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triggerhappyfin
08-10-2004, 05:39 PM

triggerhappyfin
08-10-2004, 05:39 PM

M.R.Maiornikov
08-10-2004, 06:05 PM
i don't rally understand what you mean.You say there is not enough planes or you don't want PF to take FB place.If it's the second, i totally agreen with you,as a russian,i really don't want to fly a pacific battle.

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BaldieJr
08-10-2004, 06:15 PM
You have one of two choices:

Create a lot of free-flowing entertainment money in your country (thereby taking the market away from the entertainment-rich US).

Create the game you desire.

I'm sure neither are what you wanted to hear, so I'll add this:

I'm very sorry for you.

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lookatsix
08-10-2004, 06:16 PM
Agree with you

S good vote )))

M.R.Maiornikov
08-10-2004, 06:21 PM
Are you talking to me or triggerhappyfin.As for me i heard that PF won't exclude other planes present in FB so i must say i'm quite happy(i could still fly my loved russian planes)http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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WTE_Dukayn
08-10-2004, 06:29 PM
I can't imagine Oleg excluding the planes from FB, from what I've read about PF it's more of an addon than anything, something that supplements FB, not replaces it.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IV_JG51_Prien
08-10-2004, 06:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You have one of two choices:

Create a lot of free-flowing entertainment money in your country (thereby taking the market away from the entertainment-rich US).

Create the game you desire.

I'm sure neither are what you wanted to hear, so I'll add this:

I'm very sorry for you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


All I have to say is..

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p1ngu666
08-10-2004, 06:59 PM
med would be cool
AND america was evolved in that to some extent

Tjechoslovacya &lt; wheres that or was? never heard of it, but my geography isnt that hot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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BaldieJr
08-10-2004, 07:14 PM
I'm with the positronic one: the med is where its at, from a game-play/make-all-happy standpoint.

But, when the vote was made available, the overwhelming majority wanted the pacific. Go figure.

IV_JG51_Prien: Don't shoot the messegner. I just state the facts, and I even made a point of explaining how I don't like it any more than anyone else.

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LEXX_Luthor
08-10-2004, 07:50 PM
For gameplay, Eastern Front is what you want with short range frontline tactical missions.

8th AF you don't want, that's why they ask for Space Warp and HyperSpace Jump for those sims.

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basdirks
08-10-2004, 07:55 PM
I think PF is more interesting, but i would still buy any add-ons about the eastern front.

LW_lcarp
08-10-2004, 08:08 PM
And i just wasted a half hour of my life watching the rubberband man http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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heywooood
08-10-2004, 08:15 PM
think of it as a two way street..obviously many Western WWII combat aviation buffs were drawn to the Il2 original title inspite of the fact that, to us, the conflict was obscure..

But as more of us were drawn into it and became more interested - books were purchased and information was and is exchanged on forums like this one.

The influence of the west to have more of the conflict included that we were familiar with was a natural progression probably planned from the outset by 1c... believe me - it has not caused me to forget about the Forgotten Battles...but to include them whenever I think of WWII, something I would not have done in all the years before Il2 so...

As I wait for PF to be released, I have seen many threads here and on the German boards and the RU as well where the people are looking forward to flying in the PTO - ofcourse there are a few here and there that say they wont fly it- just as many westerners have said that since AEP they have not flown any Eastern front stuff....meh these are close-minded individuals and nothing can change them.. it is their loss. Why not get to know the whole story?...Flying these sims is only part of the package..then you want to know about the pilots and their stories , the weapons and the tactics...the meat and taters of it all.

BoB and The Med are going to be great too - ALL of it.



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BaldieJr
08-10-2004, 08:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
And i just wasted a half hour of my life watching the rubberband man http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"If winning isnt everything why do they keep score"
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Jasko76
08-11-2004, 01:11 AM
Well, if PF includes everything FB has and is, then there is no point in playing FB any more, right?

Personally, I can't wait for PF to arrive, simply for all the new cool features we'll have - imagine flying a Spit with an open cockpit! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Freefalldart
08-11-2004, 02:28 AM
Surely PF is going to be a great add-on for FB, but as someone pointed out above, is going to be a product oriented to the American market. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

In my oppinion a lot of Americans think that they only fought in the Pacific and in a "place called Normandy maybe in France" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifduring WWII.
They completely ignore that they learnt some hard lessons in the Mediterranean theater before Normandy. They learnt to fight against Germans there.

Moreover, how many flight simulators are based in the Pacific theater?, how many in the Med?. Mediterranean theater has a lot more posibilities than the Pacific. More kinds of terrains, all kind of missions, more nations involved, carrier operations... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

It's just an oppinion, I'll probably buy PF in a future, but if it were "Mediterranean Fighters" I couldn't wait for it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You would be surprised at how many Non Americans or Japanese for that matter are looking forward to a Pacific sim. Im just glad that there will be more than one install option. Id buy anything 1C puts out in this franchise sight unseen anyway but it is noice to have the option to go from the Pac to the Med to the ETO all on the same engine. As far as Americans forgetting about the Med I disagree.... dont forget Anzio and the invasion of Sicily was the Med and that is pretty well remembered. We do Med missions all the time. What 1C needs to do is make the last patch or add on for FB maps.. nothing but maps.... accurate ones...... that would not only round out the sim but it would also give it an even more indelible place in flight sim history. Plus even if the engine were different they could probably use some of the same maps or at least the templates in BoB.

[This message was edited by Bearcat99 on Wed August 11 2004 at 05:41 AM.]

Nanuk66
08-11-2004, 02:45 AM
'Tjechoslovacya &lt; wheres that or was? never heard of it, but my geography isnt that hot'

I think we know it as Czechoslovakia.

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Freefalldart
08-11-2004, 02:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Tjechoslovacya &lt; wheres that or was? never heard of it, but my geography isnt that hot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is Checoslovaquia for us, the Spanish people. Actually it is divided into two different countries, Eslovaquia and Rep√¬ļblica Checa.
Rep√¬ļblica Checa has a great football (soccer for you, Americans) team. Probably the best of the recent Eurocup (at least I enjoyed its playing very much). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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triggerhappyfin
08-11-2004, 04:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M.R.Maiornikov:
i don't rally understand what you mean.You say there is not enough planes or you don't want PF to take FB place.If it's the second, i totally agreen with you,as a russian,i really don't want to fly a pacific battle.

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I welcome PF of all my hart! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

It‚¬īs the "forgotten" aspect of this sim what I‚¬īm missing.
We‚¬īve gotten the Normandy map, the desert map and now will get a lot of maps depicting pacific part of war.

Please note that I‚¬īm not against this but the "forgotten battles" is what I‚¬īm longing for.

Previously I forgot to mention the China part of the war - After PF is out most of the planes for that theatre of war will be present but will we have maps for it?

How wonderfull would‚¬īnt it be to be able to simulate all these forgotten battles??

If there‚¬īs enough planes?

No if the "forgotten battles" as I describe it in this poll should be emphasized.

Lots of planes from early years missing as flyable for instance the French.

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triggerhappyfin
08-11-2004, 04:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
You have one of two choices:

Create a lot of free-flowing entertainment money in your country (thereby taking the market away from the entertainment-rich US).

Create the game you desire.


I'm sure neither are what you wanted to hear, so I'll add this:

I'm very sorry for you.

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You‚¬īr right- this is not what I want to hear! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Top of the art American chauvinism!

Thinkin in terms of free-flowing entertainment money, size of market and skills in use of computers and software development, my opinion is:

US is a midget compared to Europe and Asia!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

Besides that the Russian and Asian markets beeing the ones that grow and prosper!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Heads-on firing was not a safe practice after all ?
Jussi Huotari: It was not specially recommended‚.....
And later, as the Russians were armed with 20mm cannons, it was unwise to meet them heads-on

triggerhappyfin
08-11-2004, 04:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freefalldart:
Surely PF is going to be a great add-on for FB, but as someone pointed out above, is going to be a product oriented to the American market. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

In my oppinion a lot of Americans think that they only fought in the Pacific and in a "place called Normandy maybe in France" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifduring WWII.
They completely ignore that they learnt some hard lessons in the Mediterranean theater before Normandy. They learnt to fight against Germans there.

Moreover, how many flight simulators are based in the Pacific theater?, how many in the Med?. Mediterranean theater has a lot more posibilities than the Pacific. More kinds of terrains, all kind of missions, more nations involved, carrier operations... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

It's just an oppinion, I'll probably buy PF in a future, but if it were "Mediterranean Fighters" I couldn't wait for it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"Cuando un loco parece totalmente sensato es hora de ponerle la camisa de fuerza"
Edgar Allan Poe (1809-1849)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to forget the hard lesson European countries and Sovjet learned in Early war.

They fought against a new doctrin of warfare the German HQ managed to wage.

The wery same doctrin adopted by Allies,and used against Germany and Japan,when the lesson was learned.

Don‚¬īt forget the struggle US troops went through lerning it either.

The cost of this learning was the bloodied European/Sovjet nose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif.

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Heads-on firing was not a safe practice after all ?
Jussi Huotari: It was not specially recommended‚.....
And later, as the Russians were armed with 20mm cannons, it was unwise to meet them heads-on

Freefalldart
08-11-2004, 07:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
You have one of two choices:

Create a lot of free-flowing entertainment money in your country (thereby taking the market away from the entertainment-rich US).

Create the game you desire.


I'm sure neither are what you wanted to hear, so I'll add this:

I'm very sorry for you.

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You‚¬īr right- this is not what I want to hear! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

_Top of the art American chauvinism!_

Thinkin in terms of free-flowing entertainment money, size of market and skills in use of computers and software development, my opinion is:

US is a midget compared to Europe and Asia!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

Besides that the Russian and Asian markets beeing the ones that grow and prosper!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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CaptArnold
08-11-2004, 08:32 AM
I would Personally like to see a flight sim dedicated to the Mediteranian theatre of Operations with an emphasis on the Regia Aeronautica and its aircraft. Nobody has paid any attention to this airforce and its aircraft (except Oleg in IL2- in a limited sense) in the realm of combat flight sims. Well that was my 2 lira thrown in. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/sonar.gif

BaldieJr
08-11-2004, 09:30 AM
triggerhappyfin:

Chauvinism? Interesting.

Would you care to back up your opinion (your own words) with sales data?

I'm guessing you wont.

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triggerhappyfin
08-11-2004, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
triggerhappyfin:

Chauvinism? Interesting.

Would you care to back up your _opinion_ (your own words) with sales data?

I'm guessing you wont.

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No point doing that..Chauvinism talkin for it self.

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Heads-on firing was not a safe practice after all ?
Jussi Huotari: It was not specially recommended‚.....
And later, as the Russians were armed with 20mm cannons, it was unwise to meet them heads-on

Stretch_ACL_
08-11-2004, 04:41 PM
Not to completely get off topic on this thread but whats the deal with Americans always being stereotyped as chauvanistic and arrogant etc. I don't get it. I seem to notice alot of threads boil down to name calling and general stereotyping amongst people from different countries.
I'm American. I don't really take offense to the steroetyping but it does get old after a while to be referred to as arrogant or a Yankee (I'm from the South I'm no Yankee!). I don't believe its arrogance so much as pride. Most Americans are proud of who they are and where they come from. I'm not saying that others are not proud as well but it seems that our sense of pride is very strong for our country. I had a French roomate for a year and that was an eye opening experience. He held the same stereotypes as alot of the others I have seen here but by the time he went home he realized his assumptions had been completely unfounded. He realized that its not arrogance or chauvanism but pride. Kids are taught from their first days in school to be proud of their country and to say the pledge and to learn about where the are from. Its something that is instilled in us.
Not trying to stir up a debate. I was merely making an observation and giving an opinion.

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carguy_
08-11-2004, 04:54 PM
Sure,I bought FB not to play another wwestern front sim but to uncover most of unknown theaters.


It`s almost certain that we`ll have to wait for Oleg to make a decision for BoB to expand to those.

