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LonehawkNZ
05-15-2004, 09:42 AM
What if the war had dragged on till '46 or even '47 ? Potential combat use of late war designs which never arrived in theatre in time, early 50's designs arriving earlier or just wider deployment of existing late war combat jets ?

My faves for inclusion in a future patch:

1. Gloster Meteor
2. de Havilland Vampire
3. Arado Ar234 Blitz
4. Bachem Ba349 Natter Rocket Fighter
5. MiG-9 'Fargo' or Yak-15 'Feather'
6. F9F Panther or F2H Banshee
7. F-86 & Mig-15 as an unrealistic 'what if' package

Sounds good to me.

What are your thoughts?

LonehawkNZ
05-15-2004, 09:42 AM
What if the war had dragged on till '46 or even '47 ? Potential combat use of late war designs which never arrived in theatre in time, early 50's designs arriving earlier or just wider deployment of existing late war combat jets ?

My faves for inclusion in a future patch:

1. Gloster Meteor
2. de Havilland Vampire
3. Arado Ar234 Blitz
4. Bachem Ba349 Natter Rocket Fighter
5. MiG-9 'Fargo' or Yak-15 'Feather'
6. F9F Panther or F2H Banshee
7. F-86 & Mig-15 as an unrealistic 'what if' package

Sounds good to me.

What are your thoughts?

Maple_Tiger
05-15-2004, 09:48 AM
I would like to see the

Avro Arrow.

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BaldieJr
05-15-2004, 09:52 AM
I would like to see all AI flyable rather than a bunch of what-if ****.

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p1ngu666
05-15-2004, 10:17 AM
baldie, u mean biplanes and **** planes? think u onto something http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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arcadeace
05-15-2004, 10:44 AM
No more sucky jets, its not the Korean war http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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lkemling
05-15-2004, 10:52 AM
As for Allied aircraft I would go no further than the Gloster meteor and the Bell P59B Airacomet. As said this is not a Korean war flight sim.
Any thing newer is just plane unrealistic!!

BlitzPig_DDT
05-15-2004, 10:58 AM
Much as it would kick *** to have the F9F in a cool sim (I mean, it is a Grumman 'Cat afterall. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif ) it's way too overboard for this series.

Oleg has stated up to and included '46. That's it.

Within those confines, I want everything, all the jets, all the props, all the prototypes, all of it.

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Haaskalintu
05-15-2004, 11:01 AM
none

One13
05-15-2004, 11:10 AM
I think its obvious what I would like to see...

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Jaws2002
05-15-2004, 11:15 AM
Nooooo bloody Jets. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

lil_labbit
05-15-2004, 11:17 AM
I'm with Maple_Tiger

Avro Arrow http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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hotspace
05-15-2004, 11:24 AM
Except for the Gloster Meteor and the Arado Ar234 Blitz, I would like to see more Late-War Prop Planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Dunkelgrun
05-15-2004, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hotspace:
Except for the Gloster Meteor and the Arado Ar234 Blitz, I would like to see more Late-War Prop Planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hot Space

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My thoughts exactly, but I'd really like all of the other piston-engined aircraft first. Let's start with everything pre-war still flying in 1939 and work our way through. It could be an awesome long time before we get to the last jets http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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heywooood
05-15-2004, 11:39 AM
Ar234 absolutely.

masamainio
05-15-2004, 01:01 PM
http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/air/su/poli/05116.jpg

Polikarpov I-153 with DM-4 ramjets

http://aircraft.host.sk/jet/I-153-01_small.jpg

http://aircraft.host.sk/jet/I-153DM-4_draw_small.gif

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heywooood
05-15-2004, 01:15 PM
would that be referred to as 'Uber-cr/\p'..

just what the uberplane crowd needs..

an ubercr/\p plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Red_Russian13
05-15-2004, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Much as it would kick *** to have the F9F in a cool sim (I mean, it _is_ a Grumman 'Cat afterall. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif ) it's way too overboard for this series.

Oleg has stated up to and included '46. That's it.

Within those confines, I want everything, all the jets, all the props, all the prototypes, all of it.

http://operationcarepackage.org/ddtsig.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree! If given the opportunity, I would take it all. I'll fly anything and everything within those confines. If I want other stuff, I'll buy a new sim. But Blitzpig DDT's onto exactly what I'm talking about.

Red Russian

Arm_slinger
05-15-2004, 01:49 PM
Any jet that did see a bit of combat, and not ones were in development, hmmm what does that sound like to me

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WUAF_Badsight
05-15-2004, 03:12 PM
the MiG-9

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3790/mig9.jpg


http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8030/mig9_1.jpg


http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8481/mig-9_2.jpg

mortoma
05-15-2004, 03:31 PM
How about zero, zilch, nada, none?? The next thing you'll ask how many want the Star Wars X-fighter in AEP.

WUAF_Badsight
05-15-2004, 03:46 PM
whats your problem ?

Jet Inadequacy Deficiency ?

if you never realised this before .......... 1946 planes were ALWAYS going to be welcomed into this game by the makers if someone modeled them

CAP401
05-15-2004, 05:10 PM
That sounds good. How about we add in an F-14 for the fun of it. I know! We'll add in some spacefighters from the year 3021 in case hitler is reincarnated as an evil robot! I'm sorry to be so sarcastic, but this '47 and beyond sh*t is just, IMO, stupid and disgracful. We're already pushing it with the P-80. Why would you want WWII to go on longer then it did? There was enough bloodshed during the 6 years it went on in reallife.

Charos
05-15-2004, 05:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
How about zero, zilch, nada, none?? The next thing you'll ask how many want the Star Wars X-fighter in AEP.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damnit I been playing IL2 for EVA and STILL Have'nt UNLOCKED the XWING and TIE Fighter YET.

