View Full Version : how to avoid the constant rolling to the right in the 109

06-07-2004, 10:52 AM
i press ctrl+left and ctrl+z like 30 times each but the plane doesnt level what im doing wrong?

06-07-2004, 10:52 AM
i press ctrl+left and ctrl+z like 30 times each but the plane doesnt level what im doing wrong?

06-07-2004, 11:04 AM
I got that problem too, appears to be no trim available to fix it. I've just gotten used to it. Is it engine torque that produces this effect?

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06-07-2004, 11:07 AM
I got a little tired of the large number of keystrokes it took to trim everything out properly. What I do now is use the trim wheels on my joystick to trim out the large amounts of pitch and yaw, then use the trim tabs to fine-tune it.

Either way, make sure you have all of your trim tabs mapped (including ailerons) and double-check it again. 20+ clicks of trim aren't unusual.

Oops...I should have read the thread title more closely. Is this issue only present in the 109's for you?


06-07-2004, 11:10 AM
109 didnt have rudder trim
u need to cruise at a set speed and u wont roll
i dont know that speed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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06-07-2004, 11:14 AM
You can press those keys until the cows come home. The 109 has elevator trim only.


06-07-2004, 11:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by raaaid:
i press ctrl+left and ctrl+z like 30 times each but the plane doesnt level what im doing wrong?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That doesnt seem right!!....it shouldnt pull that much....It may be a stick sensitivity issue.

U may need to calibrate it.

A question: Do U have twist rudder or is it frequently used a long time (over 5 months)?
Well then its likely.

U might try this in the ingame sticksettings.
Pull down the two first parameters on aileron and rudder and the rest to a climbing scale.
This atleast helpt me on my older sticks.

On the 109's u should only have to adjust the elevator trim to stay level .
hope U sort it out.

[This message was edited by F19_Ob on Mon June 07 2004 at 02:31 PM.]

06-07-2004, 11:44 AM
Definetly a stick issue. I have three sticks: CH Flightstick, LogiTech 3D and MS2 Sidewinder. The MS and CH sticks required a calibration be done in Windows to fix the roll problem you described. The LogiTech never got fixed and I had to stop using it.

ps: the beautiful feature of the CH stick is a x and y axis rotary button to tweak xy issues but may cause drag in the game.

06-07-2004, 02:14 PM
Not a stick issue. No aileron or rudder trim on 109's.

As someone above mentioned, it's trimmed on the ground for "cruise power". Find cruise throttle setting and it will fly (more or less) straight.



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06-07-2004, 03:16 PM
Some 109 G14 actually had geared elevator and rudder trim. The ailerontrimtabs were there too like in other 109's but they were fixed ones. (I stand corrected on the aileron trim). I remember now that the finn ace Ilmari Juutilainen got his aileron knocked out of trim by debris from an enemy, and it had to be adjusted on the ground. When I think even harder I have only used aileron trim on p51's..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

What I meant with the stick settings is: If the stick isnt calibrated correctly or if u have twist rudder and/or it is worn, the twist thing might not return to deadcenter when released = rudder is still activated = the plane will roll ,yes it may, and especially if u add elevator. In this case its likely a stick issue.(Ive had it a few times)

he he, thanks for keeping me on the edge Tully. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif ooh... and u too Boltie, Buzzie and All.
hmmm....night now....ob too tired for brainwork....ahhh..sleep.

[This message was edited by F19_Ob on Mon June 07 2004 at 02:27 PM.]

06-07-2004, 04:06 PM
i get elivater flutter often, i guess its my stick
if i move stick it goes away

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06-07-2004, 05:17 PM
you can always buy a older stick with x and y trims on the stick, I dunno why they decide to make the 109s roll to the right, russian aircraft to the left and the us planes with perfectly centered ailerons and rudder at max power, and they can actually trim all surfaces which does help when shot in the wing.

http://www.ntrautanen.fi/computers/other/images/ch_flightstick_pro.jpg You can just get a gameport to usb adapter. Or make your own stick using the parts of the old ch sticks.

Oleg should make them all have centered axis and rudders or ability to choose, the people who only fly one plane just calibrate thier joystick off centered to line up perfectly in the aircraft they fly like the 109 or russian birds.

In this game the slightest offset rudder will make you loose 20-40kmph if not perfectly centered, and not everyone has rudder pedals.

and 80 trottle is cruise for the 109. Im sure every 109 was not adjust for cruise only on the ground.


06-07-2004, 08:10 PM
109 fixed trim tabs are set for level flight at ~400kmh IAS. Watch the slip gauge (ball) - at this speed you won't need rudder input to keep it centred.



06-07-2004, 08:11 PM
Excuse me, but 109s are supposed to roll to the right. Get used to it.

Have fun!

06-07-2004, 08:24 PM
The problem to the solution is so simple. Make your coffee before you take off. I had the same problem and that was my solution. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. I was aslo told before that the 109's tend to role to the right. The He-111 does the same, at least in this sim. I don't seem to have this problem with any other planes.

Fritz Franzen

06-07-2004, 10:02 PM
Or set a brick on the rudder pedal. How's it on the other side of the world, Fritz? Getting anywhere with your warbird quest?

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06-07-2004, 11:16 PM
I think the 'ground crews' (Oleg and Co.) got 109's trimmed up pretty nicely now. However if you use the 'autopilot' I think the sim forgets this ground trimming and thus you'll see the old 'out of trim' behavior. Solution: Don't use autopilot. However I've got no time to double check this, and I have relatively very few hours in the 109's, but I think this may be your problem.

06-07-2004, 11:29 PM
After flying a 109 around for a while in offline play (the only place where I am overly concerned about holding a set course) my left hand got sore from holding the rocker slightly off center on my throttle in all of the missions.

That little turn coordination indicator is one of my most used gauges in that damn plane, and its tiring to fly just because of this. Apparantly it was like that in real life as well so...

Cept your foot got tired instead of your hand.

Then I started a brewster campaign for the finns, talk about a nice plane to fly. Guess maybe cuz it was meant for naval use,flying a little of course over the ocean due to slight engine tourque = not a good thing.

I never knew it (109) was trimmed for a certain speed though.. Gotta try that 80% at 400 km/h thing and see if it works, need flight manuals with the planes in this game.

06-08-2004, 02:02 AM
Ahh..... after a good nights sleep I see this thread is still alive.
Hope u have U'r troubles fixed by now.....no?

As mentioned, all 109 should roll slightly but as u gain speed it should not be a problem( about 400km/h). Atleast on my stick it rolls very sowly even at low speeds and doesnt effect flying really. I have actually not thought about it bcause I started out with the 109 and kind of expected that this is the way a plane should behave,( he he)but I guess that if u are used to allied planes its more noticable? But....I have read that even the p51 needed quite a lot of rudder input to stay straight at slow speds..many allied planes did, exept for the p38.? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

06-08-2004, 02:35 AM
Hey wayno, long time no see. Right now things are a little slow due to a certain phase in my real job. I've been able to generate a little more interest and even support from those who make the decisions. My biggest problem is still organization. Wannabe participants seem to be a little busy at the moment. Just a slow period, that's all.

Fritz Franzen

06-08-2004, 03:01 AM
Once again another classy hit and run troll by raaaaid

Is there anything he doesn't doesn't know?