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roachclip
02-10-2004, 03:47 PM
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/778.html

It is looking GREAT.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Some tough times for Allied fighters, soon.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

One thing I did notice was the wingtips seem to be shaped incorrectly, they seem to be too straight. Who ever did the texturing needs to look at the wing tip fairing. This should be as on the Fw190, should it not?

roachclip
02-10-2004, 03:47 PM
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/778.html

It is looking GREAT.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Some tough times for Allied fighters, soon.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

One thing I did notice was the wingtips seem to be shaped incorrectly, they seem to be too straight. Who ever did the texturing needs to look at the wing tip fairing. This should be as on the Fw190, should it not?

faustnik
02-10-2004, 03:49 PM
Is there any evidence that a Ta152C flew in combat?

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roachclip
02-10-2004, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
Is there any evidence that a Ta152C flew in combat?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very doubtful, but that has not stopped some others from being included in the plane set that never did.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bo_Nidle
02-10-2004, 04:54 PM
From the histories I have read it would apear that the Allies over-ran the production facilities before the first examples were completed.So it never went into combat.

Still nice to have it though.

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nicolas10
02-10-2004, 04:58 PM
Feckin' A!

There's no evidence of it ever reaching combat, but I think some were completed when the russians overran the plant that produced them. I think most were waiting for an engine or something.

Maybe a bunch of them saw combat, but I think it's pretty unlikely.

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robban75
02-10-2004, 05:00 PM
It's great that we might be getting a Ta 152C! But there are some things that needs to be corrected on the 3D model.

The wing of the Ta 152C was the same as for the 190A/D except for the inner most part of the wing, which is the same as that of the Ta 152H. All in all the Ta 152C had a wingspan 50sm longer than that of the 190A/D. The wingtips on the 3D models needs to be more rounded.

The 3D models has some errors in it besides the wings. The supercharger intake looks kind of strange, and the bulge on the cowling is too far aft. The spinner should be shorter aswell, as it wasn't the same as for the Ta 152H.

A correct looking model.

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Fea1/001-100/Fea077_Ta152c_Gastel/images/Ta152C_05.jpg

Just for comparison...

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crazyivan1970
02-10-2004, 05:00 PM
Maybe field trial versions saw combat. Not sure how new equipment was tested in germany, but in russia all planes befre they hit production lines usually saw some real action - field trials.

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faustnik
02-10-2004, 05:13 PM
It's just me, but, I can't get excited about an a/c that didn't see significant combat. I hate to say this because I really appreciate every bit of effort that went into creating any a/c but, I rather see the effort spent on getting a/c that did see combat flyable.

I think it was 1C that developed the Ta152H model. I would much rather have had them spend the time making the Hs129, or Pe-3 flyable.

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nicolas10
02-10-2004, 05:15 PM
The H saw combat. It shot down at least 9 Yaks. I'm sure glad it is done, but then again it's my fav WWII bird so I'm biased http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Zen--
02-10-2004, 05:16 PM
sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Weather_Man
02-10-2004, 05:21 PM
lol Zen. We need to get you a Ta support group going once she becomes flyable. Maybe hand out some stuffed Ta-152 dolls for you hug while you're away from the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

lbhskier37
02-10-2004, 05:36 PM
The Tas are some of my favorite late war planes, I can't wait to fly one, but they didnt have enough cool color schemes like the Dora so it will be a bit boring for mehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Zen--
02-10-2004, 05:41 PM
The Dora and the TA152 are in my heart...they go with me where ever I go.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Bogun
02-10-2004, 05:50 PM
It does not meter if it did not. Host can always exclude this plane if he does not like it.
But, at list, we are going to have a chance to fly it.
May be, just may be we will have "What If" or 1946 scenario to try it vs. P-51H, Bearcat, Hawker Sea Fury, La-9 or Yak-9UT...

I say thank you Harti! Thank you very much!

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faustnik
02-10-2004, 06:00 PM
I wonder how Oleg can work on FMs for planes that never really flew?

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nicolas10
02-10-2004, 06:05 PM
Well the prototypes flew. I wonder if Oleg has data about it. Anyway maybe it's possible to extrapolate on the Dora.

In any case it will have to be done for a bunch of planes, like the Go 229 I think.

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VW-IceFire
02-10-2004, 06:07 PM
Harti mentioned something about Kurt Tank showing up with one of these (I presume it was a C model) at a forward base that was flying FW190D's. Both Ta-152's...the one we're getting and the one that Harti is making are a good complement to the late war early jet fighters and it complements the 1946 theme that was undertaken for a while.

It'd be nice if the next jet undertaken was the Arado 234 (the jet bomber). Wouldn't have alot of internal modeling VS other bomber types and its got some historical precedent for being there. I have vivid memories of chasing these guys in a Tempest in Aces Over Europe...their target was a 20 poly bridge over a 3 poly piece of water (all estimations http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) and it was darned exciting!

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nicolas10
02-10-2004, 06:17 PM
The Ar234 gets my vote too. It's an awesome plane, and yes it did see service.