Now I`m flying LW but in BoB I will have problem fighting with 303.

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-11-2004, 05:24 PM
Well, from reading this thread, it seems most of you don't actually understand what it is that Fin is saying.

(Although I might have it wrong as well!!)

Basically, he is saying that the forgotten conflicts of the early war like Khalkin Gol, Operation White (invasion of Poland by Germany), the Soviet Finnish Winter War, Battle of France, Spanish Civil War, Greece campaign, etc, are the ones that he would like to see focussed on in the future, including more maps and more earlier aircraft.

I agree most definately. I would love to see the early campaigns depicted.

But I doubt it will be done on the FB engine for the simple reason that it looks like it is being done for the BoB engine. There are two projects underway right now which are possibly going to be added as one add on for the BoB engine known as Blitzkrieg. The campaigns that will be depicted are the Polish campaign 1939, and the Battle of France.

http://www.9-1939.pl/

http://www.france-simulation.com/bof/

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Stretch_ACL_
08-11-2004, 05:46 PM
P.S.- As soon as you Yanks realise that Scotland is not a colony of England, then I'll stop calling you Yanks!!!

As soon as you realize we do then I'll stop calling you a Tommie! lol

Honestly you should really learn some history before you call all Americans Yankees. It could be considered insulting to some as I mentioned earlier.

In all honesty the name calling is a bit absurd.

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-11-2004, 05:55 PM
Eh, well, believe it or not, the majority of us (at least the folks that I know) are aware of the US civil war, and the name of Yankee being used to refer to the northern state dwellers, as opposed to those who dwelt in "Dixieland" (BTW, I am 100% supportive of the protests lodged about not being able to flying the dixie flag - it goes hand in hand with policy not to fly the Saltire on St Andrew's day!!).

But you must also remember that "Americans" is not the "correct" term either as that would in fact refer to everyone living in the continents of North America and South America.

And also notice I used the term "Yank", which was the general term used to describe US soldiers by the british during WWII, and probably the european countries as well (not sure on that one).

But anyway, back on topic, do you wanna see earlier campaigns depicted in future add-ons or stand alones???

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Stretch_ACL_
08-11-2004, 06:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Eh, well, believe it or not, the majority of us (at least the folks that I know) are aware of the US civil war, and the name of Yankee being used to refer to the northern state dwellers, as opposed to those who dwelt in "Dixieland" (BTW, I am 100% supportive of the protests lodged about not being able to flying the dixie flag - it goes hand in hand with policy not to fly the Saltire on St Andrew's day!!).

But you must also remember that "Americans" is not the "correct" term either as that would in fact refer to everyone living in the continents of North America and South America.

And also notice I used the term "Yank", which was the general term used to describe US soldiers by the british during WWII, and probably the european countries as well (not sure on that one).
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, its great that many people are up to par on world history not just their own country's history.

I was just giving you a hard time. But I don't know of any other countries that refer to themselves as Americans although technically your right in that we are all Americans here in the majority of the Western Hemisphere.

On topic: Just give me more planes and more immersion and I'm good to go no matter what theater. I'm an airplanefanatic. I fly real a/c, build model airplanes and read anything I can get my hands on concerning aviation. And if I'm lucky andthingswork out, when I'm done with college I'll be launching off of carriers in a Super Hornet.

M.R.Maiornikov
08-11-2004, 09:07 PM
HAHA man from your post alot of people have different needs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I for myself satisfied it already with the original il-2 and AEP.Hope some day you'll get what you wanthttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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BaldieJr
08-11-2004, 10:18 PM
Yurp aint no country but we gots Yurps.

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I can't believe anyone would make any sort of comment about Americans and Americans. That sounds like it should be a Monty Python skit.

John Cleese Voice:
Right. We shall fight oppression of our peoples by being called AMERICANS, while those who reside in the before mentioned nation shall be called UNITED-STATES-OF-AMERICA-ANS. Furthermore, it is every AMERICANS (and non AMERICANS) right to be called AMERICAN, while those in the AMERICAS, residing in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, shall not maintain this same right, but shall instead have the right to be called UNITED-STATES-OF-AMERICA-ANs. And let it also be known that we AMERICANS recognise the rights of UNITED-STATES-OF-AMERICA-ANs to be called such, but will not tolerate thier claiming to be AMERICANS as they clearly are not such (except in the geograpical sense which is irrelevant to our cause). Any questions?

