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Metallicaner
05-10-2004, 09:01 AM
I find it so hard to shoot down enemy planes with the Spit's weapons...

I've heard of British aces during WWII shooting down 5 - 6 aircrafts in one flight

Metallicaner
05-10-2004, 09:01 AM
I find it so hard to shoot down enemy planes with the Spit's weapons...

I've heard of British aces during WWII shooting down 5 - 6 aircrafts in one flight

SeaFireLIV
05-10-2004, 09:03 AM
Yes they do seem very weak, except for the cannons. With luck, the patch will change that.

heywooood
05-10-2004, 09:05 AM
are you getting close enough - the enemy plane should fill the windscreen.. not just the target reticle. you need to be close in..
Set convergence to 150 - 200 also... to maximize firepower.. short bursts are effective at this range.. save rounds for the next engagement.

adadaead
05-10-2004, 09:09 AM
Well actualy not realy the two hispano cannons are chopping germans wing pretty good its just if you hit the target everytime your with cannons then you could shut down 5 or 6 aircraft i usualy shut down about 3 or 4 in a campaign missions, but if you out of ammo those .50 cals will do nothing to germans fighters unless every bullet you fire hits the plane. BUT i easily shuted down about 5 aircraft in P-51 in a Single Mission. Actually those 50 cal will be good if there were people and horses on the ground like soldier collums and staff.



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tigerroach
05-10-2004, 09:11 AM
I thought the same thing about the bf109, then suddenly I started to wreak havoc with it. I think it is a combination of getting closer and having a steadier hand on the stick (experience flying the particular plane in question).

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Capt.LoneRanger
05-10-2004, 09:15 AM
Spitfire weapons weak? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Adjust convergence and wait until you have a sure kill. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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SeaFireLIV
05-10-2004, 09:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
are you getting close enough - the enemy plane should fill the windscreen.. not just the target reticle. you need to be close in..
Set convergence to 150 - 200 also... to maximize firepower.. short bursts are effective at this range.. save rounds for the next engagement.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think heywooods right actually. I do have my convergence set to 200 and find that if I get REALLY close I can even take a wing off at the root. I think mine and Metal`s problem comes from having to chase aircraft faster than the Spits and being left with little choice than to fire when we are as close as we`re gonna ever get (especially on the net).

salthill
05-10-2004, 09:18 AM
hey
you think the spits weak try the bf109 series w/o the 108mm now thats weak and i love the 109
spits always cut me up good and i'm not that bad a flier
ok i'll practice some
seeya

HamishUK
05-10-2004, 09:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adadaead:
Well actualy not realy the two hispano cannons are chopping germans wing pretty good its just if you hit the target everytime your with cannons then you could shut down 5 or 6 aircraft i usualy shut down about 3 or 4 in a campaign missions, but if you out of ammo those .50 cals will do nothing to germans fighters unless every bullet you fire hits the plane. BUT i easily shuted down about 5 aircraft in P-51 in a Single Mission. Actually those 50 cal will be good if there were people and horses on the ground like soldier collums and staff.



Only in the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.



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Actually the Spit uses .303 and not .50. They were a lot weaker than the .50's.

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Jetbuff
05-10-2004, 09:29 AM
What ARE you talking about? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Those hispanos are possibly the deadliest close range weapons in the game. Meanwhile, the MGs are a great spray and pray weapon, esp. against the hyper-vulnerable 109.

The spitfire's DM OTOH, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif now there's a truly concrete plane! Funny thing is that it's not even made of the fabled Delta-wood, or any other wood for that matter?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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LeadSpitter_
05-10-2004, 09:36 AM
the cannons are fine on the spit, the .303s are insanely weak in this game even the hurricane IIb with 12 of them, hurricane mk1 was know to take down he111s with a average of 40-60 hits and emils 20-30 to critically wound, also look at the short bursts they had to fire in not to overheat the barrels.

In the book The Battle of Britain: The Myth and the Reality by Richard Overy it states the mk1a spitfire used the .303 on 109s and saved the 20 mm cannon for the bombers. In fb you need the cannon for the fighters becuase of how weak the .303 is

It really makes you wonder how later in the war lancaster tail gunners shot down later 109s bf110c's and ju88s with 4 .303s in the tail.

It seems there is a problem with all small caliber weapons in this sim. The only ones that seem to explode aircraft in a few short bursts are the white small cal upper nose mounted smgs of yaks "white tracer"

with the bf110g2 attacking a huge group of b17s is like attacking c47s, you dont have to worry about nothing. I hope things get looked at. The hurricane has been overlooked for a very long time. In 1.0 it was silly and had an uber climb but its been severly dogged where its no match for a 41 lag p40 emil4 i153 or i16 and the hurricanes desperately need thier ordinances and we need the mk5 which russia had as a lend lease aircraft. tank buster rockets and 40mm gunpods

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Metallicaner
05-10-2004, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
are you getting close enough - the enemy plane should fill the windscreen.. not just the target reticle. you need to be close in..
Set convergence to 150 - 200 also... to maximize firepower.. short bursts are effective at this range.. save rounds for the next engagement.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How do you set the converge??

NorrisMcWhirter
05-10-2004, 10:30 AM
Hi,

I don't think the Spit's guns are too weak at all.

In QMB, a short burst of .303 will typically set most E4s smoking - you just have to hit the right place which is very easy in something as manoverable as a Spit.

The Hispanos are absolutely devastating, even if you can get a hit at long range. 9 times out of 10 I will take a wing root off with them and they are also good because of the relatively low rate of fire..i.e. you can measure your shots quite nicely.

Although I mostly fly LW, the Spit is definately growing on me, even if it is a comparatively slow .

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Jetbuff
05-10-2004, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Metallicaner:
How do you set the converge??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Whoops! There's the problem right there... Go to "Arming" screen (or "Aircraft Customization" in QMB) right before you hit fly and you can set convergence, fusing and much more.

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clint-ruin
05-10-2004, 10:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
It seems there is a problem with all small caliber weapons in this sim. The only ones that seem to explode aircraft in a few short bursts are the white small cal upper nose mounted smgs of yaks "white tracer"
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Um, the Yaks that fire "white tracer" are shooting UB 12.7mms at you. You know - heavier rounds than the .50 cal Browning [48 vs 43g], with twice as much incendiary load? The ShVAK cannons will also alternate spitting out white/coloured tracers as well, though they all leave a smoke trail.

You need to compare the .30 / .303 / 7.92mm MG17 with the 7.62mm ShKAS - green tracers. Though the ShKAS has much higher ROF and higher MV than the .303 and 7.92mm MG17.

As for rifle cal aiming - don't expect them to do anything unless you whack engine systems, the engine or pilot with them. Funnily enough that's exactly what the real life pilots were told to shoot at as well ..

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DONB3397
05-10-2004, 10:44 AM
The Spitfire and 109Gs are my current favorite rides. With convergence at 250 or less in the Spit, the impact of the MG's and canon seem about the same in both planes. But, given the same stick settings, the 109 is a more stable gun platform IMO.

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El Turo
05-10-2004, 11:01 AM
Also, if I'm not mistaken, the MGs on the Spitfire MkV are outboard of the cannons, making their grouping poor (all four of them little .303 guys).

Set the 4xMGs in close to 100m to concentrate their limited fire and keep the twin hispano cannons at 200-250 to slow down your prey or land a disabling Hispano hit(s) at longer range.

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John_Stag
05-10-2004, 11:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
the cannons are fine on the spit, the .303s are insanely weak in this game even the hurricane IIb with 12 of them, hurricane mk1 was know to take down he111s with a average of 40-60 hits and emils 20-30 to critically wound, also look at the short bursts they had to fire in not to overheat the barrels.

In the book The Battle of Britain: The Myth and the Reality by Richard Overy it states the mk1a spitfire used the .303 on 109s and saved the 20 mm cannon for the bombers. In fb you need the cannon for the fighters becuase of how weak the .303 is


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Grretings all. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Leadspitter, the book you cite is innacurrate.

The Spitfire "a" types were only equipped with .303 brownings; eight of them like the Hurricane. A cannon-armed siptfire, the Mk.1b took part in the Battle of Britain, but it was so unsuccessful that it was withdrawn after only two weeks. it's only armament was two hispano cannons which were so hurredly installed that they almost inevitably jammed. Despite this, George Unwin became the only person to shoot any aircraft down in a Mk.1b; one on the first day the 1b flew in combat, and one when they were taken off the line.

As for the effect of the .303 weapons, it wasn't unusual for British fighters to empty their belts into German bombers without apparrent effect; they were not that devastating at all; even though a lot of the German aircraft managed to get back across the channel before giving up the ghost.

I would say the damage models are just about right.

LeadSpitter_
05-10-2004, 11:32 AM
clint and you think that 2 suppost to be more devasting then 4 .50 or yet 6 even 8???, explosive incendiary? dont forget ther was AP piercing .50. or 12 .303 your sadly mistaking?

yes it was slightly more powerful however theres only two. Im sure you've seen them explode 190s into pieces at ridiculous range with no cannon.

Both guns fired 13 rounds per second, but the ShVAK cannon put out 1.28 kg and the machinegun 0.64 kg: A total of 1.92 kg/sec. Muzzle power was 473 kW for the ShVAK and 230 kW for the UBS, a total of 703 kW.
The Yakovlev fighters had a high performance at low and medium altitude, but their small size and limited engine power restricted their armament. The Lavochkin fighters, although also small, had more engine power and could carry heavier armament. To some extent these disadvantages were compensated by the excellence of the Soviet guns, but their effectiveness was reduced by the primitive gunsights

check this site out im sure you seen it but its from the book ballistics of wwii which i own.

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In this sim the soviet weapons are easiest to aim especial at long distance, 1.0 .60 away they cause devatsting destruction while all the others you have to be very close .30 or closer. You know what your talking about so I assume you understand my point. I seen video of the power of the .50 cal shooting thru a 1 foot concrete wall at 500m, just imagine what what 6 or 8 with perfect covergence would do to a fragile aircraft.

Bud anderson said it best, the .50 cal was designed to shoot down heavily armored fighters the cannon was designed for ground attack and bombers,even gunther rall explains how much harder cannon was to aim especially with different sync then the machine guns.

cannon should be alot harder to get hits with too then .50 in this game cannon aircraft are far more accurate without a doubt especially at long range you can see exactly where they go

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Kurfurst__
05-10-2004, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
the cannons are fine on the spit, the .303s are insanely weak in this game even the hurricane IIb with 12 of them, hurricane mk1 was know to take down he111s with a average of 40-60 hits and emils 20-30 to critically wound, also look at the short bursts they had to fire in not to overheat the barrels.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not really, the .30 and co. rifle caliber rounds were too week by WW2 standards, a conclusion everybody arrived at. Problem with them was that was no chance of causing stuctural failures, they had to rely on hitting stg important, like pilot, fuel tank or engine. But by 1940 on most planes these parts were protected by armor plates, that could reliable defeat ,303 rounds, so the it was more of a matter of luck to score with these weapons. If you were lucky, you hit a control cable or something, but you could just as well empty your entire magazine into the enemy plane and it would still RTB, perhaps was written down afterwards, but the crew was saved. I know of a He 111 that managed to return to base with 1000+ ,303 holes in it, and the crew was alive, even some of them being wounded. Another case, 109E took little over 300 hits, it went downas one lucky hit cut control cables, but otherwise it was rather intact.. But even as early as the Spanish civil war, Russians, German alike complained about rifle calibler weapons being virtually ineffective etc. The smallest useful caliber was 12,7-13mm, largely because it had enough force to have chance to penetrate armor of the planes and hit the vitals. With .303, the effect was too uncertain, too random.


As for the Spit weapons in AEP, the only problem is small ammo of only 60 round, the MkIX will improve that somewhat. But the Hispano is modelled deadly, IMHO a bit too good, its an isntant wing remover, though it might be I am hitting the wing spar constantly. We will see if the new patch will make the other 20mm cannons just as good in this respect. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Certainly it was like this before AEP appeared, in the last FB versions 20mm cannons reliably teared off wings. The ,303s alone are useless, but thats what I expect, they are only good for golden BB shots, hitting the pilot etc. just like on other planes (try shooting down 109s with Ratas...). But I think its OK this way. The only problem is if you are not a so good shot and miss often, you may run out of ammo quickly. Successfull combat in the Spit takes good aiming skills and patience to get close enough so that the gun shaking would not count in degrading accuracy. It also worths to aim a little above the target, Hispanos tend to lower the planes nose, perhaps because of their way of installment.

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VVanks
05-10-2004, 12:13 PM
Hispano's are killer weapons? What are you talking about?

I went Hispano crazy and hit the guy 4 times. I could see the explosions. Yet, he was intact. Then I punctured a load of holes with my MG's and still, nothing happened. Not even a fuel leak. I was like WTF!!! 10 more MG hits and nothing. Then one hit with the Hispano again and he blew to bits. Really weird day. Then I asked him online, and he told me I hit him, and he could only see hole appearing. It was weird. Spits Machine guns are way too useless. I'd switch those machine guns for more ammo for the Hispano any day.

