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ROSHKO_69.GIAP
05-24-2004, 09:34 AM
http://web1.p15131195.pureserver.info/index.php?page=forum&action=topic&id=1533

Is this true ?

If so - I am dead against it ! It'll drive a wedge thru the online community, with seperate rooms in HL.

If they include AEP in PF - PF will come out a much stronger application, community will not be split and future patches can be enjoyed on the Eastern Front too.

If they do NOT include AEP in PF, AEP will just slowly die from attrition, and all the wonderful work on the VVS/Luftwaffe planes will be end-of-life. They won't sell any AEP of significance, so they don't stand to make much of a financial gain.

C!

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ROSHKO_69.GIAP
05-24-2004, 09:34 AM
http://web1.p15131195.pureserver.info/index.php?page=forum&action=topic&id=1533

Is this true ?

If so - I am dead against it ! It'll drive a wedge thru the online community, with seperate rooms in HL.

If they include AEP in PF - PF will come out a much stronger application, community will not be split and future patches can be enjoyed on the Eastern Front too.

If they do NOT include AEP in PF, AEP will just slowly die from attrition, and all the wonderful work on the VVS/Luftwaffe planes will be end-of-life. They won't sell any AEP of significance, so they don't stand to make much of a financial gain.

C!

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SKULLS Virga
05-24-2004, 09:59 AM
C! Hi Yanev!

Yes PF is to be released as a seperate title. I don't think it has been decided yet how compatible PF and AEP will be. There is a poll on the PF site about this.

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ROSHKO_69.GIAP
05-24-2004, 10:07 AM
Hi Virga !

Thats it - the compatability of it. The box title does not matter, but will they be compatible ?

C!

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lil_labbit
05-24-2004, 11:54 AM
It wouldn't be the first time ROSS_Yous is right...

It wouldn't be the first time UBI does something incredably stupid either...

If they WILL DO this then I for one WILL NOT BUY PF http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ... I'd stay with FB because I like the Russian planes a lot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Only time will tell - now I'm gonne vote in that poll...
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Bearcat99
05-24-2004, 03:14 PM
I have mixed emotions about it. I prefer the Western or Eastern fronts because I find flying over all the water boring. I WILL buy PF and fly it... and I will continue to fly FB either way. It would be nice but I can also see the other side.... you have guys complaining now about this FM is too poor..that FM is overmodeled..... this plane shouldn t be here.. that plane should be banned from online play etc.. etc.. etc... We dont know what types of changes Luthier ans crew will have to make to imp0lement carrier landings.. they could be small but subtle and incompatible... we dont know what pressures UBI is putting on 1C.. after all..... they ARE in the mix. I think that PF will initially split the community to a point.. but you must remember...there are a LOT of simmers who dont fly in FB simply because of the theatres involved. It is narrowminded for sure... but it is a fact. I think that the arrival of those simmers... the ones who always wanted to fly in FB but d@mn!! It doesnt have carrier landings..... shortsighted...sure but.... it happens. Those people may flock to PF. There are people who think that FB has been ruined by going west...so why should UBI pay attention to us when it comes to how they should maket thier product. We get great support...even if it a bit ..... late at times.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif at least it exists.... We have a great product here and STILL there are oeople who find room to complain... AFAIC.. PF will be on my HD.. I will remain primarily in the western front.. I just hope we get a few more western maps..... but PF will be a keeper for me and I will use both.

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JG7_Rall
05-24-2004, 03:29 PM
So you're saying that if they're sold together, the community wont be split? Even if they come as one package, there's going to be a lot of people who are simply going to play PF exclusively and some who are going to play both. If PF is sold as a seperate title, the same will happen. Some will continue to play both, while others will simply just play PF. I don't mind which way it goes as long as I don't see Yaks taking off of A/C carriers, but either way the result, IMO, will be close to the same.

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DONB3397
05-24-2004, 03:54 PM
We saw pictures/screenshots from E3 showing Lightnings and Thunderbolts. Zeroes are a core element in PF. Buffaloes and Airecobras are necessary. And all of these are already in FB/AEP.

So, stand alone or combined, many of the existing a/c will be there. If so, we may be able to import our preferred skins and other visual elements from FB/AEP. The flight models will surely borrow from the current series.

If that's so, then the basic program engine for PF must be reasonably compatible with FB/AEP.

And, since it's not practical to fly from one FB/AEP map to another today, why is a new group of maps from another part of the world any different?

I suspect stand-alone vs. integrated is a business decision, not a technical one.

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tenmmike
05-24-2004, 04:08 PM
hold the phone here guys ..pf will not be compatible at the begining but they (lutier oleg,ubi) are still to decide if a later version will bring the other plane set into pf,the comunity will be split as we are all still right here the pf groupe just has a different page, the engine is the same so all tech stufff will be the same, i was at first very opposed to pf being stand alone but i now am moving in the stand alone direction but as it stands now im getting it no matter what...as for some of you guys whining over a $30-40 usd game cost yer just nuts ,you cannot beat the bang for the buck here..you just cant do it so in conclusion.
1.yes its true it will be stand alone.
2. we still might be able to access the other plane sete down the road.
2. the comunity will not be split as we will only be a page away from each other.
3 no matter what ..still best bang for the buck you can get.

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609IAP_Recon
05-24-2004, 04:36 PM
hmm, bad move.

why do they continue to make such bad decisions?

they trying to make their customer unhappy or what?

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willyvic
05-24-2004, 05:29 PM
Having it a stand alone gives people a choice. I like that. Many are a little weary of having to continously purchase a new title just to be able to fly with the majority of users.

If it is a stand alone they have the ability to forgo purchasing PF and still enjoy the company of a large core of FB/AEP flyers.

If, at a later date, they incorporate the Eastern/Western front plane set then that would just be gravy. The finishing touch.

Make no mistake, I will undoubtedly get PF, flightsim junkie that I am. But for some it will be a refreshing change to have a choice not to buy and still continue to be able to fly with a large population on the lobby.

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BaldieJr
05-24-2004, 05:54 PM
I'm not buying unless I know that I will not need a hardware upgrade and even then, I may not buy it.

I don't want to sound whiney or disrespectfull. I'm just done with flight-sim purchases for this year. I've got AEP and DCG. What else do I really need?

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lil_labbit
05-24-2004, 08:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I'm not buying unless I know that I will not need a hardware upgrade and even then, I may not buy it.

I don't want to sound whiney or disrespectfull. I'm just done with flight-sim purchases for this year. I've got AEP and DCG. What else do I really need?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well - a carrier! - I badly want one... but NOT at the expense of loosing the Russian planes. I dont like the American ones, and that would leave me with what - the Japanese planes... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I bet the Fokkers won't be in...

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LeadSpitter_
05-25-2004, 12:39 AM
I dont want to buy PF if they are not compatible but probally will anyways. Its not the price charge 40 or 29 as ubi seems they somewhat think they can only charge a certain ammount for an addon which is BS. The ammount of work put into PF is worth 10 times more then put into the AEP addon. the ammount of work luthier and team put into it for models ground items and maps is worth 40. And if its not compatible with AEP/FB I dunno alot of us are going to stay with AEP FB. Its the principalities keeping us all in the same game and online looby with the ability to choose what theater we want to play. It dont matter addon or not or adding all planes and maps from fb into the new pf engine. Leave it up to the hosts to decide the historical missions and planeset. Variety and choice is the thing that keeps flight sims alive, look at lomac and they wonder why it did so terrible.

Will it kill AEP i dont know we have more flyable aircraft in AEP/FB then PF is coming with. I think most of the americans will stay in PF

If they dont make them compatible adding all aircraft and maps I think PF will get boring really fast with the water and islands maps.

Also the thing that bugs me is .50 cal "yes its more then effective in AEP/FB. But its accuracy at distance is wrong it disapears at 500.0 and less dispurtion. We need the ability to have staggered convergence.

Another thing is dive speed accelaration is way off, lighter aircraft are out accelarating heavy aircraft until thier breakup speed only then the heavy aircraft can pull away but bleed off thier energy extremely quick even in a slow trimmed out to level flight even with the nose trimmed down a few notches. With 2.01 it has been improved somewhat but not the dive speed accelaration just the e bleed

Basically all the USN fighters were BNZers not turn fighters which used thier quick accelaration in dives and climb as the major advantage.

It really dont make sense to seperate the comminuty with the same game engine even tho it has some tweaks for carrier landings.

Fb/AEP needs some updates to the engine as well so why not just transfer all the maps and aircraft to the pf engine. Keeping us all in the same game letting the hosts decide what theaters to fly from within one game.

It would be much more convenient for HL and online players too as well as offline players who would have to switch disks to play each different game.

Also they should throw a forum serial number so only people who buy the game can use the forums http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[This message was edited by LeadSpitter_ on Mon May 24 2004 at 11:50 PM.]

T_O_A_D
05-25-2004, 12:53 AM
Stand alone or not I'll get it. But I would prefure it to be an upgrade and have it install into AEP. For many many reasons. It would be neat to build ficticius campaigns where the Germans and the Japanese had pacific bases, against a united mixed allied setup.

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GuillermoZS
05-25-2004, 01:10 AM
I´ll buy it anyway...

I think that make a separate product of PF instead an add-on one is not stupid since there must be great changes in the code for what I´ve heard... graphics above all. If it´s so, it´s impossible both programs could be compatible...

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LEXX_Luthor
05-25-2004, 02:25 AM
FB Planes needed to be included FP...unless both games can work together ( or "compatibility")

I~153 M62 (with rockets)
I~16 type 18 (with rockets)
Po~2
SB
DB3
TB~3 M34 (but no SPB I~16 needed)

....but we need a future FP Patch to offer Flyable A5M and Flyable Ki~27. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif


When FP board opened, Luthier stated we could use all FB planes over FP maps (if we have both), and all FP planes over FB maps (if we have both)...

...this still requires the purchase of BOTH the FB and FP even if FP does not need FB to run so you don't need to buy both unless you want to mix both games together.

Historically, German Fb109s flew over Japan, three of them purchased from Germany, so there is no law of physics saying they cannot fly there from fake "realism" arguments about this.

And just about every plane ever made in WW2 flew in China, at one time or another. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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Stalker58
05-25-2004, 03:37 AM
I hate Zeros flying over Crimea...

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

Jasko76
05-25-2004, 05:06 AM
To give up this wonderful variety of planes and theatres which is Il-2 for the ability to land on carriers? I don't think so. If they're not compatible I'm not gonna bother with PF. It's not a question of money either.


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Ketalar
05-25-2004, 05:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
I dont want to buy PF if they are not compatible but probally will anyways. Its not the price charge 40 or 29 as ubi seems they somewhat think they can only charge a certain ammount for an addon which is BS. The ammount of work put into PF is worth 10 times more then put into the AEP addon. the ammount of work luthier and team put into it for models ground items and maps is worth 40. And if its not compatible with AEP/FB I dunno alot of us are going to stay with AEP FB. Its the principalities keeping us all in the same game and online looby with the ability to choose what theater we want to play. It dont matter addon or not or adding all planes and maps from fb into the new pf engine. Leave it up to the hosts to decide the historical missions and planeset. Variety and choice is the thing that keeps flight sims alive, look at lomac and they wonder why it did so terrible.

Will it kill AEP i dont know we have more flyable aircraft in AEP/FB then PF is coming with. I think most of the americans will stay in PF

If they dont make them compatible adding all aircraft and maps I think PF will get boring really fast with the water and islands maps.

...

...

...

It really dont make sense to seperate the comminuty with the same game engine even tho it has some tweaks for carrier landings.

Fb/AEP needs some updates to the engine as well so why not just transfer all the maps and aircraft to the pf engine. Keeping us all in the same game letting the hosts decide what theaters to fly from within one game.

It would be much more convenient for HL and online players too as well as offline players who would have to switch disks to play each different game.

Also they should throw a forum serial number so only people who buy the game can use the forums http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm with LS on this one (except maybe on the forum serial number issue... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ). Just include all maps and planes from IL-2:FB ACE in PF and let the mission makers and server hosts worry about what planes go where and why. The main campaign should of course be based on the Pacific front, but I would love to have the possibility to fly "full real" Pacific air battles as well as "what-if" scenarios.

Besides, since we're a small crowd they should cut us some slack instead of splitting us... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Friendly_flyer
05-25-2004, 05:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...this still requires the purchase of BOTH the FB and FP even if FP does not need FB to run so you don't need to buy both unless you want to mix both games together.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This means that for the FB crowd, the new Pacific game will really be just a paid add-on. I have no trouble with that. For the (hopefully) crowd of newbies flocking to the new game, the old FB/AEP will be just a paid add-on. With a little luck, this will swell our ranks.

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Dunkelgrun
05-25-2004, 06:01 AM
Whether you mind if PF is a stand-alone or compatible depends on what you do in FB now.
There are the historic scenario players, who do not want to see the Luftwaffe in the Pacific or the Japanese in Normandy for example, then there are what-if scenario types who would like to know how history might have been different and are prepared to use non-historic planesets with a historic slant, finally there are the (mainly online) dogfight furball junkies who don't care what they fly as they can shoot someone else down with it.

As someone who is mainly interested in historic scenarios I would really only use PF for the planes that ship with it, so don't really care if it's a stand-alone or not.
It is all the furball junkies who will be most put out if it's not compatible.

From a commercial point of view it would make more sense for it to be a standalone, as the American (& Japanese?) market will help it to pay its way whatever.

As I say, I don't really care as at the moment I'm not sure that I shall buy it. It depends exactly what it contains in the way of maps and aircraft. I still have plenty in Il-2/FB/AEP that I haven't tried yet.

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yarbles67
05-25-2004, 06:04 AM
I for one like to see a dedicated PF game if it means they'll have greater freedom to make deep code modifcations that bring a different flavor to the table. We've had 3+ years of Il2 in it's current form and it's time to move on. Regardless of what they do, you'll always have the option to play either game on HL.