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wayno7777
08-11-2004, 10:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CaptArnold:
I would Personally like to see a flight sim dedicated to the Mediteranian theatre of Operations with an emphasis on the Regia Aeronautica and its aircraft. Nobody has paid any attention to this airforce and its aircraft (except Oleg in IL2- in a limited sense) in the realm of combat flight sims. Well that was my 2 lira thrown in. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/sonar.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The only one I can think of is the Desert Air War mod for EAW.

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triggerhappyfin
08-12-2004, 12:43 AM
I‚¬īm so sorry because I let my self answer on Baldies posting.

But the following posting sounded so chauvinistic an arrogant to me:

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Originally posted by BaldieJr:
You have one of two choices:

Create a lot of free-flowing entertainment money in your country (thereby taking the market away from the entertainment-rich US).

Create the game you desire.


I'm sure neither are what you wanted to hear, so I'll add this:

I'm very sorry for you.

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And after a posting like that be surprised it beeing taken for chauvinism - Surprices me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

This is the end of chauvinism discussion for me, I will not respond on it any more in this thread.

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Jasko76
08-12-2004, 12:53 AM
To triggerhappyfinn -

don't take it too personally, my northern friend! We all know what Baldie is like, and his love for making jokes of Europe. What do you expect from a guy that woted for Bush?!?

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BaldieJr
08-12-2004, 01:28 AM
Wrong again... both of you.

Thats what kills me about you hyper-sensitive types. You make assumptions based on your own prejudices and then attempt to project those prejudices onto others... crying "foul" all the way.

Great work.

Now I'll explain what I said.

You aren't going to get what you want because dumb-**** Americans want Hellcats and P-51's. They spend more money on games than any nation on the planet and thats just how it is.

UNLESS...

You get off your whiney duffs and write a sim that interests you (I KNOW! THE CONCEPT IS FRIKKEN AMAZING!)

AND!

I truly do feel for people outside the US because every stinking game that comes down the pipe is US-centric... I can imagine how frustrating it is to never see your own nations heros depicted in a game.

Are you people better now? I just said the same damned thing I said earlier, but I said it in a Yay-you, Boo-US way, and that should make you so very happy that you'll want to tell all your friends about it.

Now stop being jerks.

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Jasko76
08-12-2004, 01:45 AM
Baldie,

You are wrong as well. I don't have any prejudices, I'm not hypersensitive, I love Hellcats and P-51s and will buy PF when it comes out.

BUT, I would have been more pleased with Mediterranean than Pacific. Than again, one just can't have it all in life, right?

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Freefalldart
08-12-2004, 02:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
Baldie,

You are wrong as well. I don't have any prejudices, I'm not hypersensitive, I love Hellcats and P-51s and will buy PF when it comes out.

BUT, I would have been more pleased with Mediterranean than Pacific. Than again, one just can't have it all in life, right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed.

I'll try to explain my feelings about FB-PF in a simple way...
When IL2 hit the shelves some years ago, I thought that finally a WW2 flight simulator takes care of a theater that wasn't western Europe or the Pacific. It was an opportunity of flying some different aircrafts on a different front.
FB expanded that front that was introduced in IL2 and enhanced the experience in many ways.
With AEP I felt that we were returning to the same thing as always, the western front.
PF has confirmed that tendency.
And BoB will bring the same as always, once more.

What I'm trying to say is that Maddox 1C have lost the opportunity of doing something original as they did with IL2. They have lost the opportunity of bring us a theater (Mediterranean) that is almost untouched in flight simulation, not to mention other. They'll bring us another Pacific theater combat simulation, probably the best ever, but the Pacific again.

What I expect of a good flight simmer is that she/he will play a good combat flight sim independently the front it takes care of.

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-12-2004, 03:51 AM
I agree, I owuld have rather seen the Med done instead of the pacific.

