there
- is already another game in the works dealing with
- the same thing. I don't think the interest is there
- when compared to other historical campaigns either.
-
- Having said that the 3rd party modellers can work on
- whatever they damn well please and I appreciate
- their effort. I just think it is unfortunate that we
- have planes like the Go.229 and 109Z either being
- worked on or done, yet there is no plans for planes
- like the Typhoon and Mosquito. I hope Oleg isn't
- planning a "what if" themed expansion, that would be
- a bad decision concerning the utilization of
- resources IMHO. But I fear this is probably the
- direction they will go because they could use the
- maps already created and make scenerios in the same
- manner (giving them the most bang for their buck). I
- just think there is so much left uncovered that
- doing a fantasy type add-on would be a big let-down.
- And I am not very optimistic that even half the
- planes currently in the works will ever make it into
- FB. But this is just my opinion and I am sure others
- feel differently. I just wanted to make my voice
- heard but at this point whatever will be, will be.
-

Look at it this way, kyrule:

At worst, you are no better off than before. You don't have planes you would like to have, but others maybe get to fly planes they enjoy. Nobody is forced to fly a plane he doesn't want. Servers can restrict plane sets, offline clearly the choice is the player's.

So if the worst possible scenario does no harm, then it's worth at least considering. Now imagine if you are interested in the Gotha, or something. For you, it's a "yay!" situation. You're better off, and nobody else is any worse off.

How can that be bad?

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 02:11 AM
Duhhh yeah MA

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 05:49 AM
Icarus999 wrote:

So if the worst possible scenario does no harm, then
- it's worth at least considering. Now imagine if you
- are interested in the Gotha, or something. For you,
- it's a "yay!" situation. You're better off, and
- nobody else is any worse off.
-
- How can that be bad?

Don't get me wrong, I never said it would be bad for the game, just a bad decision (for the reasons I mentioned) for 1C/Maddox IMHO. Like I said, any 3rd party modeller has the right to do whatever they want and I respect their work. I just think it is unfortunate that certain planes are not even planned and that many of the ones that are will likely never make it into the game. I'm just saying that the "what if" theme is not my thing. I'm sure those who do enjoy this type of thing are happy. I'm just posting my opinon, that's all.

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 04:55 PM
Come on just give us a P4-M: Topspeed=470, Horsepower=2800, Climb ft/min 3500, Ceiling 40000 ft. LOL Luftwhiners barely stand a chance with the P-47D imagine if we got this bird /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 01:20 PM
WHY? Is right. There are so many aircraft we still need that were used during WW2.

Maybe we outta just poke in the Jets from the Korean War as well. After-all they were used in that part of the World with just a few years of separation.

I appreciate the efforts of the designers of the various aircraft, but it's got to be a vain endeavor to develop aircraft that have NO application in the WW2 war theatre.

MSFT has a few sims for that...Crimsom Sky, and CFS3 LOL

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 01:31 PM
I have no idea what AC are planned for the release - does anyone?

Additionally, I have no idea what will be free or addon?

What will be flyable vs. nonflyable?

It's confusing - granted, I see screenshots every week, but not sure what we are getting

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 01:35 PM
Because 3rd party developers, ones that Maddox has NO CONTROL over. Want to make the planes they want to make. It's that simple. If you don't want it, don't fly it.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 09:55 PM
Let's face it. This is just one of those kinds of threads that goes nowhere anyway...LOL

I could care less, myself, what someone wants to design, develop, etc.

I must have responded, because I wasn't doing what I should have been...anything away from the computer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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