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SeaFireLIV
03-28-2004, 05:30 AM
Well I was just pondering on all these dumb arguments we tend to have and how we speak as if we actually know what we`re talking about. We use clever words phrases, rehashed `technical data` that suits our own personal, fave plane cause. It goes on and on. Sometimes just want everyone to stop it and just enjoy the sim.

But...

This is a sim based ON conflict, based on war. Aren`t the sort of people who fly/play it going to be the type to enjoy general conflict. Isn`t conflict a part of the reason why we are here? Perhaps without healthy Forum conflict, they`d be no reflection, no thought, no sim... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Just my Sunday morning thoughts...

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SeaFireLIV
03-28-2004, 05:30 AM
Well I was just pondering on all these dumb arguments we tend to have and how we speak as if we actually know what we`re talking about. We use clever words phrases, rehashed `technical data` that suits our own personal, fave plane cause. It goes on and on. Sometimes just want everyone to stop it and just enjoy the sim.

But...

This is a sim based ON conflict, based on war. Aren`t the sort of people who fly/play it going to be the type to enjoy general conflict. Isn`t conflict a part of the reason why we are here? Perhaps without healthy Forum conflict, they`d be no reflection, no thought, no sim... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Just my Sunday morning thoughts...

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Extreme_One
03-28-2004, 05:35 AM
Conflict by way of debate is a good thing on the whole, but when it escalates into something personal then that is when things can go wrong.

I mean that's how Wars start isn't it?

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SeaFireLIV
03-28-2004, 05:35 AM
Yeah, well. That`s why I pose the question...

Extreme_One
03-28-2004, 05:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Yeah, well. That`s why I pose the question...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was supposed to be a rhetorical question.

Are you starting on me or what? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

One of the things I've noticed is that people type the way they speak to people face to face. When you're talking to someone face to face you can determine their intentions by looking at their body language and facial expressions as well as their tone of voice. All we have are the smilies (which people don't always use) and often peoples views are either mis-interpreted.

Then there's the use of English as a second language which opens another kettle of fish.

And also, while I'm rambling - the use of slang can probably be confusing to people that have never come across that particular term before...

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SeaFireLIV
03-28-2004, 05:55 AM
Yea, funny. Looking back on my casual remark, it`s interesting to see how it can be taken the wrong way. And you`re right. But also a lot of people talk on the forums in a way they WOULDN`T talk face to face cos they know they`d get a knuckle sandwich.

There have been times when i`ve wondered whether some people actually understand that they`re talking to real life people when on the net and not just an especially clever AI called the net. In fact I bet some people DO think the net is just an extended AI!! Maybe that`s why some seem so rude. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Reminds me of another forum i was on, it went like this:

Kid: I`d like to slow down this game, it`s too fast for me.

Me: Well you can adjust the speed in Instant Action to slow down the Bots, so it`s not so fast.

Kid: Oh, I know that but how do I slow down things when I`m online?


I had a good laugh with that one.

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wotan111
03-28-2004, 06:59 AM
Ive seen a remark by myself end up escalating into a rather hotly debated subject. It went on to become a personnal battle between myself and another member.

This other member seems to be like a great lad and really I think we agreed on the issue to a point and it was just a big misunderstanding.

The problem with Forums is that things get taken the wrong way all the time. This is becouse you cant see peoples faces or hear their tone of voice thus making it easy to get things all mixed up. What could be a casual remark could seem like a real attck to someone else.

SO on this forum (I have been advised not to dicuss touchy topics since) I feel that we should stick to the sim.

p1ngu666
03-28-2004, 07:01 AM
i figure the best thread title would something like
fw190 shooting down p51,p38,spitfire in FR
ps my terrrorist thread wasnt a troll post :P

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Black Sheep
03-28-2004, 07:11 AM
It is kind of different over here and I think things have changed over the years since the release of the original Il2 ( Been lurking a long time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

I'm also into the FS series of sims and fly heavy jets for British Airways Virtual; the forum over there is probably the politest I've ever encountered on the net. Mind you, unruly indiviuals find their accounts deleted almost immediately if warnings by mods are ignored.

That's not to say some of the more... boisterous topics over here are a bad thing, just different.

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Black Sheep
03-28-2004, 07:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moo.Cow:
It is kind of different over here and I think things have changed over the years since the release of the original Il2 ( Been lurking a _long_ time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

I'm also into the FS series of sims and fly heavy jets for British Airways Virtual; the forum over there is probably the politest I've ever encountered on the net. Mind you, unruly indiviuals find their accounts deleted almost immediately if warnings by mods are ignored. Not a good thing, as the VA is limited to 1000 pilots at any one time, for which you have to apply; and there's a long(ish) waiting list.

That's not to say some of the more... boisterous topics over here are a bad thing, just different.

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Black Sheep
03-28-2004, 07:15 AM
Bah, meant to edit my post not reply to it !

Slight stupidity attack.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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commie1
03-28-2004, 08:23 AM
You can't beat a good tard fight, IMO.

Hours of entertainment there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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M0NS
03-28-2004, 09:02 AM
I don't mind a good sober little argument now & then - as long as it is somehow related to FB. A conflict (potentially) cause people to reflect on their views & sometimes we get wiser.

(But I'm always right!!!)

My 2 cents.

S!

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crazyivan1970
03-28-2004, 09:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Well I was just pondering on all these dumb arguments we tend to have and how we speak as if we actually know what we`re talking about. We use clever words phrases, rehashed `technical data` that suits our own personal, fave plane cause. It goes on and on. Sometimes just want everyone to stop it and just enjoy the sim.

But...

This is a sim based ON conflict, based on war. Aren`t the sort of people who fly/play it going to be the type to enjoy general conflict. Isn`t conflict a part of the reason why we are here? Perhaps without healthy Forum conflict, they`d be no reflection, no thought, no sim... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Just my Sunday morning thoughts...
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Interesting thoughts mate...now go back to bed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Gershy
03-28-2004, 09:12 AM
Well I've been thinking about that as well and my conclusion is that if everyone here would accept me as being the "greatest forum member" and "poster of the absolute undoubtable truth" there wouldn't be any arguments anymore.

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SeaFireLIV
03-28-2004, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gershy:
Well I've been thinking about that as well and my conclusion is that if everyone here would accept me as being the "greatest forum member" and "poster of the absolute undoubtable truth" there wouldn't be any arguments anymore.

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Well fair enough, but I would say to most people not to think of me as their Boss, but as their Friend who is always right! Then we`d have peace! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

DuxCorvan
03-28-2004, 09:37 AM
Well, all this chatter is nonsense, since everybody knows I'm the only clever guy on Earth. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Dunkelgrun
03-28-2004, 11:41 AM
So many pretenders since RBJ left. *Sigh* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

PS How's my body language looking?

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Franzen
03-28-2004, 12:19 PM
Ok, I also have 2 cents. I think this forum is cool and I do appreciate the wisdom I have read. Some of you guyz know your stuff. It actually scares me a little; the unemployment rate must be hirer than I thought. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
I do enjoy a good argument but really dislike the few that are based on ignorance and propaganda. I have no respect for those that negatively judge a group or nationality based what they think are facts. Nevertheless, the majority of posters seem to be descent guyz. Conflicts in the forum can be nothing but negative but open and honest debates are what keep me reading, and sometimes posting.

Fritz

VW-IceFire
03-28-2004, 12:26 PM
Forums present a unique social problem for quite a few people. I tend to approach the way I write a message on a forum as a hybrid of my personal speaking style as well as a more formalized essay style that I use for some of my courses.

Not everyone has experience doing that or has the fluency in the language. Admittedly there are people here and elsewhere who are quite a bit better typing messages in English than I am in any other language so its certainly not meant to look down on anyone either...and there are others out there who get across their message better than I do on more than one occasion.

In terms of conflict, this board can and has had healthy levels of discussion and conflict. A good energetic debate is a good thing...problems get worked out. Personal attacks, flaming, and other similar types of behavior serve little purpose. Indeed, even an unhealthy level of sarcasm in an otherwise civil debate can cause quite a few problems.

I'm just happy to see some new MOD's around regulating things a bit more.

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mllaneza
03-28-2004, 12:31 PM
Of course we're going to have conflicts on this board. All good fighter pilots are self-confident, arrogant SOBs. And the mediocre ones have heard that's how pilots are...

Then there's the whole GIFW Theory, see below for details as applied to a popular FPS:

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horseback
03-28-2004, 12:35 PM
As long as we remember that a healthy debate should illuminate the subject rather than burn it to the ground, conflict and competitiveness can be a good thing.

I'd much rather get to the truth than score points with the peanut gallery.

cheers

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arcadeace
03-28-2004, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Just my Sunday morning thoughts...
Perhaps FORUM Conflict is Good...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. I think the full erection guys make it sweet. Now you have a gay day SeaFire http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Arrrra
03-28-2004, 01:17 PM
Conflict is and can be healthy and mentally stimulating, from time to time. Be it with your girlfriend, wife [err..most of the time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif the make-up after is the best part.] http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But, on forums, it gets things out in the open [A closed wound will never heal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif].

We all have sporatic dissagreements, BUT its how you deal with those disagreements, that determines your growth as a person & as human being. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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willyvic
03-28-2004, 05:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
This is a sim based ON conflict............ Isn`t conflict a part of the reason why we are here? Perhaps without healthy Forum conflict, they`d be no reflection, no thought, no sim...

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Naw, we are but a small minority that fly this game. The vast majority do not post on forums.

The reason WE are here is to gather round the table, run up the BS flag and have a go at the ins and outs of the world whether they be flight related or not.

We visit the forums from time to time..OK, some visit all the time....to check in and see what's happening with our virtual buddies. And to check on what hilarious, outlandish, or downright "I can't believe he said that" thread is the flavor of the day.

Kinda like a car wreck....ya just gotta look sometimes.

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