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TugZooey
03-25-2004, 07:14 AM
Serious question. Flying online this past weekend, I shot down an LA(i think, no icons) with a K4, only to get a "good job, killin in a n00b plane" instead of GK, or S, or whatever. I asked what he meant and he said anybody can kill in a K4.

I hopped in a Dora and shot him down shortly after that (took a little longer, but a kill none-the-less). After that a G6. Log out.

I am not a good pilot, and am a n00b as far as skill goes, but what's the deal with the K4? Is it too good? or "over modeled"? I don't really care, but would like to know when people call me a n00b for flying it.

Thanks!

TugZooey
03-25-2004, 07:14 AM
Serious question. Flying online this past weekend, I shot down an LA(i think, no icons) with a K4, only to get a "good job, killin in a n00b plane" instead of GK, or S, or whatever. I asked what he meant and he said anybody can kill in a K4.

I hopped in a Dora and shot him down shortly after that (took a little longer, but a kill none-the-less). After that a G6. Log out.

I am not a good pilot, and am a n00b as far as skill goes, but what's the deal with the K4? Is it too good? or "over modeled"? I don't really care, but would like to know when people call me a n00b for flying it.

Thanks!

Leech_
03-25-2004, 08:22 AM
K4 climbs well, but thats about it. It aint particularly easy plane to score kills.

There are always some "airheads" with problems getting shot down but dont let those provocate you.

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The_Red_Spoon
03-25-2004, 08:53 AM
The K-4 is the easiest 109 to fly (and possibly the best climbing aircraft in the sim.), so 109 veterans/snobs/whatever and anyone-who-flies-a-WS-whatever-but-hates-being-shot-down will accuse of taking the easy route.

Fair enough, but what else are you supposed to do with La-7s and Yaks all over the place?

Instead of complaining, more people should run '42 and '43 servers...

georgeo76
03-25-2004, 08:56 AM
There are no n00b planes. Some AC are designed to be easy to fly, but the K4 is not one of them.

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LEXX_Luthor
03-25-2004, 09:03 AM
Above 7km Ta is NOOB plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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F19_Gazoo
03-25-2004, 09:13 AM
This noob talk, well don´t take it serious. Some simmers are all about getting points. Just see the big fun in it even if you don´t get that points because someone stole your kill. I prefer fly J8A, and that´s not what one calls a noobplane. But I have fun in it, and it feels good if I can get a kill in it!
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ASM 1
03-25-2004, 09:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Above 7km Ta is NOOB plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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Whadya mean above 7km?!? Ta is the daddy at all alts http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif (provided you dont get slooow!) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif - Thats why I like it LOL! Roll on the 152C - THAT will be considered a noob plane I bet! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Seriously, I DO like the TA152 and tend to agree with Lex, above 7km it rocks! Had it up at 13km once, no probs.... Where others, incuding the Jets fear to tread http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif Nearly got nailed the other day against AI ACE P63 - cos I was low and (relatively slow)- managed to make him crash hehe!

I consider myself to be a bit of a noob cos in FB I flew all the so called noob planes ( noobicane, K4 and now the TA! LOL!) Also, my pilot skills arent that great, but I love this sim, and enjoy flying whatever I want. As has been said, I wouldn't let the other guy bother you.

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lbhskier37
03-25-2004, 09:36 AM
ROFLMAO he was pissed cause you in your noob plane killed his La http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Zen--
03-25-2004, 09:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by asm016:
Roll on the 152C - THAT will be considered a noob plane I bet!

Andrew<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I doubt that the C will be a noob plane...most likely it will have a lower topspeed, lower climb rate and worse acceleration than the H-1 because the C has worse powerloading.

Look for it to be in the 'Almost a BnZ fighter, Almost an E fighter and Almost a TnB fighter' graveyard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Osirisx9
03-25-2004, 09:55 AM
Screw the Jerk (La-7 pilot) ... If anything he was flying the La (AKA airfreak noob plane) Good Farking Job!!! I hope you shoot down more La-7s in the 109K... The nerve of that Guy!!!!. Salute.

