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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 10:31 AM
Hi all,

I'm new to IL2 Forgotten Battles and flight sims in general. I always thought it'd be fun to try one though and I heard this was the best one out there at the minute.

I've got a fair few questions, but I think you guys should be able to answer them in a matter of seconds!

How do you tell how far away you are from something? In the training missions it says things like "at 5km away from the airfield" "at 1km away from the landing strip" etc. How do you judge these distances?

Do waypoints have a height component? If so, how do you find out what it is? For example, when you fly to a waypoint on the map, you can judge whether you're in the right place in the plane parallel to the ground, but how do you tell how high you should be?

I was told that IL2 FB has a very intuitive training/tutorial system, but all I seem to be able to do is watch a rolling demo and read some text about what is happening. How do I fly in training mode? Is it possible? If not, how's the best way to practise the basics?

Also, when I watch training mode, I see adjustments being made to things like the radiator and prop. pitch. I have no idea what these are, let alone how they should be used. What's going on?!

Any other tips on how I can become good (as opposed to completely inept) would be appreciated.

Thanks for you time.

Best regards,
Louis.

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 10:31 AM
Hi all,

I'm new to IL2 Forgotten Battles and flight sims in general. I always thought it'd be fun to try one though and I heard this was the best one out there at the minute.

I've got a fair few questions, but I think you guys should be able to answer them in a matter of seconds!

How do you tell how far away you are from something? In the training missions it says things like "at 5km away from the airfield" "at 1km away from the landing strip" etc. How do you judge these distances?

Do waypoints have a height component? If so, how do you find out what it is? For example, when you fly to a waypoint on the map, you can judge whether you're in the right place in the plane parallel to the ground, but how do you tell how high you should be?

I was told that IL2 FB has a very intuitive training/tutorial system, but all I seem to be able to do is watch a rolling demo and read some text about what is happening. How do I fly in training mode? Is it possible? If not, how's the best way to practise the basics?

Also, when I watch training mode, I see adjustments being made to things like the radiator and prop. pitch. I have no idea what these are, let alone how they should be used. What's going on?!

Any other tips on how I can become good (as opposed to completely inept) would be appreciated.

Thanks for you time.

Best regards,
Louis.

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 11:28 AM
LRose wrote:

- How do you tell how far away you are from something?
- In the training missions it says things like "at 5km
- away from the airfield" "at 1km away from the
- landing strip" etc. How do you judge these
- distances?

Look on the map (press M to activate). Zoom by right-licking over it. Then, when you're at a given known distance, look at how many grid squares it corresponds.
Moreover, you can see the distance of another plane by its icon over it (shift I to activate and switch mode): then compare this distance on the map's grid at the various map zooms (pause the game while doing so).

- Do waypoints have a height component?

No. During Single missions and Campaigns, the flight leader tells you at which eight you must fly (or just follow the leader).

- I was told that IL2 FB has a very intuitive
- training/tutorial system, but all I seem to be able
- to do is watch a rolling demo and read some text
- about what is happening. How do I fly in training
- mode? Is it possible?

Not to my knowledge.

- If not, how's the best way to
- practise the basics?

Go on Full Mission Builder. Load a map (look on the manual how to do, it's very easy). Put a plane on a strip and practice, practice, practice: take-off, landing, some aerobatics, level flight, etc etc.
Then go to Quick Mission Builder and try some combat.

- Also, when I watch training mode, I see adjustments
- being made to things like the radiator and prop.
- pitch. I have no idea what these are, let alone how
- they should be used. What's going on?!

You should read throughout the forum.
Briefly:
Radiator: the more the radiator is open, the slower the engine (expecially liquid cooled) will oveheat on high throttle. Moreover, radiator open = drag.
Propeller pitch:
Is the angle at which propeller's blade "bite" the air. 100% means a small angle compared to a blade perpendicular to plane motion. 10% means a bigger angle; 0% on 2 motors plane means feather propeller.
The highest the 100%, the faster engine will turn at a givn throttle. The tip is to keep engine's RPM constant shifting pitch. This means that if you want speed and power to run and climb, keep engine's RPM at the max power range by full throttle (see manual for planes' specs) and by high % pitch; if you want to save fuel and not increase engine temperature, keep RPM low by low percentage pitch and les throttle.
German fighter have it automatic/manual, so you don't worry about them normally.

- Any other tips on how I can become good (as opposed
- to completely inept) would be appreciated.
-

Practice, practice, practice.
This is more a sim than a game!

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 03:29 PM
Hi Rose

I'm always attracted to threads that got very few answers.

I've flown thgis great game since it's appeareance, starting with the original IL2. So far i've completed more than 400 missions (with 4 different pilots) in FB and IL2, and so far i've never used the complex engine management and it has been a great fun. Don't expect to land in one piece the first time you try, and learn to fly just doing it. If you want to know wich plane fits better to your need instead of using the full mission builder (too complicated) go to the Quick Mission Builder and select all the plane and see wich one you like the best.

At first don't play in full real, i play with external views eneabled and realistic gunnery disabled (triples normal damage..done but also received)but everything else is set to real, deselect instant succes and landing and take-off. In this way you won't have to land to complete the mission but you'll certainly have to complete your objective.

After a while you can start with your landing practice, after all seeing how your landing gear crushes or how your planes bounces on the runway is also fun.

So far i haven't flown offline (poor internet bandwidth) but i can't complain of been bored.

Good flight to you !

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 04:00 PM
Quick explanation of what to do with prop pitch:

1: Determine what kind of prop system your aircraft has (3 major types: P47, La5FN=Constant Speed Prop, most comon; Bf109=Variable Pitch Prop; TB3 Bomber=Fixed Pitch Prop (no need to explain fixed pitch, unadjustable)

2: Constant Speed Props: you (the pilot) set a desired engine RPM (look at RPM guage to see this change as you adjust), and the prop adjusts itself (somewhat confusing as onscreen still reads 'prop pitch 80%', this is semantics, in this case 80% actaully refers to 80% of max engine RPM's, say 2500 on P-40). For max power (speed, climb, combat etc) you want max engine RPM's (or 100% prop pitch onscreen message). Use lower RPM's to reduce temperatures (overheat) or save fuel. This is most common system, and is still used on aircraft today.

3: Variable Pitch Props: (note, BF109's have an auto system set as default, but more power can be gained by switch to 'manual' and directly adjust the prop pitch yourself). For this prop pitch system (again, on 'Manual', shift-0), you want to maintain a specific engine RPM, but you (the pilot) must do this manually by yourself, by adjusting the prop pitch. Watch how the engine RPM is effected when you change prop pitch (prop pitch increase, RPM increase and vice versa). You need to maintain a specific RPM for maximum power (see the manual for a guide to these RPMs). Use lower RPM's to reduce temperature (from overheat) or save fuel. This is a complex operation, and running at too high RPM's is gaurenteed to ruin your engine. The 'auto' system works adequately, and basically just like a Constant Speed Prop.

Wow, not so quick, hope that answers a few questions for you.

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 06:18 PM
Thanks for all of your help. It seems the key to success is practicing! I shall go and try for a bit now. In Quick Mission and Full Mission.

I'm also currently trying the mission where you have to escort Lt Ober, I can never seem to stay near him though!

Thanks again,
Louis.