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Chuck_Older
03-31-2004, 03:20 PM
Don't be.
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This happens. When Aces over Europe came out, I thought it was the best thing, ever. "Oooo, I can choose a color for my P-51's nose?!" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Even though I had to run Win 3.1 in DOS, and fool the PC into using it's shadow RAM to do it, I loved that sim. Yes, it was a sim at the time, nothing available on home PC was better.

When that 486SX PC became well past obsolete, I was running Win 95. No more Aces over Europe! The windows shell simply made it too difficult to get it to work.

As years passed, I got Red baron II, and then Il*2, then FB.

Now we are hearing about BoB and Pacific Fighters and I am reading many players expressing concern over the welfare of FB....why, exactly?

Technology improves. Time moves on. We will have much better sims than FB, in the future.

Many people have contributed to the FB 'world'. Skinners, 3rd party modellers, and campaign and mission authors to name some. Their work isn't going to dry up overnight. Yes, one day FB will not be the flight sim you play. It is inevitable. You cannot escape it, it will happen. Do not be shocked and horrified by this, it is progress. FB will not stop working because it is a sim that isn't being worked on by a huge number of people anymore. As time goes by, no-one will make FB 'add-ons' anymore at all. This too will happen.

But consider this: I play a racing sim called Grand Prix Legends. It came out in 1998, and it is still wildly popular online and offline. the community did not shatter and focus on the 'next big thing'....yet. It will happen some day, though, without question.

The sky is not falling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The vast majority of players will, by the time BoB comes out, make the transition to BoB, and that is good.

Why?

FB has several limitations, which you surely must know. Yes, it is a fine product. But- maps are wrong, maps are only sized for tactical missions, not strategic missions, the maps are 'closed' by which I mean you cannot fly from one to another, you fly off the 'edge' of the map. that's just for starters.

Do you people really want to always have that limitation, and others? I do not, without question, want to have 'the best' PC flight sim with these limitations.

AI problems, DM problems, FM problems...shall I go on? I am not bashing FB, I like it very much, it is 'the best' right now. But that will change. And the change will be for the better.

Who knows? In the future, you may have BoB and a 'new' FB on your hard-drives, in the manner of GPL- an 'old' program that is continually improved by the community.

But even if we don't get that, there is no reason the run and tell the King that something fell on your head, just yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


In the meantime, I must finish my "Battle over Britain" campaign, so I'll have fun regardless. I may even download a campaign generator tonight. Nope, I'm not going to miss FB when I have something vastly superior, and given Oleg and Co's track record with FB, in my opinion they have more than a fair chance of providing that vastly superior product.

And I'll still have FB in any case. Have fun, play the game, and look forward to better things. Some folks here are looking at this as FB's funeral, which is flippin Loco, Siscohttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif Wait till the body's dead and cold, people!

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Wave bub-bub-bub-bye to the boss, it's your profit, it's his loss~ Clash

Chuck_Older
03-31-2004, 03:20 PM
Don't be.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This happens. When Aces over Europe came out, I thought it was the best thing, ever. "Oooo, I can choose a color for my P-51's nose?!" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Even though I had to run Win 3.1 in DOS, and fool the PC into using it's shadow RAM to do it, I loved that sim. Yes, it was a sim at the time, nothing available on home PC was better.

When that 486SX PC became well past obsolete, I was running Win 95. No more Aces over Europe! The windows shell simply made it too difficult to get it to work.

As years passed, I got Red baron II, and then Il*2, then FB.

Now we are hearing about BoB and Pacific Fighters and I am reading many players expressing concern over the welfare of FB....why, exactly?

Technology improves. Time moves on. We will have much better sims than FB, in the future.

Many people have contributed to the FB 'world'. Skinners, 3rd party modellers, and campaign and mission authors to name some. Their work isn't going to dry up overnight. Yes, one day FB will not be the flight sim you play. It is inevitable. You cannot escape it, it will happen. Do not be shocked and horrified by this, it is progress. FB will not stop working because it is a sim that isn't being worked on by a huge number of people anymore. As time goes by, no-one will make FB 'add-ons' anymore at all. This too will happen.

But consider this: I play a racing sim called Grand Prix Legends. It came out in 1998, and it is still wildly popular online and offline. the community did not shatter and focus on the 'next big thing'....yet. It will happen some day, though, without question.

The sky is not falling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The vast majority of players will, by the time BoB comes out, make the transition to BoB, and that is good.

Why?

FB has several limitations, which you surely must know. Yes, it is a fine product. But- maps are wrong, maps are only sized for tactical missions, not strategic missions, the maps are 'closed' by which I mean you cannot fly from one to another, you fly off the 'edge' of the map. that's just for starters.

Do you people really want to always have that limitation, and others? I do not, without question, want to have 'the best' PC flight sim with these limitations.

AI problems, DM problems, FM problems...shall I go on? I am not bashing FB, I like it very much, it is 'the best' right now. But that will change. And the change will be for the better.

Who knows? In the future, you may have BoB and a 'new' FB on your hard-drives, in the manner of GPL- an 'old' program that is continually improved by the community.

But even if we don't get that, there is no reason the run and tell the King that something fell on your head, just yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


In the meantime, I must finish my "Battle over Britain" campaign, so I'll have fun regardless. I may even download a campaign generator tonight. Nope, I'm not going to miss FB when I have something vastly superior, and given Oleg and Co's track record with FB, in my opinion they have more than a fair chance of providing that vastly superior product.