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VVanks
05-10-2004, 12:23 PM
However, the p51's MG's are surprisingly useful. I can down a plane in around 5~10 sparks (hits).

But when it comes to bombers, stay away from either of these planes. I have still, to this day, unable to down a bomber with these measily weapons. (not including the Hispano cannon)

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Aaron_GT
05-10-2004, 01:26 PM
Leadspitter:
At close range (say 100m) the 4 .50s of the P51B
should have about the same punch as as the 12
.303s of the Hurricane IIb. The 8 guns of the
Spitfire are going to be worth about 2 1/2
.50s, or perhaps two synchro UBs on a soviet
fighter (less convergence issues with centreline
armament). (I mention the UB equivalence since
the M2s have that nasty dispersion currently
you'd have a hard time giving a good comparasion
between the P51B and Hurri IIb).

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-10-2004, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adadaead:
Well actualy not realy the two hispano cannons are chopping germans wing pretty good its just if you hit the target everytime your with cannons then you could shut down 5 or 6 aircraft i usualy shut down about 3 or 4 in a campaign missions, but if you out of ammo those .50 cals will do nothing to germans fighters unless every bullet you fire hits the plane. BUT i easily shuted down about 5 aircraft in P-51 in a Single Mission. Actually those 50 cal will be good if there were people and horses on the ground like soldier collums and staff.



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The spitfire in the game has a "C" wing, wich contains one 20mm Hispano cannon and two .303' guns. No .50, be sure. The "E" wing has a .50 instead of the two .303's.

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Curly_109
05-10-2004, 02:02 PM
try than hurri MkI http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif... with that thing u cannot shoot anything (uops, when u set conv. to 150m and fire at range 150m or less and you'll see that spit & hurri rocks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif). spitfire however is short in cannon rounds so be carefull.

VW-IceFire
05-10-2004, 02:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by adadaead:
Well actualy not realy the two hispano cannons are chopping germans wing pretty good its just if you hit the target everytime your with cannons then you could shut down 5 or 6 aircraft i usualy shut down about 3 or 4 in a campaign missions, but if you out of ammo those .50 cals will do nothing to germans fighters unless every bullet you fire hits the plane. BUT i easily shuted down about 5 aircraft in P-51 in a Single Mission. Actually those 50 cal will be good if there were people and horses on the ground like soldier collums and staff.



Only in the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.



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The spitfire in the game has a "C" wing, wich contains one 20mm Hispano cannon and two .303' guns. No .50, be sure. The "E" wing has a .50 instead of the two .303's.

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Actually the one in the game is a B type arrangement. Some or most Mark V's were eventually re-armed with the C type.

There is no armament difference between the B and C type except that the wing has provisions for two 20mm cannons instead of just one...that was rarely ever used. Also had the provisions for the .303 machine guns which were almost always armed.

So essentially it goes like this:

B Type Armament:
4x.303
2x20mm (with 60 rpg)

C Type Armament:
4x.303
2x20mm (with 120 rpg)

E Type Armament:
2x.50cal (inboard)
2x20mm (outboard with 120 rpg)

The C and E type we'll see on the upcoming Spitfire IX.

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Arm_slinger
05-10-2004, 02:50 PM
I cant see the C winging getting much use. It would be nice though if we had the option to add the two extra 20mm's, but get the reduction in performance etc

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05-10-2004, 09:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Metallicaner:
Is it me or is the Spitfire weapons VERY weak?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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ImpStarDuece
05-11-2004, 12:41 AM
Personally i find the Spitfire weapon set up just about perfect. The mix of weapons has allowed me to learn how to hit effectively with both MG's and cannons, desptie their differenty ballistic profiles. The Spit has actually significantlly improved my gunnery in FB.

I can get bomber kills with the Hispanos quite effectively, shearing off engines and controll surfaces. Similarly, the 20mms are highly effective (maybe just a shade too effective, but only by a hair) against fighters, ruining rudders, tails and starting fires in engines and wing tanks. Dont know about shearing off wings, maybe i'm not THAT good a sniper yet.

The limited loadout of 20mm ammo -60 rounds gives about 5 seconds of firing time- makes scoring kills an art, pefect sniper shots are so satisfying when a 1/2 second burst rips perfectly into the fuselage of an 109.

As for the .303 i seem to be one of the few here who has no trouble getting kills with them. For some reason i seem they seem to be more deadly for me than the 8 or 12 MGs on the Hurricane, not that i fly it that much mind you. The are a really good spray and pray weapon in a turning fight.