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tfu_iain1
03-25-2004, 09:58 AM
crap planes are the way to go... no shame in getting shot down, people with honour will often leave you alone in their late war planes, and when you do down that 262 noob or the la7 types its real satisfaction 'learn to fly'

on that note, i really like the IAR 80 and 81c... fun plane indeed, tho not a true crap plane like the italian jobs... poor buggers, 2 pea shooter machine guns with about 10 bullets each


then again, i consider a successful mission as one i survive... i think most pilots of ww2, except the excessively keen or the aces, saw it that way. anyone read catch 22? yossarian is the true archetypal airman in my opinion 'thousands of people ive never met are trying to kill me, and you're saying this is fair?' but maybe im influenced by my great uncle, whose general opinion of being in the raf was 'i almost died on 30 separate occasions... good riddance, i was glad to get back to the shoe factory'

Z1stDan
03-25-2004, 10:00 AM
The problem with the Ki is that the damage model is not right. You can rake it in a deflection shot with all of the FW 190 A9's 30 mm cannons and unlike most planes which are ripped apart, the Ki might smoke a little and have some control problems but still be able to fly. All the Ki's that I have shot down took alot of ammo to do it and all I was able to do was cripple them enough so they would go down. Hopefully in the next patch, at least that will be corrected.

DHFS_dagger
03-25-2004, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Osirisx9:
Screw the Jerk (La-7 pilot) ... If anything he was flying the La (AKA airfreak noob plane) Good Farking Job!!! I hope you shoot down more La-7s in the 109K... The nerve of that Guy!!!!. Salute.
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i second that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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jung0l
03-25-2004, 10:19 AM
Wow, A dude flying a LA...calling K4 a noob plane... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

SeaFireLIV
03-25-2004, 10:24 AM
I had no idea flying a K-4 made anyone a noob. Maybe the G2, I flew it for the 1st time against the Spitfire a few days ago and couldn`t believe how well I did against those Spits. Even turning I could generally keep up. I thought i`d get creamed. And I NEVER normally fly LW...

Now that could be a noob plane for the Axis!

BpGemini
03-25-2004, 10:34 AM
Someone flying an La-7 calling anyone a n00b plane flier is the proverbial "Pot calling the kettle black."

The K4 is a n00b plane though.

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jung0l
03-25-2004, 10:50 AM
Cmon K4 nowhere near as noobified as La7. K4 has outstanding climb and Mk108. La has climb, turn, toughness, acceleration,and hard hitting accurate shvaks. Just about every plane in this game has an advantage or two to exploit, otherwise no one would fly them..

Mave_FI
03-25-2004, 11:00 AM
P38 is a n00b plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I like to hunt those down with my K4 in War Clouds http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
03-25-2004, 11:04 AM
K4 is far from a n00b plane the la7 can climb with it.
it doesnt turn so wel and its roll is not as good as other 109s and got crappy high speed handeling so i dont understand it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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crazyivan1970
03-25-2004, 11:04 AM
The only good thing about K4 is a climb.... other then that it`s inferior to any G models. I take G10 over K4 any day or G6/AS much more agile and almost just as fast. Will lose climb to K4...but will own it anywhere else.

Based on this observation you can call any late G model a n00b plane... simple as that hehe.

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nixon-fiend.
03-25-2004, 11:14 AM
I've identified something..

There are planes that are really bloody good.. good at speed climb, turn - you name it.

Examples.. La7, yak 3, ki 84 etc..

Well, many pilots shy away from these, either through fear of not being respected for their flying abilities "it's your plane!!" or a genuine desire to fly a more 'challenging' plane.

Only, some of these people think to frown on and scorn those who neglect to folow suit.. those who stay in there 'noob planes'.

But here's where it gets stupid.. these vet's out for a challenge sink back into the 42/43 planeset.. enough to remain competeive online.. with some skill and care. But then a 42/43 plane comes along that performs rather well and suddenly it's a noob plane too!

I make direct reference to the spitfire.

It can be totally creamed by later planes, but in the 1942/43 plane set it does quite well. ORR is alight with 'spitty is nooby' comments from these regressed vets. Like they've forgotten there's aviation after 1943.

El Turo
03-25-2004, 11:20 AM
Ditto.

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TugZooey
03-25-2004, 11:29 AM
Good to know I wasn't being a complete goof. Sounds like the opposing pilot is a bigger n00b (ahh! I hate how that word is infectious)than I am.

