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Jason Bourne
08-27-2004, 10:07 PM

Jason Bourne
08-27-2004, 10:07 PM

LEXX_Luthor
08-27-2004, 10:46 PM
If ship AA is realistic, Noob internet dogfighter vulching won't happen.

Team Divebombing and Team Torpedo bombing will be worth a trip through the AA though.
They can sink the Re~Spawn Point. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Who's gonna fly CAP? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>not me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

me neither http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

the other guy

yeah let the Newbie protect the carrier lets get some kills.
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Carrier radar would be helpful...set icon range to 80km.


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HH_Hitcher
08-28-2004, 12:29 AM
In Coop, you should be able to spawn on deck, wings folded, ready for takeoff. Does anyone know if this is the case?

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ploughman
08-28-2004, 01:52 PM
The AAA thing is right on the money. Any one who can get through the carrier's AAA and anything thrown up by any escorts is welcome to vulch. Infact, they'll deserve it.

ploughman
08-28-2004, 01:56 PM
Oh, and the other thing is...we won't be hearing anymore of "CyberpilotX is on the ground safe and sound." Oh no, it'll be "CyberpilotX has wiped out all over the stern of carrier X...again."

meh_cd
08-28-2004, 03:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ploughman:
Oh, and the other thing is...we won't be hearing anymore of "CyberpilotX is on the ground safe and sound." Oh no, it'll be "CyberpilotX has wiped out all over the stern of carrier X...again."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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ploughman
08-28-2004, 04:08 PM
Darn right.

WUAF_WarWeapon2
08-28-2004, 07:07 PM
Vulch your heart out.. There is no shame in destroying your enemy! Unless your a UN weiner http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

FRAGAL
08-29-2004, 06:18 AM
Hey, i won't be vulching planes guys just look at the nice big fat juicy carrier http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Sakai9745
08-29-2004, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:

Who's gonna fly CAP? [QUOTE]not me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

me neither http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

the other guy

yeah let the Newbie protect the carrier lets get some kills.
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lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif lol

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RAAF_Edin
08-29-2004, 07:52 AM
Who ever gets through all the guns shoting at him from the Carrier(s) and escort ships and manages to aim well and drop a bomb on the desk will be mighty lucky http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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IV_JG51_Prien
08-29-2004, 11:04 AM
I'll wait on this one to see how many people in PF actually decide purge the desire to be the "Fighter Ace" and become a "Bomber Jockey" instead.

IMO, flying around in a target drone laiden with explosives is much more fun than flying a fighter.

You can all be sure.. you'll see me up in the sky in a Dauntless braving all the Zeroes, Tonys, and the gauntlet of AAA to get my eggs on a carrier deck.

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Sakai9745
08-29-2004, 11:15 AM
Count me in, Prien, although I'll be the speck just above the waves trying to plant my fish into the enemy flattop's underside. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Sakai9745
08-29-2004, 11:21 AM
Who am I kidding? This new attached image for my signature should be much more appropriate, considering how much I am looking forward to hugging the waves. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers,

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JG7_Rall
08-29-2004, 11:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
The AAA thing is right on the money. Any one who can get through the carrier's AAA and anything thrown up by any escorts is welcome to vulch. Infact, they'll deserve it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen!

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Jason Bourne
08-29-2004, 02:03 PM
yah, ill probaly be the guy dive bombing in a b-25 or P-61(if we get it flyable). after all, if they cant hit you, they cant kill you

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ploughman
08-29-2004, 03:34 PM
Sakai9745 Your signature reminds me of a day at my mother-in-law's.

Sakai9745
08-29-2004, 11:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
Sakai9745 Your signature reminds me of a day at my mother-in-law's.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Kartveli
08-30-2004, 12:28 AM
The truly wonderful thing is, when someone stays into carrier (and support ship) AAA, whoever doesn't have a Cray will get one of those 20 second screen freezes...

wonderful.