But, Oleg has said a couple of times that they will do the Med after BoB.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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1.JaVA_Razer
08-12-2004, 04:37 AM
Maybe after PF we can have a add-on that will give us Belgium, france, UK, all those other battles u named?

I am from belgium myself sdo I would love to fly G2's and others that actually flew in and over my country.

I know G2 was a bit crappy but who cares, it looks great so.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

A med sim would be VERy nice, better then PF for me :s

Pacific is a bit "overdone". I don't wanna scrap PF now that i've seen it, hell no, but i do wonder what decided it in the end.

I think ubi decided what game it would be :s
I think they said: pacific because it sells and is fun, well med is fun to but it wouldn't sell so much I think

No offence ubi, just my thoughts

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Nanuk66
08-12-2004, 04:46 AM
'Well, its great that many people are up to par on world history not just their own country's history.'

That is very true with alot of Europeans. Ive found it the other way round tbh in my large amount of time spent in the USA. Most Americans have no idea what the hell is going on outside the US in the past or the present.

However i do think alot of our knowledge of US history comes from the amount of Movies, shows and documentarys made by americans on american history that we've watched since we could turn a TV on.

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gunshy028
08-12-2004, 10:33 AM
i never knew much about the eastern front," or russian aircraft for that matter"till i downloaded the original il2 demo. since then, this has become habit forming. so i vote for seeing everything else to. i dont mean to sound stupid but I had no idea that finland and russia were enemies till i bought forgotten battles. cheers.

NorrisMcWhirter
08-12-2004, 10:49 AM
Hi,

Yep Med and N. Africa would be nice - there have been plenty of pacific yawn-fests over the years as far back as my days playing Battlehawks 1942 on the Amiga.

However, I shall enjoy carrier landings but, most of all, watching my trusty pilot ditch into the middle of the ocean only to run on the water before diving into those nice shark-infested waters...er...oh, that's FB.

The biggest potential problem I forsee with PF is bias. As Baldie ably points out, this game is going to be marketed at the US and we've already seen the effect of US planes/weapons whining for FB...Fingers crossed, though.

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Resident_Jock
08-12-2004, 01:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
Baldie,

You are wrong as well. I don't have any prejudices, I'm not hypersensitive, I love Hellcats and P-51s and will buy PF when it comes out.

BUT, I would have been more pleased with Mediterranean than Pacific. Than again, one just can't have it all in life, right?

Regards,

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Read the post you made before this and then read this one. The irony is outstanding. Apparently you're not prejudiced even though you don't like him because he (may or may not have) voted Republican? Way to go.

Anyhoo, back on topic, I am pleased to see a PTO sim coming about. Naval warfare has always been interesting to me, especially the huge carrier battles of WWII that combine the skill of a chess player and the luck of a gambler. I can't wait to see battles like Midway and Leyte Gulf portrayed. Sure, the European sims were all excellent, but after years of fighting over farmland and cities, I long for a change of scenery http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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Jasko76
08-13-2004, 12:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Resident_Jock:

Read the post you made before this and then read this one. The irony is outstanding. Apparently you're not prejudiced even though you don't like him because he (may or may not have) voted Republican? Way to go.

Anyhoo, back on topic, I am pleased to see a PTO sim coming about. Naval warfare has always been interesting to me, especially the huge carrier battles of WWII that combine the skill of a chess player and the luck of a gambler. I can't wait to see battles like Midway and Leyte Gulf portrayed. Sure, the European sims were all excellent, but after years of fighting over farmland and cities, I long for a change of scenery http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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Bah, the Republican thing was just a joke, I remember Baldie saying that he voted for Bush, and we all love to make jokes about Bush (us "Yurps" at least http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, we constantly make fun of our politicians).

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[This message was edited by Jasko76 on Fri August 13 2004 at 12:06 AM.]