What a nice campaign could be built with those babies and the Tas among others.

Nic

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FW190fan
02-10-2004, 06:33 PM
Hey look, it's Dora's big brother http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

And he's been taking "performance enhancing" drugs. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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RedDeth
02-10-2004, 06:45 PM
the Arado jet bomber attacked the bridge at Remagen to try to stop the us forces from crossing inhttp://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_120_1076464479.jpg force.they had me262s with them also.

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Copperhead310th
02-10-2004, 11:31 PM
Well the bad news is that for all of you Luft-fans out there that thought this plane was gonna be the be the new Axis Uber Bird.....
my sources tell me NO. It's not all that & a bag of chips from what i hear.

So with that in mind let the Whineing, Pi$$ing & moaning begin.

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necrobaron
02-10-2004, 11:51 PM
I think the Ta-152C will handle better than the H,but I don't really know how it's performance compares to other birds.(Like the 190D,for example.)

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faustnik
02-11-2004, 12:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Well the bad news is that for all of you Luft-fans out there that thought this plane was gonna be the be the new Axis Uber Bird.....
my sources tell me NO. It's not all that & a bag of chips from what i hear.

So with that in mind let the Whineing, Pi$$ing & moaning begin.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Copper,
What are you talking about???

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BlindHuck
02-11-2004, 01:51 AM
April 30 strength report for JG301 lists 2(ea) Ta152C-1/R31 with Stab JG301 at Welzow. R31 was nitrous (higher altitude boost) and C-1 had MK108 in nose. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Nothing known of ops. Had 55.89 lb wing loading. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Just an observation, will be interesting to see how its modeled. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
02-11-2004, 02:18 AM
any plane with Flight Data existing that is sufficent can be added to FB

my fav plane in all of the WW2 era flew for 40 minutes

not enough data to create a FM for it so it will never appear in my favourite game

dont see me bwaling about it tho



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FW190fan
02-11-2004, 02:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ******head310th:
Well the bad news is that for all of you Luft-fans out there that thought this plane was gonna be the be the new Axis Uber Bird.....
my sources tell me NO. It's not all that & a bag of chips from what i hear.

So with that in mind let the Whineing, Pi$$ing & moaning begin.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


SOURCE:

"All Luftwaffe Aircraft Suck Because I Said So."

University of Lower Alabama Press
ISBN 265437-90

Col. Kit Carson writes of this literary masterpiece:

"This book is a must have for everyone who suffers from German-phobia and the well-researched and completely unbiased factual information contained herein will soothe the tattered nerves of everyone suffering from Hun-induced feelings of inadequecy."

Further by Col. Carson:

"Please see my own chapter about that Jerry fighter the so-called Bf109. In it I show why it was manifestly obsolete the day it rolled off the assembly line and inferior to our own P-36, which was designed by Gawd Himself Amen."


Unfortunately, this fine literary work is "out of print" but can occasionally be found on www.Amazon.turd, (http://www.Amazon.turd,) for anyone that is interested.

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roachclip
02-11-2004, 02:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ******head310th:
Well the bad news is that for all of you Luft-fans out there that thought this plane was gonna be the be the new Axis Uber Bird.....
my sources tell me NO. It's not all that & a bag of chips from what i hear.

So with that in mind let the Whineing, Pi$$ing & moaning begin.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


SOURCE:

"All Luftwaffe Aircraft Suck Because I Said So."

University of Lower Alabama Press
ISBN 265437-90

Col. Kit Carson writes of this literary masterpiece:

"This book is a must have for everyone who suffers from German-phobia and the well-researched and completely unbiased factual information contained herein will soothe the tattered nerves of everyone suffering from Hun-induced feelings of inadequecy."

Further by Col. Carson:

"Please see my own chapter about that Jerry fighter the so-called Bf109. In it I show why it was manifestly obsolete the day it rolled off the assembly line and inferior to our own P-36, which was designed by Gawd Himself Amen."


Unfortunately, this fine literary work is "out of print" but can occasionally be found on http://www.Amazon.turd, for anyone that is interested.

http://people.aero.und.edu/~choma/lrg0645.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


What is with all these Luft fan bois who have a facination with the sexual parts of the human body. Are they degenerate deviates like the one they love so much? Isegrim liked bung holes, Nic likes a part of the female anatomy(that's OK, but mentions another sexual activity, so am not sure which way he swings) and this here Fw190fan likes a part of the male anatomy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

robban75
02-11-2004, 02:56 AM
I think it's safe to say that the Ta 152C won't win any turnfights at the lower speeds. Nor is its low altitude climbrate all that impressive, probably not better than that of the Fw 190D-9. But, the Ta 152C was meant to go fast, really fast, and with the DB 603 L engine it will be a potent adversary to anything else above 5000 meters. And with the armament it carried, there was no need to stay behind an opponent for more than half a second. I'd say in the Ta 152C we will have a superior energy and hit'n run fighter. It will probably outdive, out zoom, outfly and outgun most other single engined fighters. I only wonder, can FB really handle it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I still want a D-12 though! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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FW190fan
02-11-2004, 03:09 AM
Gee roachclip, it must have been some mix-up in the UBB code that somehow re-translated the post to aptly name the individual based on past behavior.