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Red_Russian13
05-15-2004, 05:29 PM
Take it easy. The guy was asking a simple question, and I don't think he needs to be chastised.

I don't necessarily agree with the inclusion of things from "'47 and beyond" as CAP401 so eloquently said. But I see nothing wrong with including planes that were in their final stages of development by the end of the war. I think they would be interesting to fly. The comment about the X-Fighter and the F-14 were a bit off-base. He didn't mention in his post anything about spacecraft or WANTING WWII to go longer than it did. I don't see how a flight sim has anything to do with there being enough bloodshed. Including some obscure planes that were in development does not in any way miraculously increase the lenght of a war fought sixty years ago. Nor does it some how transport you to 1944, into the cockpit of a Bf-109, shooting down B-17s over Germany. It's a GAME...a SIMULATOR, if you prefer. Not reality, no matter how close it may come to replicating real situations and physical models.

Give the guy a break. A simple, "I wouldn't like to see it" would do. Besides, as Badsight said, 1946 planes will always be welcomed...just not by everyone. If you don't like them, don't fly them, and ban them on your servers!

Red Russian

mortoma
05-15-2004, 05:39 PM
Well the Arado AR-234 ( or whatever it ) was would be ok I suppose. They did use it some but mostly recon. But that's about all I would tolerate at this point.

darkhorizon11
05-15-2004, 07:25 PM
"That sounds good. How about we add in an F-14 for the fun of it. I know! We'll add in some spacefighters from the year 3021 in case hitler is reincarnated as an evil robot! I'm sorry to be so sarcastic, but this '47 and beyond sh*t is just, IMO, stupid and disgracful. We're already pushing it with the P-80. Why would you want WWII to go on longer then it did? There was enough bloodshed during the 6 years it went on in reallife."

Hmmm....yeah theres way to much bloodshed thats bad its not like this sim has anything to do with blood so MORE BLOOD=BAD.

Though I do agree that anything past mid-1946 is pure speculation (for the German side). Modeling realistic FM and all that would be impossible. For the record the Natter only flew once and it was out of pure desperation. Realistically if Germany wasn't so desperate, well, they probably never would have used it. Same goes for the Me 163, it was just a test plane at first.

I agree with hotspace the only other jets were lacking are the Meteor and the Blitz. After that...gimme some more props to shoot down in my 262! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

InyerEye
05-15-2004, 08:23 PM
I'm satisfied with jets we have.
I just want that HS129 tank buster.

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Skarp-Hedin
05-15-2004, 08:51 PM
I like these planes more because they look kick *** and they kick *** http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=38610606&m=42610647&p=65

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LonehawkNZ
05-16-2004, 05:56 AM
Whoah! OK, no jets... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

To be fair, many of the late 40's jets would have come into play much sooner if the war had lasted. Some of the ones mentioned were HEAVILY influenced by captured Luftwaffe pieces so fair enough, that might not have happened. But the Blitz was in AOE...! The MiG-9 definitely possible...! Meteor would be great!

That would do me.

And OK, if we could have ANYTHING! Then a jet wouldn't be my first choice. Something from the 30's, something like Akron, Macon & Shenandoah fitted with recoverable Sparrowhawk's (a bit like the SPB Zveno).

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Vladimir_No2
05-16-2004, 12:46 PM
How about before more jets get added someone does some aircraft that might have seen just a little more service in WW2 like perhaps a Pe-2 or a Ju-88. Just a thought...

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Friendly_flyer
05-16-2004, 01:30 PM
I must say I agree vith Vladimir. The litle salamander is a delight to fly, but if I had to choose, I would rather see more prop-planes.

Fly friendly!

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ElektroFredrik
05-16-2004, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
What if hitler had never been born? Lets fly that sim instead! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
[/code]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That sim already exists. It's called Corncob3D.
In that hitler was killed at age of 20 but in the late 1940's
aliens came to take over the world and wipe out the humans.
And you have to take your trusty F4 Corsair and fight off
those evil flying saucers. It's actually a good sim considering
it was made in '94 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


Back to topic. I'd like to see Vampire, Meteor, more
me-262 variants and the Ar-234. And those
pulsejet-powered He-162s.

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FliegerAas
05-16-2004, 02:13 PM
That one: Messerschmitt P1101
http://oldwolf.myrice.com/ww2aircraft/images/Me%20P1101-21.jpg

http://oldwolf.myrice.com/ww2aircraft/images/Me%20P1101-18.jpg

And the USA stole it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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VW-IceFire
05-16-2004, 03:30 PM
Just want to see the only Allied jet to see any sort of real combat over Europe or anywhere else.

The Gloster Meteor Mark III. Shot down V1's and did ground attack. Never met the Luftwaffe but thats what the 1946 scenario is about.

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LonehawkNZ
05-17-2004, 12:36 PM
OK. If we're talking late war or (only-just) post-war props which could've made it in '46 then I reckon these have got to be the final word:

Brits: Blackburn Firebrand (oooh yes!) and the Hawker Fury/Sea Fury or perhaps even the Martin-Baker MB5
US: P-75 Eagle and the Bearcat
Germans: it's just gotta be the Do-335, plus one of the "America Bomber" designs.
Russians: La-9 & La-11

Excellent. I'd pay decent cash for an expansion with those kinds of planes in...!

Magister__Ludi
05-17-2004, 01:35 PM
Ar-234 would be a blast. Too bad nobody is modelling it.

MrOblongo
05-17-2004, 01:47 PM
Just give me the ones that REALLY flew in WW2.

Ar234!!!!
Gloster Meteor (Even just for V1 intercept)
He 280

And of Course a Do335!!! (Not a jet but better than allied **** ... and nicer !! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif)
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