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hsj
02-23-2004, 05:29 AM
I've been playing il2 and fb for over a year now and am starting to get bored with flying missions against the AI so I want to get started with online play. I got hyperlobby and logged in and managed to fly against other players but I really had no idea what I was doing so I was wondering if there is a guide somewhere to how the online FB community works that answers questions such as:
- whats a good ping and whats a bad ping, how important is the net connection
- what missiontypes are there? co-op, dogfight, racing etc?
- do i have to be in a squadron to get more out of flying online
- are players expected to know the basics of air combat (are FB players a nice bunch people who give kind reminders and tips or will newbies be cursed at and thrown out for mistakes)
- what are good servers for different occasions, are there simple "log on for a quick dogfight" servers? are there serious mission servers that take 1-2 hours to complete one session
- overall how do people play online in FB, mostly quick dogfights? mostly squadrons fighting?

i've been trying to ask these questions in hyperlobby chat but people seem to be really busy flying or chatting in foreign languages http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

regards,
hsj

hsj
02-23-2004, 05:29 AM
I've been playing il2 and fb for over a year now and am starting to get bored with flying missions against the AI so I want to get started with online play. I got hyperlobby and logged in and managed to fly against other players but I really had no idea what I was doing so I was wondering if there is a guide somewhere to how the online FB community works that answers questions such as:
- whats a good ping and whats a bad ping, how important is the net connection
- what missiontypes are there? co-op, dogfight, racing etc?
- do i have to be in a squadron to get more out of flying online
- are players expected to know the basics of air combat (are FB players a nice bunch people who give kind reminders and tips or will newbies be cursed at and thrown out for mistakes)
- what are good servers for different occasions, are there simple "log on for a quick dogfight" servers? are there serious mission servers that take 1-2 hours to complete one session
- overall how do people play online in FB, mostly quick dogfights? mostly squadrons fighting?

i've been trying to ask these questions in hyperlobby chat but people seem to be really busy flying or chatting in foreign languages http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

regards,
hsj

Tully__
02-23-2004, 05:48 AM
- whats a good ping and whats a bad ping, how important is the net connection

On dialup connections, less than 500ms is good. For broadband you often see less than 80ms if you're close to the server.

More important than low numbers is stability, people on unstable connections with rapidly & wildly varying ping will cause problems even if it never goes over 200. On the other hand I've flown good clean missions with people on dialup who had pings as high as 700-800ms but were rock stable.

Any bandwidth over 28kbs will get you some quality online flying, but the better the bandwidth, the more complex the missions or servers you can join and the more players your connection will tolerate.

- what missiontypes are there? co-op, dogfight, racing etc?

Basically two, coop & dogfight. Coop is a team based affair with everyone starting the mission at the same time. You'll follow waypoints to a target, attack and try to return home alive. You only get one life per mission, then you have to wait in the lobby for the next coop.

Dogfight servers in their simplest form are two (or more) sides playing kill or be killed. You can take off after dying as often as you like (unless the host gets tired of the affair and shuts down the server).

There's more to DF than that though. Through the scripting functions made available to the community by Greatergreen, a number of goal oriented options are available to DF hosts and clients, the variety is too complex to go into in depth here.

Air racing is conducted on DF servers set up with only one "team". The rules vary, but there's an organised league. You can find more information at http://www.il2airracing.com/

- do i have to be in a squadron to get more out of flying online

This varies from person to person. Some get a great deal out of squadrons, others don't ever find a squad that "fits".

- are players expected to know the basics of air combat (are FB players a nice bunch people who give kind reminders and tips or will newbies be cursed at and thrown out for mistakes)

FB players are like any other bunch of people. Some are really friendly and welcoming, others have the patience of a 4 year old in a candy store http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

A good reference for online sim tactics is the extensive library of articles at SimHQ Aircombat Corner (http://www.simhq.com/_air/acc_library.html)

- what are good servers for different occasions, are there simple "log on for a quick dogfight" servers? are there serious mission servers that take 1-2 hours to complete one session

Servers vary a great deal in both settings and atmosphere. Try a few and see what you like. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- overall how do people play online in FB, mostly quick dogfights? mostly squadrons fighting?

A bit of everything, with something that suits everyone http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. There tend to be fads and fashions a bit, but for the most part, pretty much everyone can find something to their liking most of the time.

Edit: click on the picture below to go to the community created FAQ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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resev
02-23-2004, 05:56 AM
You'l be better off by asking your question in here directly.
Don't bother beeing a rookie, we were all rookies at one point.