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roachclip
02-11-2004, 03:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
Gee roachclip, it must have been some mix-up in the UBB code that somehow re-translated the post to aptly name the individual based on past behavior.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't know how to edit fan boi, who has a facination with a part of the male anatomy? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

FW190fan
02-11-2004, 03:24 AM
roachclip, I am just as mystified as you are.

Sometimes technology can be a very scary thing. Maybe the forum has become self-aware.

Ooh, spooky.

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roachclip
02-11-2004, 03:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
roachclip, I am just as mystified as you are.

Sometimes technology can be a very scary thing. Maybe the forum has become self-aware.

Ooh, spooky.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since you have not corrected you original post, I can only conclude you are one of the faerey nice bois. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

FW190fan
02-11-2004, 03:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by roachclip:
Since you have not corrected you original post, I can only conclude you are one of the faerey nice bois. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sorry, but I'm not aware of what "faerey nice bois" means. It sounds french and ghey.

Also, just curious: roachclip = Milo Morai?(you both use the term "boi" alot)

Coincidence?

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Bremspropeller
02-11-2004, 07:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
Copper,
What are you talking about???

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LoL...let him..he just figured out, that his lil'friend is also useful for other things than peeing...his dad told him, u know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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robban75
02-11-2004, 07:14 AM
Gentlemen, back to topic perhaps? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Thrawn888
02-11-2004, 07:38 AM
itll be nice to have this bird i prefer the firepower myself since the H version is for extreme altitudes and the C still goes pretty high.

Hopefully the LA9/11 dont come around damn La's are most annoying

Bremspropeller
02-11-2004, 07:52 AM
Of course....couldn't resist...I apologize http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



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bazzaah2
02-11-2004, 07:53 AM
forgive my ignorance but what are the main differences between 152 C & H variants?

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robban75
02-11-2004, 07:56 AM
I know Brems, it's VERY hard to resist some times! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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robban75
02-11-2004, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bazzaah2:
forgive my ignorance but what are the main differences between 152 C & H variants?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The biggest external difference is the wingspan. The Ta 152H has a much longer wingspan. The Jumo 213E powers the H whereas the C has a DB 603 E/L/LA. The external difference is the location of the supercharger. Jumo, rightside, DB leftside. The Ta 152H has a pressurised cabin, the C does not. The C has a more 2 more 20mm guns. There's more differences, but these are the major ones.

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faustnik
02-11-2004, 09:50 AM
Was there aver a plan to put the Ta152s into mass production?

How did the Me262 perform at high altitude? Was there any reason for Germany to continue to develope a piston engined fighter?

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roachclip
02-11-2004, 10:01 AM
Yes, there was to be 'far in excess' of 15,000 Ta152s manufactured by March '46.

faustnik, why do you not buy the Harmann Ta152 book?

faustnik
02-11-2004, 10:20 AM
Could you give me a little more info Roachclip. If it's worth getting I would appreciate the recommendation. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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FW190fan
02-11-2004, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
Gentlemen, back to topic perhaps? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


robban75, you are the voice of reason and a better man than I am. Apologies all around.

Now, back on topic.

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JG26Red
02-11-2004, 10:46 AM
Ta152H-1 Engine: Junkers Jumo 213E-1 twelve-cylinder liquid-cooled engine rated at 1750 hp for takeoff (2050 hp with MW 50 boost) and 1320 hp at 32,800 feet (1740 feet with GM 1 boost). Maximum speed: 332 mph at sea level (350 mph with MW 50 boost), 465 mph at 29,530 feet with MW 50 boost, 472 mph at 41,010 feet with GM 1 boost. Service ceiling was 48,550 feet with GM 1 boost. Initial climb rate was 3445 feet/minute with MW 50 boost. Weights were 8642 pounds empty, 10,472 pounds normal loaded, 11,502 pounds maximum. Wingspan 47 feet 41/2 inches, length 35 feet 1 2/3 inches, height 11 feet 0 1/4 inches, wing area 250.8 square feet.

The Ta 152C-1 was powered by a Daimler-Benz DB 603LA twelve-cylinder liquid cooled engine rated at 2100 hp (2300 hp with MW 50) for takeoff and 1750 hp at 29,530 feet (1900 hp at 27,560 feet with MW 50). Armed with one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon with 90 rounds, two fuselage-mounted 20-mm MG 151 cannon with 250 rpg, and two wing-mounted 20-mm MG252 cannon with 175 rpg. Maximum speed was 227 mph at sea level (356 mph with MW 50), 436 mph at 37,730 feet (460 mph at 32,810 feet with MW 50). Initial climb rate was 3050 feet per minute and service ceiling was 40,350 feet. Weights were 8849 lbs empty, 10,658 lbs normal loaded, and 11,733 pounds maximum. Wingspan was 36 feet 1 inch, length was 35 feet 6 1/2 inches, height was 11 feet 1 inch, and wing area was 290.89 square feet.