CrazySchmidt
08-30-2004, 04:27 AM
Being able to strafe aircraft struggling to get into the air off a carrier deck is one of the many reasons I will pay to have this Sim on my PC.

There is no shame in preventing your enemy from dropping bombs on you and your mates.

Line em up baby.

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ElAurens
08-30-2004, 05:01 AM
And whilst all of you are waxing poetic over carrier ops, (I look forward to them as well), I am wondering about land based operations. The Japanese were skillful revetment builders on their island airfields. If modelled properly these revetments (if implemented) will make "vulching" (straffing) much harder. And major land bases like Rabaul had flak to rival that of any carrier task force. Just something to think about.

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08-31-2004, 08:24 PM
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Tater-SW-
08-31-2004, 08:32 PM
We've seen one revetment object, I have no idea if they block LOS though. I suppose if you cannot strafe through a building now to hit what's on the other side they will work vs strafing. Not sure about how bombs and parafrags in particular will be treated.

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RedDeth
09-01-2004, 12:06 AM
it will be almost impossible to vulch a carrier. figure 50 to 70 AAA guns on the carrier alone.

figure another 10 escort ships for a big carrier for about 350 to 400 AAA guns all firing simultaneously and with fighter cover for the carrier.

itll be a cold day in he!! when you succeed against that kind of defense.

youll need an entire carriers offensive fighter and dive bomber force just to get past the fighter cover. youll need a second carriers full complement to make sure you sink your objective.

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OldMan____
09-01-2004, 06:35 AM
Do you really think we will have 300 guns in a task force? LOL.. and UBI will admit loosing 80% of market just because the game is to damm CPU cost to most player buy it?

Think.. we will not see more than 20 or 30 guns..

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

Obi_Kwiet
09-01-2004, 11:32 AM
This was a major consideration during the war. I can think of at least one time an enitre task force was put out of commision for a long time because of a lucky stirikes just before take off.

RedDeth
09-01-2004, 11:58 AM
" posted 01-09-04 05:35
Do you really think we will have 300 guns in a task force? LOL.. and UBI will admit loosing 80% of market just because the game is to damm CPU cost to most player buy it?

Think.. we will not see more than 20 or 30 guns.."

20 to 30 guns is just one side of an aircraft carrier all alone by itself. that wont happen. i understand the hit on cpus with all that flak. so they must have an answer for it .either that or itll just be all island fighting.

oleg isnt gonna have a carrier force sitting defenseless with just 20 AAA guns total. aint gonna happen.

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OldMan____
09-01-2004, 12:59 PM
So what he will do? Give a free Atlhon 64 with each game copy? RL european war had MUCH more flak in ground than any task force carried ever. But we don see this in game. Why? Only 10% of gamers can handle it. So we will have.. fewer.. very effective guns (more effective than in RL)

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Tvrdi
09-01-2004, 02:58 PM
well if u want better gameplay (torpedo fighters/bombers not to be downed each time) and less lag its better without 400 AA guns...anyway, comparing to the real life with those online maps, ship damage models, number of online flyers (planes)included - its proportional..to have only 20-30 AA guns...in real life there was atleast 200-350 planes fighting in the air above carriers and other ships...in game max is 32....so 20-30 AA guns is really a nice number isnt it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif not to mention sniper effectivenes of AA guns in FB (and probably in PF) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Baco-ECV56
09-01-2004, 03:07 PM
I wouldn´t use the adjective "only" for 20 AAA guns in FB

I´d say that if you have to face 20 guns, its an imposible to hit target.

10 to 14 already make it imposible http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

I think youll get about 10 Smal calibeer and about 3 40mm.. Baut befor you start compalining, let me asure you that in FB that is a LOT of led in the air, and acurate as hell. No one or two ship flight can get past that AAA defense in FB.

To attack a traget with 10+ you need at least a 4 ship flight, but to asure some damage you better go in with 6+ planes... Really.