To answer you imediate questions.


- whats a good ping and whats a bad ping, how important is the net connection.

A good ping?
Anything below 100 is good, but you'l be real lucky if you can get this sort of ping.
The importance of the web connection is no diferent than any other game, the higher the speed of the connection, the lower pings you'l have, but its not an exact science.
You could have a T1 connection, and still suffer from pings above 300 on very busy servers.
It greatly depends not only of you, but with who else and what connection they have are on the server.


- what missiontypes are there? co-op, dogfight, racing etc?

Pretty much whatever you can think of.
The most popular will allways be the straight team based dogfight, but coops are allways good for a little more intrincacy on the online game.
Racing is very specialized, you'l have to try it for yourself to see if you like it.


- do i have to be in a squadron to get more out of flying online.

You don't have to be in a squadron if you don't want to, but eventualy, you'l feel the need for teams tactics to be involved in the game and to take better advantages of the aircrafts you fly, and for that you'l need to join a squadron.


- are players expected to know the basics of air combat (are FB players a nice bunch people who give kind reminders and tips or will newbies be cursed at and thrown out for mistakes)?

Its like everything else on any other game, but in flight sims, the learning curve is much steeper.
Maybe you'l get a few rants in the beguinning now and then, but you shouldn't bother yourself with it.
In general, when you are flying, you won't have much time to talk all that much, so concentrate on your flight, not in what other peoples may say about you.
I'm making this all sound too grim, so don't get too influentiated by what i'm saying, as generaly and in the majority of times, you'l find fun people to fly with.


- what are good servers for different occasions, are there simple "log on for a quick dogfight" servers? are there serious mission servers that take 1-2 hours to complete one session.

The most serious, longest and dificult servers to fly in, are the ones that are based on full real settings, either in dog fight or coops.
Blazing Magnums server is a good example.


- overall how do people play online in FB, mostly quick dogfights? mostly squadrons fighting?

You find that mosts people who fly online, usualy belong to a squadron, but its often to see them flying by themselfs or with only one or two squad mates, instead of the full squadron.
To find a full squadron, you'l have to enter the servers of those squadrons themselfs, usualy flying with other invited full sqadrons.



Any questions, just ask away.

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Alexi_Alx_Anova
02-23-2004, 06:34 AM
If you're new to online flying, there's a term you will soon come across and that is "vulching". Vulching is where you strafe parked, taxing, or taking off planes. Depending on personal definitions, it may also include firing at planes during the first few minutes of flight while the plane gains some speed and altitude. Of course it's difficult to proscribe just how long a plane should be left alone.

Vulching is usually frowned on as being unsportsmanlike and generally disruptive to play. It is likely to be explicitly forbidden in the briefing and to help guard against it, airfields are often heavily defended by AAA. If the rule against vulching is transgressed, especially repeatedly, server admins are likely to kick you. Then again, they may do nothing, it depends on the inclinations of the admin. Some servers will explicitly allow vulching or at least will stipulate that vulching can only be carried out by bombing or using rockets.

Personally, unless the mission is a historical full real mission where vulching would be appropriate I avoid vulching and will also leave planes that are landing alone. That ensures people can get into the air where they can demonstrate their skills (or lack of) and adds a degree of chivalry that we can all afford since no-one is loosing their life in this game.

Alexi

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hsj
02-25-2004, 03:08 AM
thanks for the replies, just what i need to know!

question: in hyperlobby, the dogfight list on the left, it seems truncated. The list goes from top to bottom but I get the feeling there are many more servers than the ones HyperLobby shows. Any way to scroll it?

Also, I tried All seeing Eye to find servers, didn't find any actually. I also clicked "Multiplayer" from IL2:FB main menu and tried using the ubi tool to find server but there seemd much fewer than in hyperlobby.

Is the community being split by different tools people use to find servers?

T_O_A_D
02-25-2004, 03:23 AM
To see all the hoston Hyper, Scroll down right side, users with the "H" in front are hosting.

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
131st_Toad's Squad link (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
2.11 drivers (http://home.mchsi.com/~131st-vfw/NaturalPoint_trackIR_2_11.exe)
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F19_Ob
02-25-2004, 04:31 AM
well Ive written some posts for online newbies......and I found an one post with some suggestions.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=98710634&r=89710634#89710634


strangely I wsnt able to find newer ones ????