Too bad there isn't an a**hole filter online http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

JG27_Dacripler
03-25-2004, 12:23 PM
No, K-4 takes a fair amount of skills from take off to landing. Keep in mind this bird has an unbelievable amount of horsepower on tap which is either a winning or losing proposition. One quick burst of over-rev and you will literally spin the motor to a melted block of useless iron. It actually has improved from overheating from previous patches and actually has a decent elevator countrary to many who don't use it efectively. In the cockpit the viewing is far less than many allied fighters. Guns are a hit and miss situation, as the 108 round is unpreditable from either a wonderful explosion or a "bouncing effect"
Hate to sound redundant as this may become highjacked , however as a former allied (Yak3) flyer, they are way easier to fly. The LA-7 included. (constant prop pitch , better cockpit views , and deflection shooting which is unmatched)
I can say this with confidence that a typical K-4 driver can run in a LA-7 and perform much better than if you were to switch the circumstances from an LA-7 driver to a K-4. But for the sake of keeping this to the point of the K-4 being a noOb plane. Not at all because it take many more hours to learn the K-4 over the LA-7.
Why did I choose to go from the Axis from Allied ? Reward factor is my motivation, It took a lot of relearning and knowing the fact the 109 family IMHO. They do everything well once you take the time to learn them. P-51's (D) models are a phenominal bird to contend with up in altitude as they can stave off 109's effectively and the LA-7 can effectively handle 109's in the lower altitudes. BUT.. Numbers don't lie as I have been able to utilize a 109 in all altitudes and be effective.
109 drivers will attest to the fact their biggest fear is another good 109 driver in "most situations".

BpGemini
03-25-2004, 12:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jung0l:
Cmon K4 nowhere near as noobified as La7. K4 has outstanding climb and Mk108. La has climb, turn, toughness, acceleration,and hard hitting accurate shvaks. Just about every plane in this game has an advantage or two to exploit, otherwise no one would fly them..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wrong-O, I loved flying the P-39 in the original IL-2 because there wasn't an easy exploit. It was mediocre in just about every area.

That's what separates the men from the n00bs, the desire for a challenge.
Just saying "no one would fly them" screams that you would never understand.

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Curly_109
03-25-2004, 12:33 PM
for me p-51 is very big dissapointment (FB 1.22)...

yak-3 will be my choice of all around best fighter A/C in the game.

out of 109's family K4 is the best considering all (generally best axis fighter A/C). some say Ki i say k4 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

if this is what this topic is all about (noob plane=best performance A/C overall) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Teufel_Eldritch
03-25-2004, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TugZooey:
.....I shot down an LA(i think, no icons) with a K4, only to get a "good job, killin in a n00b plane" instead of GK, or S, or whatever. I asked what he meant and he said anybody can kill in a K4. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Noob plane? Pfft! All this noob plane talk is nothing but another way for ppl to be elitist. Fly the plane you want to fly. If he cant handle eating dirt because of you & your 'noob plane' then it is he that is the noob.

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TacticalSkirmsh
03-25-2004, 12:57 PM
Good discussion guys.

Bottom line remains the same. Understanding your own plane and understanding the enemy's plane even better. After acquiring this knowledge and applying it to tactical engagement, the strengths of any plane can be neutralized. Only flying the same plane can you truly determine the better pilot in my opinion.

With regards to the Spits that a lot of folks like and have been talking so much about (aye, she's a fine looking animal mate), in my LA-7 and Yak-3 I out turn, out climb, and out run this beast. But I agree, don't put yourself in front of her guns.

With regards to planes, a poster a while ago made a very good point with regards to realism. How many WW-2 pilots actually flew 30-50+ planes?

It is interesting that people seem to gravitate to mostly Allies or Axis plane sets.
My favs, for instance, are mostly Allies (Yak-3, La-7, Brewster, I-153 - well, if I'm forced into a bi-plane battle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif).

Outside those planes, a like most of the Amercian P series (P-39 and P-51 and maybe that new P-63, just haven't flown it much to have an opinion). I also enjoy the IL-2 and bombing in the He (and now the P-38).

It certainly takes time and a good memory, even in the less complicated constant prop planes, to remember ideal CEM and turn speeds, etc...

I guess my point being that I think we all mostly have a limited list of planes for whatever reason we like to fly, and no single plan is uber/noobish (though I continue to believe in the right hands a Yak-3 is/was the best WW-2 fighter for its time period).

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Mitlov47
03-25-2004, 01:18 PM
I am so sick of people who think that they deserve a medal just for choosing to fly a certain plane. If you've got a problem with La7s/K4s/Ki-84s, then fly in a server that doesn't allow them. Don't fly against them and then try and take some sort of moral high ground once the dogfight is over.

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BpGemini
03-25-2004, 01:28 PM
Fly what you want is a given.

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