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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 09:51 PM
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/2328.htm

http://www.quadcityairshow.com/static_displays/static-pic/b-17.jpg

http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/images/b-17-flying-fortress-3.jpg

http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/gunner/b-17.jpg

Some additional historical facts about America's heroes:

A gunner had his arm blown off at the shoulder early in the mission. He would have bled to death if he stayed aboard so they put a ripcord in his good hand and dropped him out over Germany. The chute opened and the Krauts found and fixed him up and made him a POW.


The co-pilot who had to fight a brain-dead pilot who insisted on putting the plan into a dive. Intercom was out so he couldn't call for help. Besides, the waist, tail and radio gunners were passed out as their oxygen supply was shot up. Oh yeah, the windshield on the co-pilot's side was blown out so he had to keep his feet on his pedals but lean over to see out while he was holding on to the pilot. He did this for TWO HOURS before someone came forward. They continued the bomb run and got back safely.


A late war tactic was for all planes to drop their bombs when the lead aircraft did so - they had the best bombardiers. After one attack, the bombardier, stomach blown out, hung on to his bombsight and ordered "Bombs . . ." and silence. Another airman thought the intercom went out and finished "Away" and saved the mission. The bombardier had died in mid-sentence.


They don't make men like that anymore.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Message Edited on 07/03/0304:52PM by TaZ_Attack

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 09:51 PM
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/2328.htm

http://www.quadcityairshow.com/static_displays/static-pic/b-17.jpg

http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/images/b-17-flying-fortress-3.jpg

http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/gunner/b-17.jpg

Some additional historical facts about America's heroes:

A gunner had his arm blown off at the shoulder early in the mission. He would have bled to death if he stayed aboard so they put a ripcord in his good hand and dropped him out over Germany. The chute opened and the Krauts found and fixed him up and made him a POW.


The co-pilot who had to fight a brain-dead pilot who insisted on putting the plan into a dive. Intercom was out so he couldn't call for help. Besides, the waist, tail and radio gunners were passed out as their oxygen supply was shot up. Oh yeah, the windshield on the co-pilot's side was blown out so he had to keep his feet on his pedals but lean over to see out while he was holding on to the pilot. He did this for TWO HOURS before someone came forward. They continued the bomb run and got back safely.


A late war tactic was for all planes to drop their bombs when the lead aircraft did so - they had the best bombardiers. After one attack, the bombardier, stomach blown out, hung on to his bombsight and ordered "Bombs . . ." and silence. Another airman thought the intercom went out and finished "Away" and saved the mission. The bombardier had died in mid-sentence.


They don't make men like that anymore.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Message Edited on 07/03/0304:52PM by TaZ_Attack

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 10:38 PM
Wow....

Got anymore cool stories?

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 10:47 PM
I must have about 15 35mm snap shots of nine-o-nine b-17 when it was at my local airport for show. You know, a really young kit approx 18 yrs old was the pilot!! He had an older co-pilot maybe in 70's. Must be nice to have a muli-engine rating and be flying b-17's to boot.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 11:19 PM
tom_007007 wrote:
- I must have about 15 35mm snap shots of nine-o-nine
- b-17 when it was at my local airport for show. You
- know, a really young kit approx 18 yrs old was the
- pilot!! He had an older co-pilot maybe in 70's. Must
- be nice to have a muli-engine rating and be flying
- b-17's to boot.

Sounds like a very lucky 18 year old...

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:04 AM
I just flew in 9-0-9 about 2 weeks ago. It was an absolute blast. Took my WWII pilots helmet, complete with radio head gear in it and plugged it in. Could hear the pilot and tower talking back and forth. Got to hear the pilot talk about the landing gear problem when they were flying into Olympia, Washington.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:28 AM
"B-17: Chariot of heroes"? Gag unto me with a spoon.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:15 AM
*pokes the troll with a stick*

I've seen the Fuddy Duddy up close at the National Warplane Museum at Big Flats, NY... beautiful airplane. I can't imagine what it would've been to fly in one. Though it must've been a different experience flying a Fortress, knowing you're headed into enemy territory...

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:43 AM
I got to go inside either "Fuddy Duddy" or "Nine-O-Nine" a few years ago. Can't remember which one, will have to dig out the pics...

I had a customer a couple of years ago that was a B-17 pilot. He got shot down by FW190s over Belgium and became a POW after a belly landing. He said he was treated really well, especially since he was an officer.


http://people.aero.und.edu/~choma/lrg0645.jpg

"We are now in a position of inferiority...There is no doubt in my mind, nor in the minds of my fighter pilots, that the FW190 is the best all-round fighter in the world today."

Sholto Douglas, 17 July 1942

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:45 AM
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Message Edited on 07/03/0310:51PM by WereSnowleopard

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 05:19 AM
Taz, that "2 hour" story you told is the after mission report given by the first crew back in the movie "12 O'Clock High".

Also, that story about the guy they shoved out so the Germans would save him. A couple of guys in the original 100TH BG said that is a legend, a myth. We had a 100th BG reunion at our Warbirds convention in Dayton, 2001. We asked them alot of questions, and I remember that being one of them. It was asked because of that lousy movie "Memphis Belle".

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:43 AM
Hedus wrote:
- I remember that being one of them. It was asked
- because of that lousy movie "Memphis Belle".

The actual combat film shot of the Memphis Belle
is good, including the plane that came back missing
its glazed nose, although shocking when you realise
that someone died in that nose.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:56 AM
That's not actually the real footage. The real footage of it's 25th mission was destroyed in a fire mid-mission.

http://www.dodhq.net/~pmf/Seegz/Segal.bmp

There are two kinds of people in this world, those with loaded guns and those who dig. Start digging.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 12:44 PM
I highly recommend the book "Combat Crew", written by John Comer who was an NCO gunner and engineer on the B17s flyig from Britain.

Long time since I read it, but it covered the time before and after long range escort were in service.



Tony S