As for convergence, i tend to set my cannons to about 175m, that way i can get solid hits anywhere between 250m to 100m, any closer and you risk an overshoot. I will go against the grain and say that the .303s are better set to 300-350m convergence. I find that they are superior weapons for high deflection shots. I will often spay shots in front of my target (only if he knows im there) forcing him to react, usually into a break or dive and allowing me to gain superior positioning to use my 20mms on him.

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IAFS_Painter
05-11-2004, 02:02 AM
The Spit in the right hands is superbe.
But it takes practice - lots of practice.

I'm not the best shot out there (understatement) but I can take down a 109 with MG
Against a 190, you need to know how to aim, and where (hump over engine I gather)- my shooting isn't up to this.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
05-11-2004, 07:02 AM
the 303s seem good enough for me if you get in close you can take out 190s with a good spray over the engine/cockpit and the engine is on fire i have had this happen 80% of the time when a spit was on my six and was very close

well and i hate it when people whine about .50calls and 303s bcus if you fly lim planesets allies vs axis there is no problem other then dispersion
the 109 is easy to take down with 50calls 303 and the hispanos , a good burst of any of this weapons will criple the 109

and the 50calls are heaven i can take out 5+ 109s in 1 online sortie just make sure you are close enough and have a bit of deflection


on the other hand the spit can take 6+ mk108s and fly on with a fuel tank leak and a silly hole in its wing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

oh and my record of mk108s hits on a P63 was 35 inlcuding those from my squadmates
im not gonna start about the MG151
that thing is useless against stangs spits and P63s

at the moment 4 50calls hits on a 109 has the same effect of 4 mk108s on a stang and spit
12.7mm vs 30mm LMAO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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nixon-fiend.
05-11-2004, 07:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>on the other hand the spit can take 6+ mk108s and fly on with a fuel tank leak and a silly hole in its wing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

oh and my record of mk108s hits on a P63 was 35 inlcuding those from my squadmates
im not gonna start about the MG151
that thing is useless against stangs spits and P63s

at the moment 4 50calls hits on a 109 has the same effect of 4 mk108s on a stang and spit
12.7mm vs 30mm LMAO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Nah. The spit isn't any tougher than any other plane.. It falls apart easily enough.

And pre-AEP 109s were indeed weak - but i have to disagree cos now they are like tanks, I have shot 4(!!) 37mm hits (p39 cannon) into one wing of a 109 before it broke off.

Although I do agree the '63 is seemingly protected by plasma shielding.

Kurfurst__
05-11-2004, 10:28 AM
I think I can tell you as much as that the fact and the reason of laughalbly strong planes/impotent cannon shells is known to Oleg and team.

Everything will be fine with the patch, like in good ole times. 'Be sure'.

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field".
- Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. Febuary 1945.

"One day a Tiger Royal got within 150 yards of my tanks and knocked me out. Five of our tanks opened up on him at ranges of 200 to 600 yards and got 5 or 6 hits on the front of the Tiger. They all just glanced off and the Tiger backed off and got away. If we had a tank like that Tiger, we would all be home today."
- Sgt. Clyde D. Brunson, US Army, Tank Commander, February 1945

JG27_Dacripler
05-11-2004, 02:15 PM
Not at all to say the least ! The Hispanos do a nicejob in ripping apart wings and knocking out motors pretty quick. ( I have been on the receiving end in my 109 airplane! ) Some folks just keep shooting the .303 all in the WRONG places which I can safely say is attributed pilot error. The person who uses the .303 wisely will shoot at my canopy and try to get a pilot kill which does the trick every time. The .303 may not do physical damage to an aircraft but it certainly can drain blood out of a pilot quick.

WUAF_Badsight
05-11-2004, 05:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nixon-fiend.:

Nah. The spit isn't any tougher than any other plane.. It falls apart easily enough.

And pre-AEP 109s were indeed weak - but i have to disagree cos now they are like tanks,
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Nixon ....... you really need to fly Axis more dude

your so wrong

Bearcat99
05-11-2004, 07:30 PM
I read recently an account of a Spitfire pilot saying they set thier convergence to 250 yars... or 228.6 meters. The Spit is quite a powerfrull weapon if you practice. It is hard to fully judge a plane's weaponn's performance from online flying IMO. Lag and other issues come into play that can skew an accurate assessment of the planes puch.

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