And I'll still have FB in any case. Have fun, play the game, and look forward to better things. Some folks here are looking at this as FB's funeral, which is flippin Loco, Siscohttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif Wait till the body's dead and cold, people!

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Wave bub-bub-bub-bye to the boss, it's your profit, it's his loss~ Clash

Alexi_Alx_Anova
03-31-2004, 04:24 PM
Hear hear Chuck,

I also can't understand any of the consternation about PF damaging FB. In the past there was much debate about which theatre of operations people most wanted. BoB, Med. & Pacific were the prime candidates. Oleg is already developing BoB, he has stated that the Med. will be the next expansion to it, and Luthier & Co. has made great economies by utilizing the FB engine to bring us the Pacific. We should all be happy with this diversity and the fact that it will come with 1C:Maddox quality. The only caveat I would make is that I would have thought a WWI flight sim on the FB engine would have appealed to more, but that's just my bias.

FB will come to pass, and yes there has been an investment in it by the community that at first will seem like a waste. But all this FB work has provide people with great experience so they can do the same for the next generation of games and it has let the developers know what we the customers want so they can deliver more accurately in the future. These games are only developed if they sell, so ensure your future gaming security by buying...

In fact, it's looking pretty rosy for the future of combat flight sims (among other things). Computer technology is improving more than the usual jump this year (off the top of my head; 64 bitness (both AMD and now Intel has sheepishly announced it), PCI-express, DDR2, ICH6, R420/NV40, DX9c (that's right, not DX10, and whenever Microsoft release it!), etc. So the graphics quality and number of AI should increase notably. Then there is the new TCP/IP protocol just developed that increases Internet performance 10 fold on existing lines so maybe we'll be rid of online warping forever.

"...'naught may endure, but mutability"
P. B. Shelly

Alexi

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Steaky_361st
03-31-2004, 04:41 PM
Im just worried that Oleg and CO have forgotten that this originated as an Eastern Front Sim. I dont want to say that I speak for everyone, but I have read posts by others concerning flyables such as the Pe-2/3/8 and Ju88 etc. Im just scared that game is losing its character that it had before http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif .

If you think about for a minute, the FM on these already AI aircraft is already basically done, all we need is a cockpit and a few gunner positions. Were just getting barraged with all this new stuff and forgetting about the classic old sim.

Please dont get me wrong, I love FB and AEP and I am grateful to Oleg and CO, I just wanted to share my thoughts....


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Beirut
03-31-2004, 04:43 PM
I fear no flight sim! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

One advantage is that when we move up to the new sims and have upgraded "just for them", we are able to reinstall the old games and fly them with wicked performance improvements.

When BoB kicks in, and I've got my uber-computer running, I'll be able to fly IL2-FB with the Leningrad map and a hundred planes in the air. That sounds lovely to me.

Bring on every new flight sim. Any plane. Any era. If they're good, we'll fly 'em, if not, we won't.

Hell, I still fly Falcon 4, Janes WWII Fighters and CFS1. I can crank the details up to max and absolutely clutter the sky with aircraft. It's nice to have nearly a hundred planes in the air and 50+ FPS. Can't wait to have that in IL2.

"Official Lancaster whiner"

Chuck_Older
03-31-2004, 04:52 PM
Steaky-

I can understand to a point, but how does FB lose it's character? I still have every byte of the original sim on my hard drive and can play it just like it was before, can't I? If I don't want to use the options like flying a P-51 or an A6M, I just don't use that option.

To me, Il*2 was an eastern Front Sim. Il*2:FB is a continuation of that original title, but now it focuses on other aspects as well...I will say I am disappointed that there was no Polish Campaign, we basically have the correct aircraft already, and one of the maps has part of Poland in it, I beleive

As long as the sim doesn't lose it's quality, I would say we have gained aspects to it's character, rather than losing any character at all.

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Wave bub-bub-bub-bye to the boss, it's your profit, it's his loss~ Clash

Snoop_Baron
03-31-2004, 05:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Technology improves. Time moves on. We will have much better sims than FB, in the future.
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I agree. But I think the case with PF is that it is the same engine/technology but just a new theater that with enough effort could be made compatible even if not sold as an addon. So in this case when you have a flight sime based on the same engine it would be great if they could make it compatible so those of us who own both games (which I'm sure most of us will when it comes out) can combine the two into an even better product.

Now BoB is a completely different story. It's a completely new engine and it is unreasonable to think it would be compatible with FB.

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Steaky_361st
03-31-2004, 07:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Steaky-

I can understand to a point, but how does FB lose it's character? I still have every byte of the original sim on my hard drive and can play it just like it was before, can't I? If I don't want to use the options like flying a P-51 or an A6M, I just don't use that option.

To me, Il*2 was an eastern Front Sim. Il*2:FB is a continuation of that original title, but now it focuses on other aspects as well...I will say I am disappointed that there was no Polish Campaign, we basically have the correct aircraft already, and one of the maps has part of Poland in it, I beleive

As long as the sim doesn't lose it's quality, I would say we have gained aspects to it's character, rather than losing any character at all.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok maybe "loses its character" wasnt the right way to say it. I cant think of a way to say it....

I get where youre coming from as well, which is why i now realize that it is in fact gaining character.

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Slick750
03-31-2004, 07:32 PM
Compatible enough to see a ME109 at Midway? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif