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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:20 PM
I heard on the radio here that there was an airplane crashed, at the airshow. They didn't mention wich plane but, it was from, just after the war. It would be really sad to loose an antique airplane like that, even more so, because the aviation authorities are going to think of new and stupid "safety" rules. (dunno if they do that in england, in Holland, they do)

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:20 PM
I heard on the radio here that there was an airplane crashed, at the airshow. They didn't mention wich plane but, it was from, just after the war. It would be really sad to loose an antique airplane like that, even more so, because the aviation authorities are going to think of new and stupid "safety" rules. (dunno if they do that in england, in Holland, they do)

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:50 PM
Sad news. Here's the link from the T4T site:
http://www.nightbomber.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:55 PM
A real shame, the firefly was really rare /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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michapma
07-12-2003, 11:02 PM
Salute to Lt. Commander Murton and Rix. Their loss is a real tragedy, nevermind the Firefly.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cambridgeshire/3061391.stm

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 01:17 AM
They played some horribly closeup footage of the crash on Channel 5 (UK) tonight. On the board referenced above, someone guessed pilot error, and I'd have to go along with that. Seemed to simply run out of altitude before pulling up after some low level aerobatics. But of course we must await the outcome of the investigation, and I pay my sad respects, with everyone else, to the killed.

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 11:14 AM
michapma wrote:
- Salute to Lt. Commander Murton and Rix. Their loss
- is a real tragedy, nevermind the Firefly.
-
Ow sorry, of course. There where real people in the aircraft. My condoleances to their families! I didn't knew at first there where people killed in the crash.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 11:24 AM
I saw it in the news - very tragic to see such a beauty crashing in front of running cams./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif The reporte said something about "stalling" was the cause of the crash, but I didn't see such behaviour of the Firefly. I didn't see the manoeuvre in full lenght (I saw the second part of the manoeuvre). It seemed the Firefly came out of a loop and the pilot miscalculated the actual flown hight with the needed hight to complete his loop. The crash happened in full speed.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 11:40 AM
My respects to the 2 who lost there lives.

I do believe it was the last flying example of the firefly also and i got to see it last year at the EAA in Oshkosh



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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 11:41 AM
I saw this post on the PPRuNe forums, thought it may be of interest. I have not seen the footage myself, with the sad loss of the CAF He-111 on Friday it's not been a great weekend for the warbird community. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


"The video footage on Sky News shows the ac entering a rolling manoeuvre to the right following a fairly gentle climbing turn. At approx 120 deg of roll, the attitude is virtually level, but the nose begins to drop below the horizon at an increasing rate. In the next 60 deg of roll, the attitude becomes progressively steeper; at the inverted position it is almost 45 deg nose low. The roll to the right continues, with the roll rate decreasing markedly until the ac is pointing vertically downwards. Then, after a brief hesitation, the roll direction reverses and the ac rolls through approximately 180 deg in the vertical; in the latter stages of the roll the pitch attitude starts to reduce, although it is still in excess of 45 deg below the horizon when the roll is completed. The ac then pitches further towards the horizon with noticeable wing rock before impacting the ground in a shallow, wings level attitude at a high rate of descent.

That is a description of the video; it is NOT a comment upon the cause of the accident. That is the responsibility of the accident investigators, not armchair theorists."

fluke39
07-13-2003, 11:45 AM
yet another airshow accident - another plane gone and another two lives lost- such a shame

myself and a friend were planning to go to that airshow but didn't get it sorted in time.

as i was saying to my friend (just before we heard about the accident) it seems that almost every other airshow you hear about an accident occuring- what is going on? are airshow standards/ restoration standards slipping or what?

there was a program on discovery wings last night about the very same thing ( accidents and safety standards at air shows) i should have watched it - but watched War of the Century instead.
S! to the pilots who were lost


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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:11 PM
I have just come back from Duxford this afternoon, and saw it happen yesterday. Very sad, left everyone there feeling quite upset.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:54 PM
May the people killed rest in peace.

I feel for the families involved. Such a sad thing to happen.