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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 03:26 PM
Is there any LW plane that could outturn a late Allies plane (like Yak3, Yak9, La5FN/7)?
If not, how can you really fight them? Only B&Z? It's very difficult and not many people have the nerves to do it.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 03:26 PM
Is there any LW plane that could outturn a late Allies plane (like Yak3, Yak9, La5FN/7)?
If not, how can you really fight them? Only B&Z? It's very difficult and not many people have the nerves to do it.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 03:27 PM
And not forget:
With the patch how is the situation between LW/Allies be?
Will the LW or Allies get any advantage?

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 03:28 PM
Zen_Fighter wrote:
- Only B&Z?It's very difficult and not many people have the
- nerves to do it.


That`s why they`re flown by the best/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Zen_Fighter wrote:
"And not forget:
With the patch how is the situation between LW/Allies be?
Will the LW or Allies get any advantage?"


LW will be more dangerous.FW190 will rule,Me109 close second.VVS pilots will have to rework their tactics.USAF will become a very deadly opponent(I giggle when I see USAF plane now).

Nonetheless the biggest LW/USAF advantage will always be missing - high alt performance.No patch will change this.



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Message Edited on 08/01/03 04:35PM by carguy_

Message Edited on 08/01/0305:32PM by carguy_

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 03:56 PM
Zen_Fighter wrote:
- Is there any LW plane that could outturn a late
- Allies plane (like Yak3, Yak9, La5FN/7)?


..... Fieseler Storch ..... ;-)


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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 03:57 PM
Zen_Fighter wrote:
- Is there any LW plane that could outturn a late
- Allies plane (like Yak3, Yak9, La5FN/7)?
- If not, how can you really fight them? Only B&Z?
- It's very difficult and not many people have the
- nerves to do it.


Sure. F4 could outturn any late war vvs fighter, in fact Yak3 is very much a late war equivalent of F4, (and Yak9U of early 109G). The only difference is that Yak3 got better aerodynamics and F4 had better supercharger, therefore Yak3 was faster at low alts, but at alts over 3000m F4 was better in anything. Of course don't expect to outturn most Yaks in FB with F4. Toghether with P-39, Hurris, I-16 and Laggs, Yaks are terribly overmodelled planes in FB. All of these planes suffer from the same problem - completely off speed loss (especially in turns) - resulting that no energy tactic can be applied against them since they loose no energy. Add to this no stalls, no spins, super cannons and MGs (MGs on Yaks were fixed in beta patch), and you'll understand why they are so popular online.


La7 was the real late war fighter in vvs service. Below 3000m it should eat anything. Unfortunatelly as much are overmodelled the Yaks, the late La's are undermodelled by the same amount.

The are many aspects of air combat not well represented in FB. Some of them are solved in the patch though.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 04:10 PM
Turning is the first thing that most people try but you put yourself at greater risk. You must also find a pilot who accepts your game.

BnZ is somewhat more difficult and it requires a patience but is relatively safe. You dont have to be an expert to BnZ as you can read often, its relatively easy tactics. All you need is to learn to shoot.

Flying a faster plane (most german planes are faster) you can at least successfully disengage if you get into a trouble. Try to run away in hurricane or I16 (so called uberplanes :-D) and you are dead.

Later german fighters are not build to dogfight with yaks nad lavockins. Jump into your FW190, climb, dive on russian bombers, destroy half of them in one pass and run. As those yaks will try to catch you, your second section will shoot down some of them too. Then RTB. One or two kills per mission is enough, isnt it?

If you want to go to dogfight server, take FW190A9. This plane goes more than 600kph at sea level, more than 700kph at some 6000m. Take mk103 ubergunpods that will not slow you down. One burst is enough everytime. Dont turn just try to find a plane you can surprise. If some red follows you just run, ignore him and look for another target. If you follow these steps you are nearly prefectly safe - and you just became a hunter..

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 04:46 PM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
Of
- course don't expect to outturn most Yaks in FB with
- F4. Toghether with P-39, Hurris, I-16 and Laggs,
- Yaks are terribly overmodelled planes in FB. All of
- these planes suffer from the same problem -
- completely off speed loss (especially in turns) -
- resulting that no energy tactic can be applied
- against them since they loose no energy. Add to this
- no stalls, no spins, super cannons and MGs (MGs on
- Yaks were fixed in beta patch), and you'll
- understand why they are so popular online.

- La7 was the real late war fighter in vvs service.
- Below 3000m it should eat anything. Unfortunatelly
- as much are overmodelled the Yaks, the late La's are
- undermodelled by the same amount.

Though the occasions are rare, this is one time when I agree with Huck.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 04:50 PM
oleg means ta-152h was good turner

same good as la-7

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 04:59 PM
carguy_ wrote:

- LW will be more dangerous.FW190 will rule,Me109
- close second.VVS pilots will have to rework their
- tactics.USAF will become a very deadly opponent(I
- giggle when I see USAF plane now).

If 190 will rule, then something is wrong with the patch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
With all my love and respect to 190 ...109 should be better abd it was /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .. not my opinion, but opinion of those who encountered them in real combat.

As for the topic, so far Emil and F4 can put up a good turnfight, but once Yak3 will extend...they will be left in the dust /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 05:02 PM
Skalgrim wrote:
- oleg means ta-152h was good turner
-
- same good as la-7

Yes Ta-152H was a good turner because of the high aspect ratio wings and very good Oswald Factor (also dependent on AR). For the very same reason I-16 was only average in turn rate compared with early war fighters.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 05:20 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:

- If 190 will rule, then something is wrong with the
- patch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
- With all my love and respect to 190 ...109 should be
- better abd it was /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .. not my opinion, but opinion
- of those who encountered them in real combat.



Not my opinion too.Those who actually flown FW190 were overwhelmed by it,cuz it almost completely outperformed Me109 IT[heir]O.

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 05:26 PM
Hop yer lil self into a 109F4

This bird can turn with just about anything

guns are week so shoot straight & aim for the wing roots or there fuel tanks be patient & wait for the right shot THEN UNLOAD

good luck

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 08:29 PM
In the F4 blackouts are on a regular basis and with almost every big turn.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 08:33 PM
carguy_ wrote:
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- crazyivan1970 wrote:
-
-- If 190 will rule, then something is wrong with the
-- patch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-- With all my love and respect to 190 ...109 should be
-- better abd it was /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .. not my opinion, but opinion
-- of those who encountered them in real combat.
-
-
-
- Not my opinion too.Those who actually flown FW190
- were overwhelmed by it,cuz it almost completely
- outperformed Me109 IT[heir]O.


If i understood you correctly you are saying that pilots who flew 109 on regular bases were blown away by FW190`s performance? And they thought it was clearly superior to Me109? I am talking Eastern Front...just a reminder...

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 08:37 PM
You *can* turn, but your shouldn't have to. That's only for when you get caught with your pants down (low and slow).

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 08:45 PM
Yep, the F4 is my favorite 109. It will turn with them all but the Yak3, I-16 and I-53.

I never turn fight with it though. It will B&Z with the best of them, and is a much safer way to fight.

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