WTE_Galway
08-13-2004, 12:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Yep Med and N. Africa would be nice - there have been plenty of pacific yawn-fests over the years as far back as my days playing Battlehawks 1942 on the Amiga.
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Someone said in another thread that the mediterranean (Nth Africa, Malta, Italy) is potentially the first retail upgrade for BoB

LEXX_Luthor
08-13-2004, 01:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The biggest potential problem I forsee with PF is bias. As Baldie ably points out, this game is going to be marketed at the US and we've already seen the effect of US planes/weapons whining for FB...Fingers crossed, though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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IAFS_Painter
08-13-2004, 02:04 AM
OK - I'd like to see more early-war/pre WWII types.

In my opinion, a lot of the 3rd party development comes from the US. These guys naturally concentrate on the types they know best - and can research best ... US types, and US opponents.


Yes - I'd love to have a go at modelling one of these A/C - but I can not afford to purchase the software to do the job.

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triggerhappyfin
08-13-2004, 07:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Well, from reading this thread, it seems most of you don't actually understand what it is that Fin is saying.

(Although I might have it wrong as well!!)

Basically, he is saying that the forgotten conflicts of the early war like Khalkin Gol, Operation White (invasion of Poland by Germany), the Soviet Finnish Winter War, Battle of France, Spanish Civil War, Greece campaign, etc, are the ones that he would like to see focussed on in the future, including more maps and more earlier aircraft.

I agree most definately. I would love to see the early campaigns depicted.

But I doubt it will be done on the FB engine for the simple reason that it looks like it is being done for the BoB engine. There are two projects underway right now which are possibly going to be added as one add on for the BoB engine known as Blitzkrieg. The campaigns that will be depicted are the Polish campaign 1939, and the Battle of France.

http://www.9-1939.pl/

http://www.france-simulation.com/bof/

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You seem to have got the point.

It‚¬īs nice that these battles seem to be included to BOB.

Still, it would be nice with inclusion of these scenes of war in IL-2FB/AEP/PF.

Simply because it being able to run nice and smooth on the machines of tomorrow.

As I see it, there should not be anything to prevent further addons to IL-2FB/AEP/PF simply by the release of BOB.

There are a couple of things needed - Modelers wit a faiblesse for prewar and early war aircraft. A market for these addons(money making the world go around).

The market propably allready beeing prescent - making the need of interesse from modelers needed.

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NorrisMcWhirter
08-13-2004, 07:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The biggest potential problem I forsee with PF is bias. As Baldie ably points out, this game is going to be marketed at the US and we've already seen the effect of US planes/weapons whining for FB...Fingers crossed, though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The New Concept here is that FP is made by Russians http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif
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Indeed....and marketed at non-Russians.

And, when software requirements are written, marketing usually gets together with the customer to find out what they want or they create something that they thing the vast majority of customers will want.

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triggerhappyfin
08-13-2004, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:

The New Concept here is that FP is made by Russians http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif
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Indeed....and marketed at non-Russians.

And, when software requirements are written, marketing usually gets together with the customer to find out what they want or they create something that they thing the vast majority of customers will want.
Cheers,
Norris

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A funny thing is IL-2 series mostly depict eastern front - Finnish winterwar - European
partiscipants??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Still on this forums there are a great amount of postings saying the market for this kind of products mainly is to find on US market http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif.

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PBNA-Boosher
08-13-2004, 04:58 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NaNuK66:
'Well, its great that many people are up to par on world history not just their own country's history.'

Most Americans have no idea what the hell is going on outside the US in the past or the present.
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Even though that's true, I resent that statement. Take me for example, one of my biggest study points is the Eastern front air war in WW2, especially with the female air regiments. I particularly don't like the way my teachers teach the history courses, with a few exceptions. They always neglect to teach our students about the holocaust of the American Indians, or the war of 1812. This is ignorance on the country's part.

So yeah, I don't really like the way history is taught in my high school. So I think I'll teach it myself...

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Artic_Wulf
08-13-2004, 05:11 PM
Creating Flight Sims is about making money, 1C is a company.
Its no good creating somthing that will not sell big time globally.
You go broke otherwise end of Company, I am sure non of us wants to see that happen to 1C.

Most of the Worlds population lives on the Pacific Rim!
Pacific Fighters is probably going to be an all time best seller!

S!